Why doesn't Apple use standard M.2 SSDs like everybody else?

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  1. tubeexperience macrumors 68040

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    As the title said: Why doesn't Apple use standard M.2 SSDs like everybody else?

    I know that someone is going to say that Apple's proprietary form factor precedes M.2, but at this point M.2 is standard.
     
  2. Miltz macrumors 6502a

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    How is anyone in these forums supposed to know why Apple does certain things? You should email Apple so you can get the answer from them and share it with us.
     
  3. Kjung7 macrumors 6502

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    I think it's because Apple gets better performance out of their SSDs
     
  4. leman macrumors G3

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    I would also like to know that... but its true that they are able to get better performance than anyone else. Maybe that's part of the reason?
     
  5. argentum47 macrumors regular

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    Because vendor lock + irreplaceability = more $$
     
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    Definitely false.

    For example, Samsung 960 Pro is faster than the SSD that Apple is using.
     
  7. Kjung7 macrumors 6502

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    Sorry if I'm incorrect, but isn't that the theoretical speed of the SSD? Once plugged in are those speeds actually achievable? I'm sorry if this sounds ignorant, I just really don't know PCs too well.
     
  8. protoxx macrumors 6502a

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    $$$$$$$$ Force you to buy storage from them. Force you to buy a new motherboard if memory fails or you want to upgrade memory.
    Money, money, money
    Must be funny
    In the rich man's world
    Money, money, money
    Always sunny
    In the rich man's world
     
  9. deany macrumors 68030

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    My understanding is apple wanted the fastest SSD and I think they achieved this until recently.
    No doubt Apple are working on improvements daily.
    But having a non standard SSD also has made upgrading difficult and the soldering to the logic board more justified in their eyes.
    Apple just dont want owners tinkering with their macs, unfortunately.
     
  10. hiddenmarkov macrumors 6502a

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    basically.

    See along time ago vendors would say oh...you can't use this drive/memory, it may not work. Bad things will happen we can't guarantee. Buy our stuff only...only its known good to work. I saw worse than apple tbh....Sun microsystems (when they were still Sun, loooong before Oracle buy out) had this down cold. RAM and drive prices were horrendous.

    then at the time newish vendor like crucial (I remember when they were new, dating myself there because as my wife would jest no one else would lol...) and others came around. memory and drive configurator....we tested and we guarantee this drive/memory will work. Thus the vendor gouging was slowly taken away.


    Parts you can't pick, soldered in just to make sure the response in time.

    Or less tin foiley response would be apple when they put this out on the streets for contract, the vendor for this won the bidding wars and now you get them till the contract is done.
     
  11. Miltz macrumors 6502a

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    I don't apple engineers are sitting in a room and thinking lets create a product that can't be upgraded on purpose. Their obsession is design and performance usually leads them to seek out he best method to achieve that. Additionally based on the performance numbers the SSD in the new MacBook Pro 2016 is likely based on the Samsung 960 PRO since the performance numbers are identical with a custom controller from Apple to make it more energy efficient.
     
  12. deany macrumors 68030

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    I think it 'killed two birds with one stone'.
    Their strategic roadmap was clearly to stop owners upgrading but they wanted and still strive for the fastest SSD as well.
     
  13. protoxx macrumors 6502a

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    Those decisions are made higher up. The hardware design engineers may propose multiple options (there are always options) but those product decision are made by the bean counters dominantly.

    Bean counters run companies. Not engineers. Especially for consumer products. Bean Counter, Marketing, Engineering is that order.
     
  14. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Point of failure!

    Remove the socket take away a possible issue.

    Also slimming down devices. Add the socket and you add thickness.
     
  15. duervo macrumors 68020

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    I suspect that this has something to do with it. No socket also helps to reduce latency, although it's arguable if it would actually be noticed during routine daily use.

    I'm inclined to believe that's more of a cost-driven move as opposed to anything else.

    Proprietary technology like this helps to reduce support costs, thereby helping the company's bottom line. No need to deal with customers replacing the OEM drives or RAM modules and then bringing it in when something doesn't work right, or they broke a RAM socket or drive cable and need it fixed, etc.

    There can be a fine line to walk between going all proprietary vs. all standard. I personally believe that Apple has leaned a bit too far to the former, but not to the point yet where I'd completely walk away.
     
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    Because to they decided not too. Why dig deeper into a question that cannot be answered here. Not for nothing, but Apple has the fastest SSDs on the market, and it may be due in part to the proprietary nature.

    One thing is clear, Apple has chosen a closed/sealed computer philosophy, so why question why about one component in that sealed environment?
     
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    Heat management is another reason. It could be that off the shelf components do not give the data that Apple needs.
     
  19. Howard2k macrumors 6502a

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    If they're moving to soldered SSDs then it doesn't really matter what interface they use does it?

    Are there any benchmarks for laptops with the 960 Pro?
     
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  21. Howard2k macrumors 6502a

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    Just the non-TB 13" right?

    Total speculation on my part, but I'm guessing that the non-TB 13" and the 13" with TB came through different development tracks. I'd guess that in the next generation this feature will be gone too.
     
  22. xWhiplash macrumors 68000

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    You are correct, just like all mechanical hard drives are SATA III, yet I JUST now got one that comes close to even breaking even with SATA II.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/10754/samsung-960-pro-ssd-review/4
     
  23. BlueGoldAce macrumors 68000

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    Exactly.

    There isn't a laptop out yet, that I am aware of, that beats the MBP ssd speeds. Once this is achieve, we can gripe and claim apple is money hungry. They may very well be money hungry (they are), but at this moment their laptops achieve the best ssd speed on the market; which is one of the easiest was to see a "perceived" increase in speed.
     
  24. tubeexperience thread starter macrumors 68040

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    It comes pretty damn close.

    [​IMG]
     
  25. Howard2k macrumors 6502a

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    Which laptop is that?
     

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