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Why doesn't Apple use standard M.2 SSDs like everybody else?

Kcetech1 said:
960 pro was hard to find but available mid October in M2 format, gettin easier to get them now I find, and major stocks of them this coming week
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Were you placing order in million numbers through OEM channels directly to Samsung?
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
Users upgrading their machines while under warranty can also result in damage and increased pressure on Apple support. If you're a small company you can handle that. If you sell millions of Macs it's a headache.
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Which is small company? Dell? HP? Lenovo? Samsung?
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Miltz said:
Well like I said no one in these forums "knows" but..it's common sense that the MacBook Pro 2016 wouldn't be so thin if it used replaceable components.
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If they had terraced battery that would really fill all the space contradicting you would be difficult. But as of now what you say is nonsense.
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Miltz said:
I don't know much about this product, but I did a brief search and its definitely thicker and slower, especially the SSD. And the battery life sucks on from the few reviews I skimmed through.
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Yeah, yeah, I did the same with MBP 2016. It seems it turned out to be a disaster. Go figure these reviews. :)
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Miltz said:
There's no denying it, the MacBook Pro has had the best SSD drives in the business and now the MacBook Pro 2016 set a new bar. I commend apple on being 1 step ahead of everyone else in this regard.
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Could you go at least one post without unneccesserily praising Apple? No it did not in the previous generation and no it does not now. With Samsung SSDs it was and is pretty much on par with others in the same price segment. With Toshiba/Sandisk SSDs it was actually worse.

Not a full 1 step ahead at all. Maybe 0.25 step for 1-2 months here and there at most.
 
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duervo said:
I suspect that this has something to do with it. No socket also helps to reduce latency, although it's arguable if it would actually be noticed during routine daily use.
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No, it doesn't. There is no performance difference between a given set of wires being a socket connected to connectors, and just being direct wires.

I'm pretty sure the only actual consideration is "prevent people from upgrading later", because a lot of us would consistently buy Macs with mid-range memory and storage, then upgrade a year or two later after prices dropped. And if I can either pay Apple $1000, or someone else $500, what do you think Apple would prefer I do?
 
therealseebs said:
I'm pretty sure the only actual consideration is "prevent people from upgrading later"
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I'm sure they'd prefer that yes, however I think it's much simpler than that. I think it simply means higher level of automation, less components (i.e. no connectors in between) and easier testing of the completed logic board.

For myself personally, I would love to have an upgrade path. But when I look at average users like my dad, who is actually decently computer-savvy, will never in his life upgrade. Even if it was as simple as changing a RAM module.
 
So basically my Mid 2014 MacBook Pro can not be upgraded? Neither 950 or 960 could be installed?
 
stylinexpat said:
So basically my Mid 2014 MacBook Pro can not be upgraded? Neither 950 or 960 could be installed?
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Not with the Samsung 950 or 960 Pros. You need to get the OWC upgrade they reverse engineered, get a used Apple module from eBay, or get some 3rd party repair shop to order you a genuine Apple module.

It is pretty much the same for all 2012-2015 rMBPs. And the 2016 MBP 15" have the SSD soldered on so that is not up-gradable.
 
It is odd because now they can't buy off the shelf parts, increasing costs. It's not for performance reasons; the Samsung 960 Pro is just as fast. My only guess is so people can't buy a low-end model and then upgrade the SSD to a high-end config, cutting Apple out of the profits.
 
Miltz said:
I don't apple engineers are sitting in a room and thinking lets create a product that can't be upgraded on purpose. Their obsession is design and performance usually leads them to seek out he best method to achieve that. Additionally based on the performance numbers the SSD in the new MacBook Pro 2016 is likely based on the Samsung 960 PRO since the performance numbers are identical with a custom controller from Apple to make it more energy efficient.
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they are if that is what they are told to do. And with the 2014 Mac Mini release, it is quite obvious that is what they were told to do.
 
protoxx said:
$$$$$$$$ Force you to buy storage from them. Force you to buy a new motherboard if memory fails or you want to upgrade memory.
Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man's world
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In the rich man's world
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I enjoyed reading that while looking at your profile picture, thank you. :D
 
M.2 is a nice form factor, a compromise between size + cost, and the Samsung 960 Pro is a great part (I have one on my PC). But Apple never compromises -- when you're the best, you have the best margins, and you can afford to design your own one-off solutions. Incremental advantage at the expense of engineering cost.
 
jerryk said:
Considerably smaller and reduces a connection and screw that can fail over time.
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My point is that it doesnt matter if its proprietary or not because its soldered so really there must be some tangible benefit to using their iwn controller. Soldering already does what most reasonings in this topic says
 
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