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Why everyone thinks iOS 9 will make things better?

Max(IT) said:
No one? I firmly deny that! In my opinion iOS 8 is the best iOS ever. IOS 8 is what iOS 7 should have been since the beginning.
It's not perfect. It does have glitches. But it still is the best iOS so far, with a lot of new functions and improvements compared to previous versions.
Do you know why they changed the UI ? Because they changed people in charge for it, Scott Forestall first.
And I'm glad about that, because I wasn't an huge fan of skeuomorphism.
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I'm one of the few who liked the skeumorphism. Sure, sometimes it went over board (original podcast app UI), but I generally preferred it. Higher resolution screens yet we dumb down the detail.

Forstall's problems ran much deeper than skeu' and he needed to go- I agree.

We all know Ive hates skeu'.
 
Armen said:
People will just keep buying iPhones. the only "wising" up you may see is a handful of people going to Android only to realize the grass isn't greener on the other side.
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Green? Sheesh .... :rolleyes:
I use both and say what you want, my G3 has become my "go to" device not because it is significantly better, rather I can rely on it working. I'm tired of the little bugs (plus a couple of biggies) that make using my 6+ a chore. As a work phone, I'm stuck with it for this year. Next year I can change. I would hope that Apple rolls out iOS9 and it "just works". That would be a novel change after the last couple of iOS versions. But a very hoped for and welcome change.
 
Rhonindk said:
Green? Sheesh .... :rolleyes:
I use both and say what you want, my G3 has become my "go to" device not because it is significantly better, rather I can rely on it working. I'm tired of the little bugs (plus a couple of biggies) that make using my 6+ a chore. As a work phone, I'm stuck with it for this year. Next year I can change. I would hope that Apple rolls out iOS9 and it "just works". That would be a novel change after the last couple of iOS versions. But a very hoped for and welcome change.
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I'm curious as to what bugs you are so tired of that you have a "go to" device. I just find it odd because I know of at least 5-6 people personally that have a 6+ like I do and they are all happy with their phones.

Of course they all feel like I do that Apple should do more UI changes specific to the 6+ to take advantage of the screen real estate.
 
cmichaelb said:
I'm one of the few who liked the skeumorphism. Sure, sometimes it went over board (original podcast app UI), but I generally preferred it. Higher resolution screens yet we dumb down the detail.

Forstall's problems ran much deeper than skeu' and he needed to go- I agree.

We all know Ive hates skeu'.
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I remember the podcast app. That went way too far...lol.
I miss some elements of older iOS releases. I miss the old Notes app. I felt it was perfect as designed.
The old game center... it felt like it was designed by gamblers.

I'm not against skeumorphism. I don't like the extremes, like the podcast app.
 
duffman9000 said:
I remember the podcast app. That went way too far...lol.
I miss some elements of older iOS releases. I miss the old Notes app. I felt it was perfect as designed.
The old game center... it felt like it was designed by gamblers.

I'm not against skeumorphism. I don't like the extremes, like the podcast app.
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I mean, I liked the reel to reel idea, and how the tape would actually appear to transition from one reel to the next but not at the cost of a functioning app. lol.

lol @ game center - yes it did have that casino feel.

Oh I couldn't agree more about the notes app. I never use the new one. I use Notability now.
 
MarcusCarpenter said:
Isn't ios 9 supposed to bring amazing stability improvements etc # I bet everyone still moans
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Stability improvements and performance improvements mean changing/removing a lot of code underhood, hence probably the update will break existing apps or features. But despite all these, iOS really needs a major cleanup. It gets way too clunky over the recent years.

Heck, Snow Leopard, although pitched at having "No new features" and a "better Leopard" had bugs that caused data loss during its early public releases and did not get stable enough until 10.6.4.

So yes - people will complain. No matter what.
 
vista980622 said:
Stability improvements and performance improvements mean changing/removing a lot of code underhood, hence probably the update will break existing apps or features. But despite all these, iOS really needs a major cleanup. It gets way too clunky over the recent years.

Heck, Snow Leopard, although pitched at having "No new features" and a "better Leopard" had bugs that caused data loss during its early public releases and did not get stable enough until 10.6.4.

So yes - people will complain. No matter what.
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Of course, I've never really had issues running the latest iOS and OS X releases only when running Beta versions but i guess Apple can't please everyone
 
vista980622 said:
Stability improvements and performance improvements mean changing/removing a lot of code underhood, hence probably the update will break existing apps or features. But despite all these, iOS really needs a major cleanup. It gets way too clunky over the recent years.

Heck, Snow Leopard, although pitched at having "No new features" and a "better Leopard" had bugs that caused data loss during its early public releases and did not get stable enough until 10.6.4.

So yes - people will complain. No matter what.
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It would help if Apple would just break free from all the legacy code and just REDESIGN iOS from the ground up and make it 64 bit only. But they can't because they decided to sell outdated hardware instead of thinking ahead. They should have cutoff 32 bit iOS with the A6 and made iOS 7 run on 64 bit hardware only.
 
Rodster said:
It would help if Apple would just break free from all the legacy code and just REDESIGN iOS from the ground up and make it 64 bit only. But they can't because they decided to sell outdated hardware instead of thinking ahead. They should have cutoff 32 bit iOS with the A6 and made iOS 7 run on 64 bit hardware only.
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Yeah, that would have totally worked for people with iPhone 5 and new 5c that would basically be cut off without any upgrades.
 
C DM said:
Yeah, that would have totally worked for people with iPhone 5 and new 5c that would basically be cut off without any upgrades.
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What Apple should have done was to move all their iDevices to 64 bit CPU/GPU. They are still selling a mix of both. It's the same problem with Microsoft's Windows. It's also layered with old outdated legacy code. They should have launched a new OS with 64 bit requirement and deleted all the old 32 bit code.

Apple has the money to start over. Unfortunately as they continue to sell outdated hardware it makes it harder for them to start from scratch.
 
Rodster said:
What Apple should have done was to move all their iDevices to 64 bit CPU/GPU. They are still selling a mix of both. It's the same problem with Microsoft's Windows. It's also layered with old outdated legacy code. They should have launched a new OS with 64 bit requirement and deleted all the old 32 bit code.

Apple has the money to do the same. Unfortunately as they continue to sell outdated hardware it makes it harder for them to start from scratch.
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It makes less sense for them to cut off people and not sell some older hardware than to do a huge change just like that just cutting things off. It might make some logical sense perhaps, mainly from technical point of view, but reality is based on so much more than just that.
 
C DM said:
It makes less sense for them to cut off people and not sell some older hardware than to do a huge change just like that just cutting things off. It might make some logical sense perhaps, mainly from technical point of view, but reality is based on so much more than just that.
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Sure and that's why iOS will continue to become more and more bloated with each version. My iPad 3 running iOS 5 shuts down within 2 seconds. iOS 7 takes around 15-25 seconds to shutdown both with no apps running in the background.

Starting over would allow the software design team to layout a plan and reduce the amount of bugs by eliminating older hardware.
 
Here is my 2c

Over the past few years, Samsung/Android was right on their tail. Apple was almost forced to add features to keep up, software wise with Android. They grew faster than they could handle it.

With the software racing slowing down, they are able to better deliver and refine their existing OS. If you look at all software from the iPhone 4 to now, we got a pletora of features every year.
 
Crzyrio said:
Here is my 2c

Over the past few years, Samsung/Android was right on their tail. Apple was almost forced to add features to keep up, software wise with Android. They grew faster than they could handle it.

With the software racing slowing down, they are able to better deliver and refine their existing OS. If you look at all software from the iPhone 4 to now, we got a pletora of features every year.
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iOS 5 and 8 are the only big feature updates. Definitely not iOS 6 and 7 was mostly design.
 
oldmacs said:
I think they've realised that people aren't going to keep buying their devices if Apple cripples them. There are many many unhappy people with iOS 8.
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I agree with this. While there is some incentive for Apple to artificially hold back new features and reserve them for newer devices, there is little incentive to hinder performance because it hurts their brand image.

It's embarrassing right now. I know this is an edge case, but at the iPad 3 release Apple commented "iPad is known for it's fluid graphics performance." Apple was known for speed and fluidity. The fact that Apple's still selling devices with 2011 and 2012 chipsets is bad enough. If the general consumers walks into an Apple store and buys an iPhone 5C today and iOS 9 ruins performance on it in 6 months they will have the impression "Apple sucks" and will not buy another devices. If enough consumers get burned and word of mouth spread fast enough Apple could have a huge problem.

My iPod Touch 4 maintained decent speed iOS 4 -> iOS 5 - iOS 6 (a little slow)
My iPhone 4S and iPad 3 lost no speed going from iOS 5 to iOS 6.

iOS 7 brought notice slowdowns to these devices. I think part of that was bad programing (which was partially fixed in the iOS 7.1 update) and part of it was honestly the ridiculous amount of graphics overhead that iOS 7 brought with it's translucency. I had expected iOS 8 to rectify iOS 7's issues, but they made them dramatically worse while also making iOS dramatically more powerful. iOS 8 was a big change for the better, but it was released too fast and wasn't ready. The annual iOS updates (and OS X for that matter) create the potential for major new features to not be ready yet, but released anyway because if an iPhone is released without a new iOS the world will crumble.

The current state of their software is mediocre in many ways. My iPad 3 and iPhone 4S had no lag on their native OS. My iPhone 6 stutters from time to time. There are still bugs (mostly minor) that I experience on a daily basis. My hope is that iOS 9 will not introduce major new features, but enhancements on existing ones and performance improvements. One performance issue that simply amazes me are when you open apps that I suppose have been refreshed from memory and you get a static screen of what it looked like for several seconds before it actually loads. It's much worse on my iPad 3, but happens occasionally on the iPhone 6. For example, I open the must app and it shows the album art of a song I played yesterday for about 5 seconds before it fades to my album list. Why?

Apple doesn't have to introduce "AMAZING" new features to make a great new iOS. Just enhance existing apps. For example:
  • Access to the document picker in the Mail app
  • Increase document picker performance (it's so slow to open)
  • iCloud Drive app
  • Album art view for iPad Music app like in iOS 6: right now it's a stretched out phone app
  • Better app switcher for iPad:why does it show the same amount of info on a 9.7" screen than on a 3.5" or 4.7" screen?
  • Display both the today tab and Notification tab at the same time when the iPad is in landscape mode in notification center.
  • Allow landscape mode on iPhone 6: don't rearrange apps, just allow apps to rotate 90 degrees.
  • iOS Dark Mode: I like the dark translucency of NC, lets have more of that.
  • Customizable Control Center shortcuts: I never use the timer, let me change it to alarm clock. Also, I never use "Do Not Disturb," let me replace that with personal hotspot.
  • Fix location based Reminders that sometimes do not alert you.
  • Fix the "A problem occurred and the page was reloaded" issue in Safari. Never had this issue on any device until iOS 8.
  • Remove that "Tips" app.
 
Rodster said:
Sure and that's why iOS will continue to become more and more bloated with each version. My iPad 3 running iOS 5 shuts down within 2 seconds. iOS 7 takes around 15-25 seconds to shutdown both with no apps running in the background.

Starting over would allow the software design team to layout a plan and reduce the amount of bugs by eliminating older hardware.
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That's certainly a theory as to why that might be the case, but it's not really a given simple because one can find ways to connect one with the other.
 
Traverse said:
I agree with this. While there is some incentive for Apple to artificially hold back new features and reserve them for newer devices, there is little incentive to hinder performance because it hurts their brand image.

It's embarrassing right now. I know this is an edge case, but at the iPad 3 release Apple commented "iPad is known for it's fluid graphics performance." Apple was known for speed and fluidity. The fact that Apple's still selling devices with 2011 and 2012 chipsets is bad enough. If the general consumers walks into an Apple store and buys an iPhone 5C today and iOS 9 ruins performance on it in 6 months they will have the impression "Apple sucks" and will not buy another devices. If enough consumers get burned and word of mouth spread fast enough Apple could have a huge problem.

My iPod Touch 4 maintained decent speed iOS 4 -> iOS 5 - iOS 6 (a little slow)
My iPhone 4S and iPad 3 lost no speed going from iOS 5 to iOS 6.

iOS 7 brought notice slowdowns to these devices. I think part of that was bad programing (which was partially fixed in the iOS 7.1 update) and part of it was honestly the ridiculous amount of graphics overhead that iOS 7 brought with it's translucency. I had expected iOS 8 to rectify iOS 7's issues, but they made them dramatically worse while also making iOS dramatically more powerful. iOS 8 was a big change for the better, but it was released too fast and wasn't ready. The annual iOS updates (and OS X for that matter) create the potential for major new features to not be ready yet, but released anyway because if an iPhone is released without a new iOS the world will crumble.

The current state of their software is mediocre in many ways. My iPad 3 and iPhone 4S had no lag on their native OS. My iPhone 6 stutters from time to time. There are still bugs (mostly minor) that I experience on a daily basis. My hope is that iOS 9 will not introduce major new features, but enhancements on existing ones and performance improvements. One performance issue that simply amazes me are when you open apps that I suppose have been refreshed from memory and you get a static screen of what it looked like for several seconds before it actually loads. It's much worse on my iPad 3, but happens occasionally on the iPhone 6. For example, I open the must app and it shows the album art of a song I played yesterday for about 5 seconds before it fades to my album list. Why?

Apple doesn't have to introduce "AMAZING" new features to make a great new iOS. Just enhance existing apps. For example:
  • Access to the document picker in the Mail app
  • Increase document picker performance (it's so slow to open)
  • iCloud Drive app
  • Album art view for iPad Music app like in iOS 6: right now it's a stretched out phone app
  • Better app switcher for iPad:why does it show the same amount of info on a 9.7" screen than on a 3.5" or 4.7" screen?
  • Display both the today tab and Notification tab at the same time when the iPad is in landscape mode in notification center.
  • Allow landscape mode on iPhone 6: don't rearrange apps, just allow apps to rotate 90 degrees.
  • iOS Dark Mode: I like the dark translucency of NC, lets have more of that.
  • Customizable Control Center shortcuts: I never use the timer, let me change it to alarm clock. Also, I never use "Do Not Disturb," let me replace that with personal hotspot.
  • Fix location based Reminders that sometimes do not alert you.
  • Fix the "A problem occurred and the page was reloaded" issue in Safari. Never had this issue on any device until iOS 8.
  • Remove that "Tips" app.
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iOS 6 was superior to iOS 8 in every way...if you remember, despite the anti-skewomorphism buzz (that was created in part by a faction at Apple that wanted to justify a redisign of iOS, but only helped android), iOS 6 was considered to have a far superior and more elegant design than android back then. Not anymore...currently it is debatable at most if iOS 7/8 has a better design than android.

iOS has lost it's magic, and now has to fight for a place among common mortal OSs ;)
 
El Tuga said:
currently it is debatable at most if iOS 7/8 has a better design than android.
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I actually prefer Lollipop over the design of iOS7/8. I have yet to encounter Chrome disappearing on me like it does on iOS when Safari crashes. Speed wise. they are both about the same. To get the most fluid experience from Lollipop you need current hardware.

My Nexus 4 runs Lollipop great so does my LG Pad 8.3 GPE but there are times where the LG Pad struggles wrt smoothness.
 
Rodster said:
I actually prefer Lollipop over the design of iOS7/8. I have yet to encounter Chrome disappearing on me like it does on iOS when Safari crashes. Speed wise. they are both about the same. To get the most fluid experience from Lollipop you need current hardware.

My Nexus 4 runs Lollipop great so does my LG Pad 8.3 GPE but there are times where the LG Pad struggles wrt smoothness.
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Apple went too far with flat.

A little depth, some shadow, and some texture goes a long way. The Reminders app maintained texture.
 
C DM said:
That's certainly a theory as to why that might be the case, but it's not really a given simple because one can find ways to connect one with the other.
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Of course but there's no denying that with each version of iOS it can bog down even the latest hardware. My original Air struggled in certain areas running iOS 7. Why? That shouldn't be the case since both were released at the same time.

At some point software becomes too big and bloated and requires a massive cleanup or start over. Windows did that with Windows NT back in the 90's. Since then Microsoft has piled onto that code. Thankfully they addressed that with Windows 7.

Apple really needs a rethink on how it approaches it's iDevice lineup wrt matching it's OS to it's hardware.

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Traverse said:
Apple went too far with flat.

A little depth, some shadow, and some texture goes a long way. The Reminders app maintained texture.
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I tend to agree although I prefer the look of Yosemite over previous versions of OS X and I go way back to the very first edition of OS X on my Snow iMac in 2002.
 
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