I didn't mention iOS. I said mobile devices, the vast majority of which can not view flash web sites.
As for companies changing their sites due to the iPhone/iPad, tens of thousands have done that already. Where have you been?
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Why Flash Is Crucial To Future iPad Dominance
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I didn't mention iOS. I said mobile devices, the vast majority of which can not view flash web sites.
As for companies changing their sites due to the iPhone/iPad, tens of thousands have done that already. Where have you been?
Yes, I know it's really fashionable to bad mouth Apple's CEO and founder Steve Jobs, but you kids don't know what you're talking about.
Business decisions made because of "ego"? He's a "giant douche"??? I might say the same thing about some of you.
What exactly have you guys ever achieved or created? My guess would be absolutely nothing, yet you feel your opinion should be taken seriously regarding whether the most successful CEO in the history of mankind should be replaced? Get real.
Business decisions made because of "ego"? He's a "giant douche"??? I might say the same thing about some of you.
What exactly have you guys ever achieved or created? My guess would be absolutely nothing, yet you feel your opinion should be taken seriously regarding whether the most successful CEO in the history of mankind should be replaced? Get real.
Amen. Take it to Androidrumors. And pray that someone actually ships an android tablet that runs flash. Still hasn't happened.
I just visited http://www.newsobserver.com/ and they have a plain website in both regular HTML and mobile HTML. Is there another Flash-specific site or was that a wrong site?
edit: I just checked, and ah Ok, so they use a third party to deliver a "full e-edition" as an option. They have a regular mobile website just like everyone else. It's just that they are trying to provide a premium service made by another company. I've just tried the sample Flash "e-edition" on my phone and the performance is almost atrocious. I'm not sure if it'll be that pleasant to use even on the latest tablets, assuming they get Flash. If anything, that e-edition makes a great argument as to why they shouldn't use Flash to deliver a one-fits-all cross platform solution.
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The AppStore is crucial to the future dominance of the iPad/iPhone. Currently Apple holds an estimated 83% of all mobile application revenues in 2010 (link). People buy these devices for the apps, make no mistake about it.
If Android or Blackberry start to take a dent out of iPad sales, it won't be because of Flash but because the aforementioned companies will close the gap Apple currently enjoys with their AppStore.
If Android or Blackberry start to take a dent out of iPad sales, it won't be because of Flash but because the aforementioned companies will close the gap Apple currently enjoys with their AppStore.
Get off the iPad needs flash campaign. It is not a computer, it is a tablet. The iPad supports the video formats that are needed for light, quick browsing. Heck the Xoom doesn't even have flash cause it's not ready for it to be optimized yet. If you start making a tablet or phone out of separate software pieces by multiple companies you're going to have Android fanboys' favorite word, FRAGMENTATION.
You think android runs flash? Ask the thousands and thousands of owners of android devices who don't even have froyo (no froyo no flash) running and they're already on gingerbread and talking about ice cream.
Flash is not a problem. It's the last bit of hype against apple. Next week the Xoom loses it's last bit of ground with saying they a camera and the iPad doesn't, so if you have something truly against Apple not using flash then you're just living in the past.
You think android runs flash? Ask the thousands and thousands of owners of android devices who don't even have froyo (no froyo no flash) running and they're already on gingerbread and talking about ice cream.
Flash is not a problem. It's the last bit of hype against apple. Next week the Xoom loses it's last bit of ground with saying they a camera and the iPad doesn't, so if you have something truly against Apple not using flash then you're just living in the past.
Flash has nothing to do with whether its a computer or not, and for the record tablets are computers; thats' like saying my Droid X shouldn't have Flash because its a phone. .Fragmentation is an Android-hater word, not an Android-fanboy word.
And there are plenty that do run Flash.
Nope, next week the Xoom will still run Flash in a week or two and the iPad won't. Oh, and it still has a free hardware upgrade to 4G. That's living in the future, not the past.
That's actually the gist of the problem. That Flash, especially in its current incarnation as existing in numerous apps is just not that suitable for mobile touch-based devices.
None of them does it all that well. Just in this thread some people mentioned a few sites that rely on Flash and they both run awfully on my Froyo phone.
Flash works fine if the site is designed with the proper functions. The most recent build of Mobile flash already sorted out scrolling vs panning issues. Most of the problems with navigating Flash sites come from the way they were coded, not because Flash is bad.
My DroidX does fine on most regular Flash sites. using some super complex, resource heavy site as an example of Flash not working is a backhanded way to win an argument. Its like complaining that computers aren't good for gaming because you used a laptop with a shared video card to run Crysis.
I don't see Apple shaking in their boots over the lack of Flash threatening their position as the Tablet market leader.
I would guess that Steve Jobs and his successor have more native intelligence, market savvy, etc than the OP. Jobs has lead the turnaround of a business that was on life support into the #1 business in terms of capitalization. I hardly think he needs your opinions or advice. When you dream up the next iPod, iPad or any one of the other innovations that Steve brought to market call us. Oh yeah, whoever heard of an App Store before Apple introduced it?
BTW, do you see any lines around Verizon stores for the Xoom?
Your post is pure drivel and utter horse feces!
I would guess that Steve Jobs and his successor have more native intelligence, market savvy, etc than the OP. Jobs has lead the turnaround of a business that was on life support into the #1 business in terms of capitalization. I hardly think he needs your opinions or advice. When you dream up the next iPod, iPad or any one of the other innovations that Steve brought to market call us. Oh yeah, whoever heard of an App Store before Apple introduced it?
BTW, do you see any lines around Verizon stores for the Xoom?
Your post is pure drivel and utter horse feces!
VCast.
Every dumbphone I've owned has had the ability to purchase little games for it on the phone.
Already started. Last June to be precise. Flash is dying a slow death in the mobile arena.
Wow do you have ZERO clue on what you are talking about. Please go troll elsewhere.
First off, flash is dying. Adobe went downhill the second they bought out Macromedia, their main competition. I've been using Adobe products for I can't even remember how long and I've watch the quality slip away as soon as Macromedia was acquired. With no competition they don't feel the need to compete.
If you believe that stagnate old web standards are the future then please sit there and keep it to yourself. Its already proven that HTML 5 and technologies like Microsoft Silverlight are lightyears ahead of flash. If you don't believe me then go dig through some SDK's and then compare whats available to flash.
Truth is, Adobe doesn't want to re-write flash to take advantage of newer technologies.
Haha! Good read!
But at least RIM will support flash, so clearly they will be a major player in this space. /sarcasm.
Does anyone else see this post as absolutely dripping with irony? Your 'consumer experience' is better without Flash. Do you like your apps constantly crashing? What about your browser experience being reminiscent of a dial-up connection?
I'm going to assume that every mobile device user who wants Flash is either on an iPhone, or actually has the Flash plug-in turned off on their Android device. There are a few power users who love Flash, for some reason.
I've gotten a Droid Incredible and DROID X. Flash is horrible. It kills battery, is hard to interface with, is slow, is a memory hog, buggy, and basically takes away the ability to multitask (it consumes memory to the point that other apps begin to crash frequently).
A new technology doesn't need to embrace a dying standard. Flash is dying; it will be slow, and it may cause a little discomfort for the users whose platform doesn't use it. It doesn't matter; Android can provide Flash a way to 'survive' in the mobile space, but it won't thrive. Developers will publish games in an App Store, where they can make some actual revenue. Video will be posted to subscription-based services, such as Netflix, Hulu, or Youtube (all of which are either moving away from Flash dependency, or have never relied on it). Ads will go HTML5, and some may remain as Flash. Flash was taken from simply an animation tool to provide support for games, video, and intense Flash ads.
I'm sorry, but Adobe has known that Flash was behind the technological curve for years. They should have totally revamped it, and it seems much to late now.
Haha yes. This is probably the biggest limitation I have seen with no flash. I dont care on the phone as I need a bigger screen to see the skin lol. Those webcam sites you probably cant do either and Apple wont let the porn in the app store. If this is your big reason to not get an iPad, fair play. Maybe Xoom can market it self as the greatest multi-touch jerk off device. Personally I think the porn sites will catch up quickly. But yeah other than that, what cant an iOS device do???
The majority is going to change within the next few years. Android, Blackberry tablet, WebOS and sooner or later, Windows Phone 7, will all be able to run Flash. They'll also be able to run HTML5 apps.
So we go back to something we brought up a while back: a lot could depend on which has the best and cheapest development platform tools. If Jobs was really into HTML5 (and not just anti-Adobe) he could put some effort into an HTML5 authoring tool.
Yes, they have, and many optimized their sites only for the iPhone, which is simply another type of web format discrimination, same as having sites that only work with Flash.
Unfortunately, those are global legacy authoring problems.
HTML, in numerous current web pages, has _exactly_ the same problems with touch based or mobile devices.... sometimes even more.
Doesn't matter if it's done with Flash, HTML5, or crayons. If the developer doesn't take every type of device into account, they can suffer problems.
Adobe bought Flash only about five years ago. As soon as they could, they DID begin optimizing for mobile, then starting on a massive rewrite with the help of ARM design teams.
Likewise, HTML browsers and standards were behind the curve for many more years. It's taken even longer for it to begin catching up.
Then either they have failed, or their progress was rushed in order to respond to Apple and try to prove that Flash does have a place in the mobile world.
No you are wrong on this. There is no "optimizing for mobile". Adobe told everyone they were doing it but have you ever used this "optimized" version? Its far from optimized. Use a droid once and see how bad flash is on it. The problem is Adobe doesn't want to re-write flash. They let flash stagnate after buying out Macromedia because without competition, why feel the need to innovate?
As for HTML being years behind which version are you talking about? HTML5 has many features that flash doesn't, not to mention that even Adobe has been working on creating HTML5 authoring tools. I believe it was back in October when a public preview was shown of their HTML5 authoring tools.
I don't know why so many people have a hard time accepting flash is trash and that new web standards have been needed for a long time. Anyone who likes flash obviously never had the displeasure of developing in it.