Why hasn't Apple released new Macbook Pro before school starts?

[phillyfan9090]

i know you can buy a used 2012 15" retina for like $1600.. but does anyone know where I can find a refurbished 2013 15" for a good price (under $2,000)

I'm either getting MBP 13" Retina upgrade to i7 or 15" base model retina

 

[Quu]

They're probably waiting for Falcon Ridge (Thunderbolt 2 controller), or Intel's "special high-end Haswell processors", or most likely both.

I think the MacBook Air is mainly what Apple tries to sell to students anyway. Judging by what you ask (Haswell, no more than $2000, no lag), you've pretty much eliminated everything but the MBA anyway, at least until Mavericks comes to fix the 13" rMBP's lag.

I think the same. That Thunderbolt 2 controller is my bet.

 

[pgiguere1]

i know you can buy a used 2012 15" retina for like $1600.. but does anyone know where I can find a refurbished 2013 15" for a good price (under $2,000)

I'm either getting MBP 13" Retina upgrade to i7 or 15" base model retina

You can't get a 2013 15" rMBP, but the 2012 model is almost identical anyway (the only difference is a 0.1GHz faster CPU). I'd personally get that if you don't think the 15" form factor is too big. The CPU is going to be a lot faster than on the 13" (even the i7 model), plus you get much better graphics for gaming.

 

[john123]

Getting ANY Apple first generation ANYTHING is a I-Got-No-Brainer. Especially for that kind of money

Respectfully...you're crazy. The problems that affect first generation products--and I've owned plenty of them--are usually minor. Anything that crosses into major territory has generous warranty replacement policies (e.g., rMBP screens). And often, it's not a majority of machines that are affected. A lot of stuff in minor territory gets fixed via software or firmware patches. In neither case are we talking about a major headache or hassle.

To each his own, but for someone like me who's technically resourceful, the joy of owning something new far, far, far outweighs whatever tiny growing pains might (but do not necessarily) come with it.

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You can't get a 2013 15" rMBP, but the 2012 model is almost identical anyway (the only difference is a 0.1GHz faster CPU). I'd personally get that if you don't think the 15" form factor is too big. The CPU is going to be a lot faster than on the 13" (even the i7 model), plus you get much better graphics for gaming.

^^ This. I'll also add that if you're worried about the screens, a lot of them are in good shape. The refurb I got has a Samsung screen. And I never checked the manufacturer on the "new" one I bought last July, but it didn't have image retention problems either.

 

[iphoneZ]

just get an air. save your back the extra weight of lugging a pro around.

 

[bhayes444]

I also highly endorse the 2012 15" refurb. Like it was stated before: the difference between it and the 2013 15" is extremely minor. If you wait for the 13" to get refreshed it will have a much better iGPU than the old 13" did, but will still be less powerful than the 2012 15". Sure it should be receiving a PCIe SSD and WiFi AC, and a slight battery life bump because of haswell, but you get a much more powerful machine with the 15". In many ways Apple has higher QC standards on their refurbished machines than the ones going out, because they do not want that same machine coming back in for repairs a second time

Also, unless they up the entry level SSD for the 13" you will end up paying more to get a 256GB in the 13" than just going with the refurb 15"; unless you factor in the education discount which will make both machines $1599. To me it's an easy choice.

 

[lagisibuk]

from business overview..

I want u buy a "old model", so i will get money and closing old model and then when I'm release new model, u will buy or upgrade new version and I will get money again

it's a normal...

 

[thundersteele]

i know you can buy a used 2012 15" retina for like $1600.. but does anyone know where I can find a refurbished 2013 15" for a good price (under $2,000)

I'm either getting MBP 13" Retina upgrade to i7 or 15" base model retina

Apple refurbished store. The cheapest 15'' retina is $1599. They are not always in stock though.

Some people were lucky in the last few weeks with closeout sales and open box deals at some retailers. But it's hard to find exactly what you are looking for.

 

[Zeov]

They have a reason, and it's not to piss you off.

 

[throAU]

cuz pro is for pro's, air is for newbies like me and u

Pretty much that. The MBA is what they are aiming at students. And that was just released.

 

[Mr MM]

For me its simple:

1) CPU availability, the ones that apple will use were paper launched and now intel is finally delivering them, see clevo w740su, and the recent event by intel in england

2) Probable constrain issues on the new SSDs, only apple is actually using those now, there is vaio pro, but I dont know if they are using the standard (m2/NGFF) or a custom one, that makes 3 models in the entire range of pcs.

3) Possible TB2 implementation, Im not even sure that they are going to use it

4) Changes in panel maker? they are making use of sharp now and a lot of people are getting in line to get those displays

5) to frustrate people, this I think is the main reason

 

[adjeff8]

So the millions of people who bought the first gen iPhone had no brain? What about the first gen iPod that dominated the portable music player market? The people that bought those must be brainless as well. Just cause you like to wait for a refresh, doesn't make you smarter than all the early adpoters. That's your decision.

Perhaps the no brain comment was harsh. I was making a pun. But yes, the first generation iPhone was little more than a beta. It was pretty horrible compared to later releases. Remember how bad that camera was? Glad I didn't buy it. Same can be said for the fist iPad. HORRIBLE. I waited for the iPad 3. So glad that I did. And those products were cheap compared to the price of a MBP. No way in hell am I going to be their guinae pig for that price. That's why I am waiting for the 2nd generation. Wish I could wait for the 3rd but I cant

 

[tgi]

Perhaps the no brain comment was harsh. I was making a pun. But yes, the first generation iPhone was little more than a beta. It was pretty horrible compared to later releases. Remember how bad that camera was? Glad I didn't buy it. Same can be said for the fist iPad. HORRIBLE. I waited for the iPad 3. So glad that I did. And those products were cheap compared to the price of a MBP. No way in hell am I going to be their guinae pig for that price. That's why I am waiting for the 2nd generation. Wish I could wait for the 3rd but I cant

I understand your logic but still think it's nonsense. Of course later releases of something are going to be better than previous generations. I'm talking about using the product when it's FIRST launched.

What compared to an iPhone or iPad when they first came out? Nothing.

I can sit here and wait for iPhone 27 and say "I'm glad I didn't get the first 26 iPhones, this one is soo much better!" What fun would that be?

 

[Interstella5555]

Let me guess, your main uses are:
Writing papers
Watching youtube
Facebook
listening to music
browsing the web

I can sell you my 2006 MBP, it's more powerful than what you need but will save you about $2k.

 

[dejo]

Dont schools normally start after Labor day.

not college

In the U.S., plenty of schools start in mid-to-late August. Of course, they don't go until the end of June anymore either.

 

[phillyfan9090]

In the U.S., plenty of schools start in mid-to-late August. Of course, they don't go until the end of June anymore either.

which is why Apple should've released the new Macbook Pro now. They will lose all of the students audience if they wait until october. by that point, everyone has laptops. Theres no excuse from Apple or Intel to not be ready with this product. its been over a year since the last model came out

 

[hakr100]

The MBA and the MBP are getting more and more similar. I wonder if the upcoming iteration of the MBP will be the last, followed by an expansion of the MBA line to include a 15" model, with a wider range of processors and options.

 

[phillyfan9090]

The MBA and the MBP are getting more and more similar. I wonder if the upcoming iteration of the MBP will be the last, followed by an expansion of the MBA line to include a 15" model, with a wider range of processors and options.

I was thinking Apple should keep the Airs with 11" and 13" options.. but change the Macbook Pro sizes to 14 and 16". This may sound stupid and would upset the 15" MBP audience but that way the Airs and Pros are differentiated.. And, for those who want a 17" to return, the 16" will at least be an improvement from whats out now

 

[PDFierro]

I was thinking Apple should keep the Airs with 11" and 13" options.. but change the Macbook Pro sizes to 14 and 16". This may sound stupid and would upset the 15" MBP audience but that way the Airs and Pros are differentiated.. And, for those who want a 17" to return, the 16" will at least be an improvement from whats out now

14 and 16? Talk about going against the norm. It's 10x easier to release 13 and 15 inch models. I don't see why Apple would even consider that.

 

[dejo]

which is why Apple should've released the new Macbook Pro now. They will lose all of the students audience if they wait until october.

Hardly. The current models are probably quite sufficient for most students' needs.

Theres no excuse from Apple or Intel to not be ready with this product. its been over a year since the last model came out

You should not presume to know better than Apple and/or Intel as to why they haven't released them yet. They could have a very good excuse but they aren't willing to make it public.

 

[adjeff8]

I understand your logic but still think it's nonsense. Of course later releases of something are going to be better than previous generations. I'm talking about using the product when it's FIRST launched.

What compared to an iPhone or iPad when they first came out? Nothing.

I can sit here and wait for iPhone 27 and say "I'm glad I didn't get the first 26 iPhones, this one is soo much better!" What fun would that be?

To. Each their own. But nonsense it's not. It's common knowledge that apple releases great innovations but the first iterations are ALWAYS half baked and they always leave out features that show up in the 2nd generation. Like the camera on the iPad. I never said anything about the first generations of anything. Now THAT'S nonsense. In the case of the retina computer everybody knows about the myriad of problems some people have been happening, including a GPU not quite up task of supporting the power hungry retina screen among many other issues. I for one am very happy that I held on to my $2,700 and waited for the 2nd generation. Believe me, I wanted the retina the day it came out, but I was smart enough to have waited as I learned my lesson when I bought the 1st generation MBP with the intel chip in 2006. Horrible decision and I won't make that mistake again

 

[Astroboy907]

I run photoshop on a 2008 MBP fine. Runs it great unless I have 40+ tabs, aperture, photoshop, illustrator, mail, and iTunes running at the same time (basically always).
So if you are just doing light photoshop work and web browsing/writing papers then a lot of computers are cheaper that do what you want. But I understand if you want to buy new and use the computer for a looong time.

 

[john123]

To. Each their own. But nonsense it's not. It's common knowledge that apple releases great innovations but the first iterations are ALWAYS half baked and they always leave out features that show up in the 2nd generation.

Blatantly untrue. Ridiculously so. There is nothing "half baked" about these products. Tech is always evolving, and on any revision, there is something around the corner that wasn't ready in time.

Believe me, I wanted the retina the day it came out, but I was smart enough to have waited as I learned my lesson when I bought the 1st generation MBP with the intel chip in 2006. Horrible decision and I won't make that mistake again

My, aren't you proud of yourself! I was smart enough to order a Retina the same week they came out. It was great.

You are letting one anecdotal experience cloud your judgment and cause you to characterize things overall in a negative light. You should reconsider.

 

[maflynn]

If apple wanted to capture the back to school sales they would have released the updated MBPs in June (or July) but since that is gone by the boards, the next big event is Christmas shoppers and so they'll need to have the Haswell computers ready for them in September/October.

I have no idea why they waited but the simple fact is they did. My advice is that if you need one now, and it sounds like you do. Then buy one now. At worst you can always sell it after Apple releases the Haswell machines.

 

[mr.bee]

why hasn't apple released new ones?very easy, they are selling lower than expected. need to get rid of a certain amount of stock before selling the next gen.