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Why I Returned the Surface Pro 4 and Kept the iPad Pro
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I feel I can be productive on the ipad pro more so,then ommrhrni-ad,air,two,,it,compliments the MacBook I use. With Microsoft office. I'm ina win win situation. Sure enough not a lot,of apps are,optimised for the bigger screen size, but the fact that is if you can make it work for you then it will.
People obviously don't see it that way and that's fine , but people with the iPad pro will sure make it work to their work professional like I do.
There is no yay or nay to this. ALL down to how you use it.
People obviously don't see it that way and that's fine , but people with the iPad pro will sure make it work to their work professional like I do.
There is no yay or nay to this. ALL down to how you use it.
That's not what I said, of course not everyone should buy an iPad Pro. I was saying that from my usuage the iPad Pro has replaced my laptop and I believe that Tim Cook was right when he said this. The Surface is a confused product that isn't best at anything, I'm not the only one to have said this, many Surface users have said so. That was my point, in know way am I forcing anyone to buy an iPad Pro that is personal choice, after all we live in a democracy.
I agree with you Dave245, tdale completely missunderstood your post,
@tdale - reading through your posts on this thread, you sound like a troll! I think you are on the wrong forum.
I agree with these statements 100%. I will add this: Apple makes the Macbook, Macbook Air and Macbook Pro. I don't expect Apple to make a device that hurts sales of those laptops more than the iPad line already does.
Compared to what? Personal expectations and desires? Fine - you have every right to think so. Compared to Android or Windows Phone? I think EVERY iOS version has been quite groundbreaking.
In a half-baked, unreliable and low quality form.
Of course iOS 9 looks similar to iPhone OS 1 - it is intentional. Familiarity is a feature. But when you look at the changes at a fundamental level you'll see that - to quote Apple - the only thing that has changed is: everything.
Again, I think this is a case where features get confused with innovation. Shiny things that sound good get sold as innovation, while investing in quality passes as "same old thing". Apple comes with a way to make a device run longer, faster and better with some pretty innovative solutions but people say it's the same as the first iPhone because it LOOKS similar.
But ok, let's start with the features themselves: what are 64-bit support in a mobile OS, TouchID, Force Touch, Metal, etc. if not innovative advancements? These are not only hardware features, they are features of both hardware and software - these are iOS features. Other than that, iOS has the most advanced and efficient memory management, power management and performance in mobile space and Apple keeps innovating in this regard, finding ways to make iOS devices work better. What about encryption, security and privacy? Whether you want to call that innovation or not is one thing, but half-baked features that sound good on paper are not innovative.
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You should also realize different people have different uses and most people can use the ipad pro as a complete laptop. I'm an electrical engineer and I do code on desktop machines, so I'm not the average joe either. As a mobile device the ipad pro satisfied all my needs. I have not used my rMBP in 2 weeks now fyi.
Its strange. The OP, like many others, dont mention LTE at all. LTE would be one of the main reasons for me to buy an iPP. The surface line is not going with LTE, which to me is a major flaw for a device that is meant to be the ultimate mobile computer.
I guess I just don't understand why both of these devices can't coexist. Why does one have to beat the other? For some people a Surface will work better and for others they'll prefer an iPad. Why do we need long posts from people trying to justify why they bought one over the other? Buy what you think will work for you and if you don't like it, return it.
They do coexist. Im saying that if a device is fun for me to use I end up wanting to use it for everything including work because its fun.
I agree and disagree. I do agree that Sony's PS (for 3 & 4) technically has better spec'ed hardware. But, and a big BUT, the all around user experience is far better with MS Xbox line. Better games, better network. You can have the best hardware on earth, but if software developers never utilize it... Your hardware is only as good as the software developed for it. For example, let's say Apple included Apple Pay hardware in all their devices, but never turned it on in the software, do you then give credit to Apple for implementing Apple Pay? Or do you move on and say they never had Apple Pay?
Sony's PS3's hardware was far superior to most PC's sold at it's time, but developers never really developed to the capabilities of the hardware all the way up until the PS4 came out.
In this case, if someone is trying to replace a laptop/desktop AND a tablet, there is nothing better than the SP4... If someone, like me, feels that no one device will truly ever be better than having both a dedicated tablet and a laptop/desktop, iOS devices are perfect.
Another discussion I've had with many people are stereo speakers. I am not willing to sacrifice audio quality for size. Bose has the best sound quality for the size, not the best sound quality. I would prefer having bigger speakers that sound better.
As I stated in another post, to me a laptop itself is a compromise I am not willing to take. I need a true desktop (with dual monitors), tons of hard drive space, and physical drives. I need more than 1-2 USB ports and I need them all to be USB 3.0+ spec'ed. I need to be able to do this without having to take out a second mortgage, and I need the device to last me 5-10 years and be upgradeable. When I am not using the desktop (mainly consuming i.e. browsing, reading email, viewing/sharing pictures), I don't need to sacrifice speed/price/size with my consumption by using a laptop, because a tablet can do all my consuming better/faster.
Yeah, okay, I agree with that
I suppose though everyone has to admit that the Xbox line didn't come out of thin air like the original playstation did when Sony took it's first stab at the console market. Microsoft had a pretty decent in the games industry. Even if they didn't directly create hardware before the XBox, Windows and DirectX sure as hell influenced PC hardware.
iOS sucks for "real work"? You haven't thought this through. There's no inherent limitation about iOS itself that limits productivity. Before the iPad Pro, iOS was only on devices with smaller screens and limited processing power. And, most people with iOS devices didn't get keyboards to go with it. So developers didn't really have a lot of motivation to develop high power apps to this "real work" you refer to. Now, with the IPP, all that's changed. But it will take some time for the apps to come. Its not like you have to have a mouse and windows to do real work. It's simply what we got used to. In fact, for graphics and design applications, I will argue that Macs are the ones that will limited compared to the IPP.
It's funny to see so many people argue that "real work" can't be done on an iPad Pro, and yet no one ever gives any specific examples. So show you actually know what you're talking about - what can't be done or done well on an iPad Pro with iOS compared to a MacBook Pro with MacOS X?
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I agree with you on this, it's simply what people have got use to using, the mind set seems to be that Macs or PCs are used to do "real work" and the iPad is used to just consume content. That has changed with the iPad Pro, since having my iPad Pro I have not used my 2011 MacBook Pro, I now find its replaced my computing needs. I'm a writer and I use Final Draft on the iPad Pro, with its big full onscreen keyboard it is more than big enough to type on, multitasking is also brilliant to look at notes or safari while typing, and when I want to consume (Netflix, YouTube iTunes content) it's all in the same place and under the same roof.
Maybe it's not for everyone just yet, but I do think the iPad Pro is moving towards replacing most people's laptops, and will continue to do so with each generation along with each app that developers make.
I honestly don't think you've ever used a Surface Pro 4 before. Trackpad isn't laggy As a matter of fact, it's probably the best type/trackpad/fingerprint cover on the market by far and better than some laptop configurations like the Yoga 900, 12" Retina Macbook, etc. As for the weight, doubt anyone could tell the difference by feel of 0.12#. With keyboard they both weigh about 2.33# based on a post where someone actually weighed iPP+smart keyboard since Apple doesn't publish the keyboard weight. Battery life of the more comparable SP4 Core M3 model is typically between 7 and 8 hours but it does true foreground and background multitasking so you can get more work done per battery hour.
For anyone seriously considering both wait for an unbiased review from a professional like Brad Colbow. He's just waiting on his pencil.
https://www.youtube.com/user/thebradcolbow
I absolutely experienced it. I had it for two weeks. Maybe it was my model, but my trackpad was definitely not smooth. I didn't feel the weight displacement when holding it as a tablet was very good and I certainly notice a difference between it and the iPad Pro. I like how because I don't agree that I'm automatically wrong and unbiased. It completely depends on what you use it for. Yes, for true multitasking, I agree, the SP4 beats the IPP bar none. But that's not how I use it. It doesn't make me wrong and it doesn't make you wrong. Different use cases for different people. I was very upfront on what I used them for and what I wanted. It might work differently for others. This was just my experience. Take it or leave it. This wasn't a bash on the SP4. It's a great device. It just wasn't the device for me.
Returning our sp4 today after a month of use. It has been riddled with bugs crashes and tech support calls/web chats. They can't even get basic stuff to work correctly Pinterest and Facebook crash regularly. They blame it on our internet connection codecs dlls office setup and drivers. Battery life is 3-4 hours of normal use on battery saver settings.
The hardware is amazing. Everything about the sp4 hardware and functionality is perfect for us. But spending $1700 on a product and not getting basic bugs fixed quickly by their tech support is unacceptable.
The hardware is amazing. Everything about the sp4 hardware and functionality is perfect for us. But spending $1700 on a product and not getting basic bugs fixed quickly by their tech support is unacceptable.
Why don't you just use Chrome browser to access those? Never understand the rubbish of using an app per site instead of using one universal browser. And, with higher performance models you trade off battery life. Got the fanless Core M3 model and get between 7 and 8 hours for consumption.
Good luck trying to get a quick for the iPP dead after charging, inadequate 12W charger that drains battery while connected under load and other issues.
Because it should just work in an app. If it's in their App Store it should function accordingly. Also those sites would crash in IE as well. We should have to use chrome or Firefox on a msft software and hardware platform.
Finally their own tech support could not fix these issues which is a joke.
At least you have other options. iOS apps like Spotify don't run on iPP so you're SOL.
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