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Why I'm Switching Back to Windows
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Trolled? OP hasn't been back since he made this, his only, post.
Probably.
These things crack me up. All browsers on OS X suck? Oh do they? Hm, seems like I can make it through the day with Safari on my Mac Mini at work, my Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, and Mac Mini at home. Crazy, my 3 systems must just be lucky that they run Safari properly
I don't understand how Firefox on Windows is an oasis of joy, but on Mac its a suck fest. Oh well. Its obvious the OP came here to troll, which is fine. He can relate Windows XP (released in 2001) to OS X Leopard (released in 2007) all he wants, Windows XP was designed for a lot less resource capable machines and thus will run faster on the same hardware as Leopard in some cases. Who would expect Windows 7 to run faster than Windows XP on the same hardware? Newer technology demands higher performance machines. When has an OS ever run faster than a previous version on identical hardware?
Trolled? OP hasn't been back since he made this, his only, post.
what is your definition of a troll? post only one post and then not resume discussion? is that right?
rather than guessing other's motivation, its better just lay down your facts based arguments. Troll or not, you just need to trust people can judge for themselves. your help is not needed in this regard.
you don't have to be lucky to realize there are people out there being unlucky, 3 is not a big enough sample number anyway. you sure are not saying 100% of satisfaction for 100% safari users, are you?These things crack me up. All browsers on OS X suck? Oh do they? Hm, seems like I can make it through the day with Safari on my Mac Mini at work, my Macbook Pro, Macbook Air, and Mac Mini at home. Crazy, my 3 systems must just be lucky that they run Safari properly
I hope you ask this question to apple, I recall apple mocking MS in its infamous mac vs pc ads, basically accusing microsoft require users to update hardware of their XP machine to properly run new OS. How absurd, right?
The hypnowheel is not even close to being the same thing as a BSOD.
"I get the hourglass in XP way more than I ever got kernal panics in OS X."
See how that doesn't make sense?
I meet windows people who don't know how to hard reset every day (unfortunately).
Apple needs to write some drivers and just release it for general PC distribution. I am tired of having to use their hardware when they don't even try to give a medium range desktop. I have my own monitor, I don't want an imac so my next choice is a 2500 dollar mac pro. Sorry I haven't seen that much money spent on a computer since I was 6 and we got our first one from best buy.
Trolled? That squiggly thing with a dot under it is a question mark my friend. It wasn't a statement but an implied question regarding the posters motivation.
Fact:
1. Registered for that one "hot topic" post and create it in a thread in Community Discussion on an Apple forum
2. Stating OSX is problematic, buggy and inadequate
3. Stating Windows is a better OS
4. Not responding to honest users who are trying to help with his problems
https://forums.macrumors.com/members/350834/
Thanks but your help is not needed in gauging how I judge what a troll is.
I had XP - actually I've used it on several machines - and have had to do it on all of them at times, and on the worst one it was almost daily.
You should NEVER have to re-install mac OS X. Yes re-installing may have made it faster but you could have gotten he same thing by clearing the browser cache or removing some unneeded files.
It's lie saying the tires on my car are worn out so I bought a new car. Yes that certainly would fix your tire problem.
Apple,
If you would provide Express Card and Matte screens on your entire laptop line I would consider upgrading to a new MacBook Pro.
dmmcintyre3
If you would provide Express Card and Matte screens on your entire laptop line I would consider upgrading to a new MacBook Pro.
dmmcintyre3
Funny!! Cause I can say the exact same thing with my windows box... Only with every update the thing just gets slow and slow and slow. To the point I'm yelling at it "Why the hell is it still booting!!!" ><
I had to do a hard reboot on my win XP SP2 dell (for work) several times a week before they replaced it last week. Generalizations are just as bad in both directions.
OP, I've been using OS X since 10.1, and mail has never deleted an email and I can remember maybe fewer than 5 safari crashes ever, across all versions. In short, as others have said, these are not normal problems; something bizarre is going on.
I guess everyone has the right to express their experience.. Personally If something bothered me so much, I'd just dump it; auction it at the most sell-able price and be done with. I wouldn't even bother saying good-bye to the community... I'd just it high and dry, quick and sharp!!
Explains a lot!
Explains a lot!
OP:
Have you gathered enough info for the paper you are writing/comparative theology course/attempted punking of MR?
It's fairly clear you didn't intend to discuss, teach, or learn, but to stir up the pot.
Sadly, that isn't a bar to further participation. Many on these forums do the same thing...
Have you gathered enough info for the paper you are writing/comparative theology course/attempted punking of MR?
It's fairly clear you didn't intend to discuss, teach, or learn, but to stir up the pot.
Sadly, that isn't a bar to further participation. Many on these forums do the same thing...
Troll or not, his experience and future is shared by many.
Microsoft is about to release the best version of Windows it has ever created. In my experience (and from reading the thoughts of others) it is stable, fast and reliable. It has a great new interface where no space is wasted and where multi-tasking is encouraged and assisted.
I loved Expose when I first tried it, but Aero Peek is just so much more intuitive. It's great having the application icon, and then being able to preview the windows open in that application. I don't like how OS X forces me to bind a different key to the standard one to do this.
I hear so many people here attacking Microsoft for the problems that Vista had. I experienced them as well but what I also experienced was a similar number of problems when I installed Leopard for the first time. Both companies are clearly making up for mistakes they have made - Apple with Leopard and Microsoft with Vista.
The difference that I can see though is that Apple veered off the path it was on - Tiger was incredible and is my favourite OS to date. It had the stability, speed and reliability which I crave so much and which they threw out of the window with Leopard. When Microsoft released Vista, XP was still pretty unreliable.
In contrast, in the past couple of years Microsoft has made great improvements to both of its released OSs. You might attack the company for releasing patch after patch, but at least they fix the problems! How many times do we have to read about a security hole in OS X on Mac or iPhone before Apple even considers patching it?
Now, I haven't tried Snow Leopard, but it doesn't look like it's bringing much that will help me. They're charging money for it (I can't tell you how many times I've read fanboys ranting about "OMG Microsoft should be ashamed to charge money for Windows 7" here) and clearly they realise that it isn't going to help many people because of the low price tag.
We can sing all we want about OpenCL and GCD, but there's only so much that I can do as a user - if the application can spring open 3 seconds quicker, that's 3 seconds less for me to think about what I was going to do with it or finish doing what I was doing in another application.
Now I'm not switching back to Windows only, but that's mainly because I don't need a new computer right now. But next time, when the choice is between Snow Leopard and Windows (and all the advantages of paying extra for a Mac are wiped out) I think my purchasing decision might go a little differently to the Mac Pro I bought earlier this year.
Microsoft is about to release the best version of Windows it has ever created. In my experience (and from reading the thoughts of others) it is stable, fast and reliable. It has a great new interface where no space is wasted and where multi-tasking is encouraged and assisted.
I loved Expose when I first tried it, but Aero Peek is just so much more intuitive. It's great having the application icon, and then being able to preview the windows open in that application. I don't like how OS X forces me to bind a different key to the standard one to do this.
I hear so many people here attacking Microsoft for the problems that Vista had. I experienced them as well but what I also experienced was a similar number of problems when I installed Leopard for the first time. Both companies are clearly making up for mistakes they have made - Apple with Leopard and Microsoft with Vista.
The difference that I can see though is that Apple veered off the path it was on - Tiger was incredible and is my favourite OS to date. It had the stability, speed and reliability which I crave so much and which they threw out of the window with Leopard. When Microsoft released Vista, XP was still pretty unreliable.
In contrast, in the past couple of years Microsoft has made great improvements to both of its released OSs. You might attack the company for releasing patch after patch, but at least they fix the problems! How many times do we have to read about a security hole in OS X on Mac or iPhone before Apple even considers patching it?
Now, I haven't tried Snow Leopard, but it doesn't look like it's bringing much that will help me. They're charging money for it (I can't tell you how many times I've read fanboys ranting about "OMG Microsoft should be ashamed to charge money for Windows 7" here) and clearly they realise that it isn't going to help many people because of the low price tag.
We can sing all we want about OpenCL and GCD, but there's only so much that I can do as a user - if the application can spring open 3 seconds quicker, that's 3 seconds less for me to think about what I was going to do with it or finish doing what I was doing in another application.
Now I'm not switching back to Windows only, but that's mainly because I don't need a new computer right now. But next time, when the choice is between Snow Leopard and Windows (and all the advantages of paying extra for a Mac are wiped out) I think my purchasing decision might go a little differently to the Mac Pro I bought earlier this year.
Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade: $220
OS X Snow Leopard Upgrade: $30
Difference in cost: $190
Windows Vista Ultimate Full: $190
OS X Leopard Full: $97
Difference in cost: $93
Going from a fresh system, to Leopard, to Snow Leopard: $127
Going from a fresh system, to Vista, to 7: $410
Apple tax my @$$.
Snow Leopard is fast, it has a lot of good improvements, has Expose for individual applications, and is only $30.
You can talk about how stable Windows 7 is, blah blah blah. Yeah, you are right for the most part it is stable. But even non OS X users have seen me running Win 7 and said "Hey, [insert feature here] looks like Mac." Funny eh? Funny that even people who don't use OS X recognize that stuff.
This isn't really fair. I pre-ordered my copy of Windows 7 for £44.99. Amazon isn't doing that offer any more, but they are still selling it for £64.98 - nowhere close to $220.
Additionally, most users won't consider the licensing cost of Vista or Leopard because it came with their machine. Only those who are making two jumps XP->Vista->7 or Tiger->Leopard->Snow Leopard will really notice.
The difference is that these Mac users probably paid more for their computer in the first place. Microsoft is a software company, so it's not surprising that they are looking to profit from their software. Apple just does the profiteering at the other end.
I don't doubt that it is fast - that's all that Apple has talked about. My point is that Leopard is already fast - I don't need it to be any faster to get my work done. As for features, there aren't many and they're still bundling the awful Front Row when Windows is miles ahead with Media Center.
I really could not give a damn about this. I don't care where the ideas come from. I care about how they are executed and how they can help me. It doesn't matter one bit to any end user whether Apple designed it and Microsoft stole it or the other way around. In most cases it's usually a third party that designs something and then it either appears in the software or Microsoft/Apple buy the company responsible.
It's obvious there are elements of the Dock in the new Windows 7 task bar, but it's not a direct copy. Microsoft have significantly improved it and haven't fallen into the same pitfalls that Apple did with masses of wasted space and unnecessary visual effects. Does it bother me that the idea wasn't wholly Microsoft's? Not one bit.
The main thing for you to realise is that I think that Windows 7 is ahead of Leopard and it's looking very doubtful that Snow Leopard is going to exceed 7 in performance or usability. Let's be positive and imagine that Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are pretty much equal - the decision most people will have to make is whether to spend hundreds of dollars extra on a case. That's the only edge which Apple's machines are going to have (but even this is in doubt thanks to new and improved machines from Dell, HP and suchlike)
Kind of unfair that you're using Windows Ultimate for the comparison. Even if it is the most feature-complete version, most people just go with premium (or maybe basic).
Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade is $220 on amazon. Sorry, but it is very close to $220, as close as you can get.
I know this, but to be fair I included both the full price of Leopard and the full price of Vista to even the playing fields.
I have beat this argument down 500,000 times. My Dell Inspiron E1505 was $1800. My Macbook Pro was $1800. Same price, both 15" laptops.
Media center is good, but the only good thing about it is the TV Tuner. I find the rest of Media Center to be lame and clunky. I never use Front Row either.
You are on crack. Do you want me to benchmark my Snow Leopard install vs a Windows 7 install? Snow Leopard boots to desktop, fully loaded in 30 seconds and shuts down in 3 seconds. My fresh Windows 7 takes about 45 seconds to start up and 15 seconds to shut down. Fresh.
And lets take a stroll down the user friendly festival known as the Windows Control Panel shall we? Thats the definition of a LACK of usability!
Its not $100's more for a case. I know that the price difference hardly exists, if it exists at all. And with Dell you get tech support based in a country where you cannot understand any of the support techs, and also get cheap computers made from clunky plastic parts. Wow, sounds like a fun time to me.
Its entirely fair, I am using the most full featured version of Leopard and Snow Leopard, so I will in turn use the most full featured version of Vista and 7.
Good for you. If 15" is the only criteria we're using here let's compare two:
HP 550 - £269.99
MacBook Pro 15" - £1360.32
I don't measure the performance of anything based on how long it takes to turn on or turn off, unless that time is obscenely long. With Windows 7, it really isn't.
I actually laughed out loud when I read this. You described exactly my experience with Apple. My white MacBook started discolouring and I called them up - I don't know what country they were in but the people I spoke to were difficult to understand.
ANY credibility you had, and I mean ANY is gone. Sorry, but you fail worse than anyone else here has ever failed. Why?
Spec Comparison:
- 1GB of DDR2 RAM for the HP, 4GB DDR3 RAM for the Apple
- Intel Celeron 533FSB vs. Intel Core2Duo 1066FSB
- 160GB HD vs Apple 250GB HD
- GMA X3100 vs Nvidia 9400M
- 1280x800 vs 1440x900 Display
- 802.11g vs 802.11n
- 3.2cm thick vs 2.41cm thick
Want the specs for the Dell? Specs: 1.6GHz Centrino Duo, 80GB HD, 256MB GeForce Go7XXX, 1GB RAM, 15″ Screen @ 1280×800, DVD Burner. $1800
Macbook Pro: 2.4GHz Core2Duo, 200GB HD, 256MB 8600, 2GB RAM, 15" LCD @ 1440x900, DVD Burner. $1800
I call Apple, and I get US based support every time. Perfect english. Dell is straight India. Have fun with that.
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