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Why iOS needs less RAM compared to Android
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I actually made my point in this thread so won't be back. You guys are acting like im the joker while you are Batman and Robin. Good debating....enjoy the rest of your day.
thats a very nice way of thinking about things. either people have my exact phone or they're misinformed... really? is this what you should be doing with your time? why not contribute to the note 8 threads and discuss your favorite features there? what's the point of chatting up the Note 8 in every iphone thread? on the contrary, your posts would turn me completely off of the note 8 - i'd want nothing to do with it. last time somebody was this obsessed with a product it turned out to be Battleborn
Good riddance. You made no point at all. You were debating with yourself because you read things that we didn't say. And then when you got caught, you resorted to insulting others.
that... that is an excellent idea for an avatar! i was wondering what to replace that old drab avatar with - this will do just fine! thanks!
Okay so still 2GB more than most iOS devices. I can hold 20 plus safari tabs open without issue although I’d never do that. At the very least, my 7 Plus is on par with the Note 8 with half the RAM. iOS does more with less. Android has always had background task issues.
isn't it better for a guy to explain something in a video not be on one side of the fence?
Your comparing a moped to a motorcycle. It's true, iOS is better with management and more efficient, but that's only because its close source... When u have an open source system its harder to do what you want, while at the same time, finding that balance
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what does the public availability of source code have at all to do with difficulty of memory management? now you're comparing a moped to a motorcycle
also, android isn't nearly as open source as you think it is. not that it matters to this argument at all, but just thought i'd point that out.
I have an 8 Plus and S8 (work phone). The S8 can be maddening at times. It runs Android, with the Samsung UI on top of it, I use a launcher on top of that for a better interface, then Verizon bloats it with software.
Verizon does a few things to this phone:
It has a process (DT Ignight) that will automatically install apps without you knowing.
Samsung has built in memory optimization tools. Verizon disables them. They are available on all other carriers.
Samsung has "Find my Device". Verizon disables that as well.
In its place, Verizon has its own security suite.
Basically it's all a mess because in part because there are too many cooks involved. Yes, I know some problems are just with the Verizon variant, but still.
The iPhone everything works and all the necessary processes are accounted for. I'm sure if another company was developing a UI to overlap this one, with a carrier disabling and meddling with the core software and replacing it, the memory might also be a little mismanaged.
Verizon does a few things to this phone:
It has a process (DT Ignight) that will automatically install apps without you knowing.
Samsung has built in memory optimization tools. Verizon disables them. They are available on all other carriers.
Samsung has "Find my Device". Verizon disables that as well.
In its place, Verizon has its own security suite.
Basically it's all a mess because in part because there are too many cooks involved. Yes, I know some problems are just with the Verizon variant, but still.
The iPhone everything works and all the necessary processes are accounted for. I'm sure if another company was developing a UI to overlap this one, with a carrier disabling and meddling with the core software and replacing it, the memory might also be a little mismanaged.
Apple is giving you less RAM, which is not the same or iOS benefiting from more RAM if it was available.
I’m certain there would be areas of improvement to the user experience if all iPhone models shipped with 4gb of ram.
I’m certain there would be areas of improvement to the user experience if all iPhone models shipped with 4gb of ram.
That video proved nothing of your statement in terms of technical relevance. Your looking at mainly RAM capacity and failing to look at RAM freq speed. Example: I own a really sweet high end gaming PC with over 4 grand of high end cutting edge hardware invested in. The build is impeccable and the performance is mind blowing, but obviously build money is always a balance as any custom build should be well balanced. So did I go with huge RAM capacity in sacrifice for RAM Freq speed? Answer is Neither. I went with 32Gb of 3200 freq RAM in a 4 channel set up. Much better than 64Gb of 2400 Freq RAM. It's much faster and more efficient in every aspect despite it's lower capacity... Trick is keeping that fast Freq RAM cool. After that it's all very stable and reliable no matter Phone, Mac, or PC. (These are simple things related to both PC, Mac, Apple, or any Cell phone Tech in Relation to RAM.) Software efficiency and compatibility do play a roll in the above equation, but regardless there is no substitute for heavy ripping fast hardware. I'm Gob smacked that you would not know that simple fundamental fact and even bothered to post about your ill founded theory on RAM efficiency. OMG! Am I'm surrounded by idiots??? Everyone in this forum including myself is now more stupid for having read your post. I hope your happy with yourself
iPhone's are always going to require less hardware to achieve the same smoothness as an Android phone. That's simply because the OS is specifically designed around the hardware platform, much like a gaming console. There are hundreds of different android phones, much like a PC running Windows, so generally the experience is going to be uniform and a little smoother on the Apple product. I think at this point in time the chips and ram that power the new phones are at that point where the specs really don't matter much anymore, unless you're doing synthetic benchmarks side by side and measuring the lag in single digit seconds, which is rather pointless. I go back and fourth between Android and iPhone's, so really don't have brand loyalty. I like the Androids because of the customization and more features, but I like iPhone's, because they're just super simple to use and they seem to have better memory and battery management. Even so today's phones are surpassing 3,000 mAh, so even the Androids will last almost a full day under heavy use. I'm kind of glad Windows phones never really took off. It's nice to be using a Linux/Unix based OS on both platforms.
Where the RAM management differs between the two the most and why one needs double the RAM vs the other is because iOS will compress an app down from say 300-400mb while in use to 10mb when it’s placed in the background. Android doesn’t. Android’s solution is to just throw more RAM at the issue. It’s apps will remain 300-400mb in the background.
That video proved nothing of your statement in terms of technical relevance. Your looking at mainly RAM capacity and failing to look at RAM freq speed. Example: I own a really sweet high end gaming PC with over 4 grand of high end cutting edge hardware invested in. The build is impeccable and the performance is mind blowing, but obviously build money is always a balance as any custom build should be well balanced. So did I go with huge RAM capacity in sacrifice for RAM Freq speed? Answer is Neither. I went with 32Gb of 3200 freq RAM in a 4 channel set up. Much better than 64Gb of 2400 Freq RAM. It's much faster and more efficient in every aspect despite it's lower capacity... Trick is keeping that fast Freq RAM cool. After that it's all very stable and reliable no matter Phone, Mac, or PC. (These are simple things related to both PC, Mac, Apple, or any Cell phone Tech in Relation to RAM.) Software efficiency and compatibility do play a roll in the above equation, but regardless there is no substitute for heavy ripping fast hardware. I'm Gob smacked that you would not know that simple fundamental fact and even bothered to post about your ill founded theory on RAM efficiency. OMG! Am I'm surrounded by idiots??? Everyone in this forum including myself is now more stupid for having read your post. I hope your happy with yourself
What are you even talking about - That video proved nothing of your statement in terms of technical relevance - ? I didn’t make any statement about fast or slow. Your overdramatic response is a bit off topic. A PC hardware analogy doesn’t really hold true with phones mostly because of the restrictions a phone comes with. I can’t just put a honking piece of hardware for speed simply because there’s no way to put a cooling mechanism. Either way, you went off topic. Relax with the name calling.
Yea I didn't know the details of it, but I knew it was a fundamental issue of Android. I am not sure why they wouldn't just copy what Apple does. Would it overall bring down the experience of using Android?
They can’t do it because they don’t have control over the hardware side of things and they don’t know what a manufacturer will do with Android once they get their hands on it.
Don’t think it’s tough spot for Android. Google is a software service company and their business model was never really based on selling hardware.
As a company Google likes to experiment, and all their hardware efforts are just that, part of the experiment. Most of their hardware endeavours have been failures in consumer market but they don’t really care about it. They just want to see what works in real world. The recent pixel effort is more for them to show people what’s possible with good hardware and unaltered Android. I feel like this is more of a call to the partner manufacturers to up their game.
Cracking smartphone hardware market at present is really difficult when you have Apple and Samsung to go against. And in doing so google will also ruin their relationship with not only Samsung but the other smaller Android manufacturers as well. They really do not want to do it seeing Samsung has already started investing in their own Tizen OS possibly for their upcoming smartphones.
Agreed.
It essentially just shows that some developers better optimized their apps for one platform versus the other. At the end of the day is it going to matter if your phone application opens .05ms faster than your neighbors? And if that .05ms really bothers you, is it worth switching to a platform you don’t know or like (either way)?
If it comes down to complex computation being vastly different between two devices, then yes, that can be impactful if you use the phones for such work. Since I actually edit video on my devices, this issue interests me personally, but, it still is a singular use case. At the end of the day, the Moto G Play I use at work (Low end android device which our internal VoIP App resides on) is no slower to use than my Nexus 6P, or iPhone 7 for general browsing, photo taking, note taking, messaging, or making calls.
I am currently trying out an S8+ for a couple weeks. Compared to my 7 Plus the S8+ has apps close more often and stay in memory less.