Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

All iPads Why is Apple more worried about profit than innovation ?

Cool Pup said:
I really do think it's at least partially as simple as them being able to shave some additional costs off of their manufacturing by going with 16GB. They won't lose business by having that model as the entry point. They probably have reports from users who buy the 16GB because it's entry-level and relatively cheap. That, and the emphasis of cloud storage is quickly making the idea of large storage obsolete in its own little, weird way.

I remember I use to bloat my devices with music and TV shows so much that I needed the maximum size, but now I just use streaming music and video services, so 16GB in many ways reflects a situation where I don't need the excess room and I'm able to save some money.

I would say the majority of people who buy iPads just use it to browse the internet and watch stuff on it. There's a lot of productivity work and gaming, but most people with iPads I know just use it to stream various services, and 16GB in that regard, while not great or modern, is completely acceptable.
Click to expand...
It's definitely possible and if so I think this is the year it'll bite them in the ass as iOS updates are starting to get almost as large as half the device storage needed to update.

iOS 8 was what, 5.7GB or something like that. You need a little more than twice the space to install it (has to unpack it and be able to move files around). The only reasonable option for people who actually take pictures with their devices (my neophyte mother even does) is to install it via iTunes. I'd argue most people don't realize that now. 16GB really feels like 8GB a few years ago. It's my belief that it's just not enough for most people.
 
QuarterSwede said:
We really don't know why Apple went with 16GB on the base models instead of 32GB. It being for profits is really just conjecture. It could very well be because of supply constraints on 32GB.
Click to expand...


It's for profits, it's pretty clear and makes absolute business sense.
 
DBZmusicboy01 said:
Only 1GB of RAM for the iPad Air 2 and 16GB storage...
and the mini 3? lets not go there :(
Click to expand...

Adding more RAM is innovation? News to me! I think you need to understand what the words mean before you use then (not meaning to sound rude or disrespectful, but your post doesn't make sense).
 
I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up about the base model iPad only having 16gb storage... Literally every other tablet and phone for that matter uses 16gb or less as base model, and some don't even have higher storage. If you wanted 32gb then great news because the 64gb is now the same price as 32gb? So quit whinging.
 
andiwm2003 said:
the 16GB makes sense because a lot of companies buy iPad's for their employees for work proposes. These IPad will never be used to store Music or video's and will only have few apps on them. And cost is a factor when a company buys 200 iPads.

1 GB ram if true is good for me because that means my Air1 will last longer;-)
Click to expand...

Cost wouldn't really be a factor if they upped the base to 32GB. The base price would still be the same.

Apple used to make 4 and 8GB phones, it's not like they kept those sizes around. Right now 16GB is less usable (and much less expensive) than 8GB was when they dropped that capacity. Back then Apple was slightly more consumer oriented
 
It's hard to imagine Apple is "worried" about much of anything at the moment, but I'm confident Tim Cook isn't losing sleep over profits.
 
whtrbt7 said:
Apple could have put 32GB of storage but there really isn't any reason to.
Click to expand...

Right, because no one has ever needed storage considerations between 16-32GB. I mean... Besides the millions of 32GB ipads and iPhones sold in the past. We'll just ignore all those. :rolleyes:
 
16GB is overkill for most enterprise iPads. We have a whole bunch at work and they get used for a small handful of specific work-related apps. Even 8GB would be overkill for that service's needs.

People just forget that not every iPad is going into a consumer home and crammed with content.
 
s2mikey said:
Companies these days are MUCH more beholden to shareholders than ever before. If the quarterly numbers aren't high enough then the Wall street mongoloids get all worked up and freak out. In the good old days, companies used to put employees and customers slightly ahead of shareholders as far as order of importance.

Now? It's like 90% stroking the shareholder weenie and 10% for everything else.

The problem with this is that it can stifle innovation and reduce quality. It's hard to develop products long term and have a longer term vision when some hedge fund gorilla is breathing down your neck. Ya know, these guys need another mega yacht and two more mansions.... Right? :rolleyes:
Click to expand...
thank you. These people are greedy. Financial people are the worst. They try to make money out of financial engineering etc. i want Apple to make the best product possible rather than piece mailing features in to please investors. I wouldnt mind getting an iPad that has everything. However Apple keeps gimping it in favor of the iPhone. Thats what keeps people on the sidelines. The iPad is an elective device at best. The best way to sell it is to equip it with ALL of the latest tech. Im shocked Apple didnt try to pack in a serious display upgrade. It wouldve been nice to have a 401ppi display like the 6+. The samsung display has twice as many pixels for christs sake. Eeek....
 
Last edited:
s2mikey said:
Companies these days are MUCH more beholden to shareholders than ever before. If the quarterly numbers aren't high enough then the Wall street mongoloids get all worked up and freak out. In the good old days, companies used to put employees and customers slightly ahead of shareholders as far as order of importance.

Now? It's like 90% stroking the shareholder weenie and 10% for everything else.

The problem with this is that it can stifle innovation and reduce quality. It's hard to develop products long term and have a longer term vision when some hedge fund gorilla is breathing down your neck. Ya know, these guys need another mega yacht and two more mansions.... Right? :rolleyes:
Click to expand...


LOL. Have you ever owned AAPL or followed it? Steve rather famously didn't care about shareholders. Apple seems to be kinder to shareholders lately but whether or not they add another 1GB of RAM to the iPad would have virtually zero effect on the price of the stock.The number one driver for AAPL price is the rate of iPhone sales.
 
Apple produces better products. They cost more because they are better not because Apple is gouging you.



There are a few apple products (mac mini) that are basically ripoffs. But it's your fault for being so enthused about "cheap" macs.


What I don't understand is you people who whine about costs so much. Owning a mac is peanuts compared to all the headaches and replacements I'd have to go through with any alternative ecosystem. Macs also become a much better value when you don't buy THE CHEAPEST or THE MOST EXPENSIVE one.


TL;DR YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR

----------

And are we actually now complaining that instead of 32GB you get 64GB on the first upgrade? You miss that "cozy" feeling when your NAND was about to fill up?




The more I read this forum the more it would appear to be 70% people who either have received apple products as gifts but can never afford them on their own.... or people who just can't afford apple products and want to complain.





Kids, stay in school.
 
2IS said:
Right, because no one has ever needed storage considerations between 16-32GB. I mean... Besides the millions of 32GB ipads and iPhones sold in the past. We'll just ignore all those. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

The person you replied to is correct. There isn't a reason for Apple to make the 32GB model the base model. They sell millions of 16's and all the people who buy an iPad with more storage increase apple's profit line. For apple it's a win win.
 
apple want profits because they are greedy. They are so greedy they would put a7 chip in mini 3. They are greedy that they use last year model GPU for 5k iMac . They are so greedy that 5k iMac can't be used as secondary monitor.

----------
12vElectronics said:
Why are people so against companies making profits?
Click to expand...

quality of products....degraded.
 
ditzy said:
The person you replied to is correct. There isn't a reason for Apple to make the 32GB model the base model. They sell millions of 16's and all the people who buy an iPad with more storage increase apple's profit line. For apple it's a win win.
Click to expand...

I understand the "for Apple" part which is key in your post. I realize I'm in the minority around here when I say, I'm more concerned with what's best for me as a consumer than what I as a consumer can do for Apple.
 
Why is Apple more worried about profit that innovation??

Because you can't pay your bills and buy nice things with abstract concepts like innovation. :rolleyes:

What's more, additional RAM and storage isn't innovation. The real question everyone is asking is why isn't Apple giving people more? That's a fair question, even though the answer is the same. Why give more when you can make greater profit offering less and most people don't seem to mind? But just improving specs is not innovation.
 
jmantn said:
As a shareholder who Apple made six figures for with money made from my service in the military, they can make us shareholders happy for years to come and you as well if you ever invested.
Click to expand...


Never said it was wrong, that's the point of a business. Just agreeing in that's what they are doing.
 
2IS said:
I understand the "for Apple" part which is key in your post. I realize I'm in the minority around here when I say, I'm more concerned with what's best for me as a consumer than what I as a consumer can do for Apple.
Click to expand...

Nobody around here is concerned with "what they can do for Apple". Is that your way of implying that anybody that disagrees with your perception of Apple is a shill?

I buy Apple products because they do what I want them to do in the way I want them to do it. If they don't (Magic Mouse, Apple TV, iMac, Mac Pro), I don't buy them.

I suspect that many people here feel the same way, they just don't complain about the products they don't like.
 
IMO, it's both.

Think of it this way. You can now get a 64gb iPad at the same price of a previous 32gb model. You have not really lost out in any way.
 
Stop buying their obsolete products. You'll wipe the stupid grin off Tim Cook's face, really fast.
 
Alith said:
16GB is overkill for most enterprise iPads. We have a whole bunch at work and they get used for a small handful of specific work-related apps. Even 8GB would be overkill for that service's needs.

People just forget that not every iPad is going into a consumer home and crammed with content.
Click to expand...

And let's not forget schools as well, which purchase iPads in bulk just to run some educational and productivity apps. They don't even come close to using 16GB of storage. It's true that many iPads are bought just to be mobile internet devices are to run certain specialized apps, not to store media and games.
 
For every spec people harp on and on about the latest Apple gadget not having, they often overlook the specs that are in every Apple product, and are usually missing from the competition's.

Examples:
Genius Bar
Physical stores
Home Sharing
Family Sharing
iCloud integration
Extensive suite of free cross platform software

Oh and the big intangible spec; desire.

This isn't to say the iPad couldn't use more RAM. It could. But RAM specs and the like are the domain of companies trying to overcome the handicap of lack of inherent desire for their products. They try to woo us with over the top RAM and capacity, to compensate for the basic fact that the products they are selling are low in the juju departmartment.

The millions Apple saves on that extra GB of RAM this year go directly into the R&D coffers for next year, and result in new products, new software advancements, etc.

Does the sheer volume of food at a strip mall buffet make for a better dining experience than a Michelin star restaurant with a small focussed menu?

See you at French Laundry.
 
Because they are responsible to their shareholders... profit is what drives stock prices. And increase in stock prices is what makes :apple: shareholders cough icahn cough, happy:rolleyes:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back