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I don't want a single processor desktop gratuitously made out of server components.
Take a Core i7 chip and add ECC. That's all the W35xx parts are. :eek: ;)

Great solution for a workstation, and is less expensive to go this way. It can work on Core i7 boards, and the ECC functions enable when it recognizes the chip, as it's controlled by the firmware.

The new Quad core models don't use a DP board, so they're taking this route as well. Seems a tad expensive, even for people used to an "Apple tax". :eek: :(
 
The single processor Mac Pro uses a Xeon W3520 which is considered a server CPU. I don't understand the x86 comment.....

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Maybe the X86 comment stems from the fact that to all intents and purposes the W3520 is the same as the consumer i7 920, it's just got EEC enabled.
 
x86 usually implies 32-bit....hence I don't get the comment.

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Well yeah, maybe he should have said x86-64, or x64, or i7, but I don't think no one really cares, I think I got the point and I'm still guessing the post was referring to the fact that some could see the base mac pros CPU as a 'Glorified' consumer desktop CPU, and the cheapest i7 at that, rather than a server/workstation CPU.

But that's not an argument I'm gonna get into, because I've already stubbornly made my mind up :)
 
I see the word extending to duty as well as power.

e.g. The second of the home i7's I'm building is based around the P6T6 with a glorified-or-not single Nehalem - into which I intend to eventually stick two or three C1060's as well as obviously a GPU (a road not open with any Pro). Cooling will be accounted for better than the Pro. I think the result would probably qualify as a workstation.
 
I think we need to reserve judgment until people start receiving theirs and posting impressions on the Internet.

I say this because I upgraded my PC from C2D to i7 and it was noticeably faster -- not just in benchmarks, but humanly perceptible. People may be pleasantly surprised.
 
Sesshi... you seem to have hoards of knowledge at your disposal, and work in this fantastic building with every computer model and design ever made at your fingertips, and a near bottom-less reserve of cash for upgrading and fixing. And you also seem to work at a company that has every computer in the building wrapped up at 100% CPU usage and constant data access.

However, when are you actually working? You post on here like a madman all day long, or so it seems.
 
I see the word extending to duty as well as power.

e.g. The second of the home i7's I'm building is based around the P6T6 with a glorified-or-not single Nehalem - into which I intend to eventually stick two or three C1060's as well as obviously a GPU (a road not open with any Pro). Cooling will be accounted for better than the Pro. I think the result would probably qualify as a workstation.
I just finished a build with that board. :D Only needed a single graphics card (HD 4870) though, and stuffed it into a full tower case (PC-V2010).

OC'ed temp reached 85C @ 4.0GHz, now hovers betweeen 52-55C @ 3.8GHz.
 
Sesshi... you seem to have hoards of knowledge at your disposal, and work in this fantastic building with every computer model and design ever made at your fingertips, and a near bottom-less reserve of cash for upgrading and fixing. And you also seem to work at a company that has every computer in the building wrapped up at 100% CPU usage and constant data access.

However, when are you actually working? You post on here like a madman all day long, or so it seems.

Ah... you forget that I have global access to my key systems - including the MR-accessing computer, and I do that always through one single machine humming away in a colo which is always remotely accessed - through DSL/Cable, Leased, Satellite, 3G and at a pinch - GPRS.

To be honest I spend a lot of time travelling without moving sitting in front of a computer, which goes a long way towards explaining my expanding butt as of late. The rest of the time I spend a lot of my time not travelling sitting in front of a computer.

Perhaps my posts pack so much insightful distinction that they leap in front of you. That, or gasoline for the fanboy flamers. Either way it's nice to know someone reads my posts :p 8 posts a day is hardly a record for a workaholic no-lifer like me - check out some of the other guys :eek:
 
I don't understand everyone's disappointments with the new Mac Pros. First In my opinion people see lower clock speeds and think there getting less and don't understand that the processor is built different. See it as my 3.4 L Pontiac grand am isn't as fast/efficient/powerful as a 1.8 L lotus Elise. Sorry really bad analogy but it kind of makes sense. The newer CPUs that are being made "although they may run at the same or a lower clock rate as older CPUs, get more instructions completed per clock cycle". The new processors use less energy and get more done with less. Any way, my knowledge is very limited in this area but I do have an understanding that bigger clock speed isnt always better!

Second: I am not buying a computer based on its look/case, the cheese grater design is actually practical as it helps get more air where it is needed. I am buying it based on expandability to keep up with future products/demands with out buying a new machine every 2 years, as well as a ton of other reasons. SPEND the $5 on the FW connector and stop complaining about faster technology. I guess they should still use USB 1.1 because some of your old devices still use that!?:D

Third: The entry-level Quad is what every one has been asking for, and don't complain that the prices went up, I still have to hear it form my mom that bubble gum use to cost 2 cents. Its the nature of products in general. Plus the 8gbs of ram more than plenty that most pro-sumers need who buy the entry level pro. (by the way, I spoke to Apple and they said that you do "loose some by going from 6gb(tri-channel) to 8gb(dual-channel) for test purposes but you gain more in the end using 8gb for real use application."

Plus the new Quad core uses 8 virtual cores. imagine 8 actual cores as a wide open 8 lane freeway, 8 virtual cores is the same highway except with some traffic lights to help control the traffic, it may be a little slower when using all the lanes but all in all most users wont need to utilize all the lanes 100% of the time.

Fourth: I am buying my Mac Pro w/ this configurations:
One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
3GB (3x1GB) (I am upgrading through OWC to save $100):D
640GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s (I rather put the $90 apple upgrade cost to buying a second drive (1TB 7200 rmp) from new egg for $130):D
ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
One 18x SuperDrive (ONCE again saving $60 by adding second through OWC):D

Sorry If i sound rude or ranting, but this really isn't a bad update and i think people just don't understand the update and are jumping on the band wagon. So for now take a look at apples benchmarks, and I think most people will be surprised when 3rd party benchmarks come out that this is a good update.

PS by the way i am no expert at all but have been doing some research. A very nice lady at apple researched my questions and got back to me with real answers about the new mac pro. (she wasn't from the apple store, most those guys are high school kids with no clue) Sorry if my analogies make no sense, they do to me!:cool:

Compared to the last one, these are a complete rip off. The last one had what - 1600 dollars worth of processors for 2799?

This one is a 2499 machine with a 290 CPU... or a 3299 computer with about 800 dollars worth of CPUs.

It's an utter rip off. And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if last year's octo core is faster than your quad core for many tasks, expecially once Snow Leopard comes out. We won't know until we see benchmarks, however.
 
Yes, the 4870X2 would work well in lieu of a professional card. But for 3D I want a Quadro or a FirePro and for a top dollar premium workstation like the MacPro, I should at least have the option to get it.
Pardon my abject ignorance about this stuff, but will the Mac drivers for the 4870 drive a 4870x2? Will the card work in a Mac Pro chassis (power, etc.)?
 
Pardon my abject ignorance about this stuff, but will the Mac drivers for the 4870 drive a 4870x2? Will the card work in a Mac Pro chassis (power, etc.)?
No, Yes.

You have to install an extension, but you can get the X2's going under Windows. They won't work in Mac OS X. The difference is the firmware. Mac vid cards need to have rewritten firmware for EFI.
 
I think we need to reserve judgment until people start receiving theirs and posting impressions on the Internet.

Seconded.

I do think the folks griping about the price have a point though. The prior 2 were such a good value when they first came out.... (though lets not start debating that again... :rolleyes:)
 
No, Yes.

You have to install an extension, but you can get the X2's going under Windows. They won't work in Mac OS X. The difference is the firmware. Mac vid cards need to have rewritten firmware for EFI.

couldnt you flash the video rom?
 
couldnt you flash the video rom?

In theory… yes.

In practice, nobody managed to reflash a PC 3870 to work on a Mac. That could be attributable to the fact that all six people who give a damn about the 3870 bought the Mac & PC Edition model and the rest of the world hasn't bothered to find a solution. Perhaps the 4870 will kick things into gear and we'll see some EFI32 and EFI64 reflash capabilities for PC 4870s that haven't been crippled with Mini Failport.
 
In practice, nobody managed to reflash a PC 3870 to work on a Mac.

I don't think that is an accurate statement. Bruinmacs, a seller on Ebay, has sold reflashed Gigabyte brand 3870's off and on. So apparently it has been done.
 
I don't think that is an accurate statement. Bruinmacs, a seller on Ebay, has sold reflashed Gigabyte brand 3870's off and on. So apparently it has been done.

I stand corrected. Hopefully someone will accomplish that with the 4870 for both EFI32 and EFI64.
 
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