Why is MP so expensive compared to imac?

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  1. frocco macrumors 6502

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    Hi all,

    Why would a Mac Pro Quad 2.8 be more expensive than an i7 imac 27"?

    What is my money being spent on?

    I do not think it is much faster, but may be wrong.

    I am just trying to understand the cost.

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  2. Hellhammer Moderator

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    One word: Profit. Mac Pro is the only Mac with real upgradeability so people who need that must pay the premium. Apple knows that and looks like they can sell enough MPs to keep it worthwhile.
     
  3. auhlixer macrumors regular

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    xeon processors are 1k+ a pop also the mp case is pretty complex to manufacturer :apple:
     
  4. Hellhammer Moderator

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    W3530 which is used in base MP is 294$ each
     
  5. Monkey194545 macrumors member

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    Just think, if they weren't so expensive, you wouldn't see as many people buying and selling them on ebay. Consumers would be more inclined to just buy new.
     
  6. fortunecookie macrumors regular

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    Imac uses mobile hardwares. Mac pro uses desktop versions and are modular (open for upgrade)
     
  7. Hellhammer Moderator

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    Only GPU and RAM are mobility versions in iMac. RAM being mobility doesn't even matter, the performance is the same.
     
  8. frocco thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I did not know that.
     
  9. frocco thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Is there a big difference in the GPU?
     
  10. Hellhammer Moderator

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    ATI 5750 (aka 5850M) is just underclocked ATI 5770 so there isn't huge difference between them. ATI 5870 is, however, much faster than those two. About twice as fast as 5770
     
  11. frocco thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks, I dod not realize that when I purchased the 5770. Should have gotten the better GPU. My Return date is Dec, 26.
     
  12. peskaa macrumors 68020

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    Your money is spent on a larger case that can have stuff plugged in to it. So basically you're paying out the nose for PCIe slots, four accessible HD bays and an inter-changable GPU.

    That said, I had a 27" iMac for a few months and rapidly switched back to the towers. Yes the iMac was cheaper, but I missed the expandability.
     
  13. philipma1957 macrumors 603

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    The MacPro is more money because it allows upgrades and lots of storage. It also has 3 open pci e slots allowing for easy addons. Up to and more then 60 hdds can be done.

    you can put 4 of these

    http://store.sansdigital-shop.com/totr5baysato2.html

    on one of these


    http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer Technology/MXPCIE6GRS/

    since there are 3 pci e slots open that makes for 3 x 4 x 5 = 60 hdds and what ever is inside like 5 more hdds Imacs are not doing this.

    If you want lots of storage and connectivity get a pro. If you want a pretty machine that is fast but trapped in all-in-one form buy an iMac.

    If you are a geear freak have a Mac Mini an iMac and a Mac Pro.
     
  14. frocco thread starter macrumors 6502

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    That's what I am afraid I might do.
     
  15. brentsg macrumors 68040

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    Let's face it, they aren't selling these in similar quantity to the iMacs either. Prices are going to be higher when this is the case.
     
  16. gpzjock macrumors 6502a

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    iMac = consumer, Mac Pro = professional

    Apple have always charged a premium for expandable professional towers over their consumer models, even when the initial performance and spec of both has been close.
    Having had 3 iMacs in 10 years (G3, G4 and G5) I switched to Intel based Pro towers in 2008 and doubt i will ever return to the gorgeous but limited iMac range.
    If they were more expandable they would be more attractive and have a longer usable lifespan for business and design use.
     
  17. MacSignal macrumors regular

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    Yes, there is a market that will pay for modularity and the expansion capabilities of the MP even though the performance of the high end iMac is similar to the low end MP. If you are comparing the high end iMac to the low end MP, that is the primary difference in my opinion.
     
  18. philipma1957 macrumors 603

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    It is a shame Imacs need a only add an a few esata jacks to be a really nice machine. I know everyone says it will cut mac pro sales that is b.s. just make the esata jacks only handle 1 device. You would need 2 of them and the iMac would be what is should be a piece of equipment for pros and consumers.
     
  19. Transporteur macrumors 68030

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    I don't really get your point, but if you're saying that eSATA is the only thing that makes the Pro a choice for professionals, I think it's a little off point.

    Fast (100MB/s) storage isn't really a concern for all professional users.
    In fact, network storage is much more common than DAS via whatever interface.
    The Apple user group really has to come down from the assumption that all "Pro's" are working in audio/video!
     
  20. philipma1957 macrumors 603

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    no you are not understanding my point. My fault not yours as typing on the net is not the best way to describe what you want to mean or say.
    I want 2 esata jacks that are not pm type.. You can order a big hdd for inside the iMac 3tb or so. Then you can add a 3tb on one esata and you can use the second esata as an ssd for osx. non pm esata jacks such as the ones in my mac mini hack are seen as internal jacks by the cpu so those jacks would mean you have a 3 drive machine. while not as good as a pro is this would make the machine really good for any pro user with space needs. lots of pros have small office space and an iMac with 3 hdds so to speak would solve most of their needs. How many times have you heard this about a mac pro set one drive up as your osx one drive as a scratch drive and one drive for storage.
     
  21. dal20402 macrumors 6502

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    Part of the difference in cost is the Mac Pro case, which is a work of art and is better engineered than even high-end PC cases.

    Part, though, is just raw gouging.

    The prices for the high-end (octo and 12-core) Mac Pros make sense, because dual-socket processors are ridiculously expensive. But the prices for the quad and hexacore models are just way too high for what you get. The quad should start at $1999 and the hexa at $2499, which would still allow a nice "Apple premium."
     
  22. jonnymo5 macrumors 6502

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    The design of everything inside is just awesome. You get much better cooling and better board components to hold up to 24/7 use. If you just jump on for a few hours and then sleep the machine for the rest of the day then the iMac is a much better value.

    If you keep the machine busy then you reap the benefits. It is just like the difference between a light duty and heavy duty pickup. If you just get groceries or haul a boat twice a year it doesn't matter. But if you are towing everyday then the increased reliability and ease of maintenance really shines.

    Everyone looks at speed but workstations are made for reliability. You can setup a raid, you have ECC memory, you have a CPU that runs cooler, a fan system that keeps all your electronics cooler. Heat kills computers and the iMac will overheat in conditions that the Mac Pro will not.
     
  23. Monkey194545 macrumors member

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    $

    I think part of the argument is the high price of a mac pro compared to the "high" price of the imac (i know that sounds weird, i will explain).

    One can purchase a 27, i5 Imac for approx 2000usd. If someone wanted to build a windows computer with a 27inch monitor with the same res and all other specs equal it would be close to the same price, if not more!

    The iMac is a great value.

    On the other hand one can build a mac pro for half the cost. That's a huge premium for os (you can also build a hack) and expandability.
     
  24. RebootD macrumors 6502a

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    Quad = Horribly overpriced
    8 and 12 Core = Price easily justified by Intel's extravagantly high pricing for dual chip Xeon processors.

    That said I bought a Quad (2009) only because it was faster at what I did (non-HD/3D) than the base 2.26 Octo at the time. I still cried a little at the price vs value.
     
  25. frocco thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I hear you. I wish I could have afforded the 8/12 core.
     

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