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Why is Panther so buggy?
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panther and photoshop
I took the point that new operating systems are designed to fit the newest applications - and that makes sense. It was suggested by Westside guy that I upgraded my Photoshop 7 to the very latest version of the application. I have done so (to 7.0.1) but the results are the same - an error message on attempt to open Photoshop. I was so hopeful...any other ideas wise westside guy?
I took the point that new operating systems are designed to fit the newest applications - and that makes sense. It was suggested by Westside guy that I upgraded my Photoshop 7 to the very latest version of the application. I have done so (to 7.0.1) but the results are the same - an error message on attempt to open Photoshop. I was so hopeful...any other ideas wise westside guy?
Westside guy
macrumors 604
Re: panther and photoshop
Hehe, if I was wise the problem would have been solved. 😀 When I upgraded to Panther the upgrade fixed the problem for me, so we may be seeing two different things.
What does the error message say? Also, is it as soon as you try to run it, or does Photoshop look like it's started and then dies?
Hehe, if I was wise the problem would have been solved. 😀 When I upgraded to Panther the upgrade fixed the problem for me, so we may be seeing two different things.
What does the error message say? Also, is it as soon as you try to run it, or does Photoshop look like it's started and then dies?
there was a plugin...
I think there were two updates for photoshop that were just plugins. One was and altivec and the other was dual processor. i don't know what kind of machine you have, but if its a dual processor, that might fix it.
I think there were two updates for photoshop that were just plugins. One was and altivec and the other was dual processor. i don't know what kind of machine you have, but if its a dual processor, that might fix it.
Thanks Westside.
Photoshop gets about two thirds through opening up (racing through all its pretty pictures and miles of credits) and then before it gets to the end of the credits a dialogue box comes up saying Photoshop has unexpectedly quit and would I like to log a bug report with Apple.
I am now resorting to opening Photoshop in Classic mode (so at least I can get some work done) but would still like to find a solution that allows me to work in the otherwise majestic Panther.
Photoshop gets about two thirds through opening up (racing through all its pretty pictures and miles of credits) and then before it gets to the end of the credits a dialogue box comes up saying Photoshop has unexpectedly quit and would I like to log a bug report with Apple.
I am now resorting to opening Photoshop in Classic mode (so at least I can get some work done) but would still like to find a solution that allows me to work in the otherwise majestic Panther.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
When I had my Mac, ALL applications beachballed on the Save dialog. It was HIGHLY annoying to put up with. I hope Apple can find the cause of this and fix it (BTW, I was also using iDisk local sync).
hob
macrumors 68010
Re: Re: Panther can't open Photoshop
Sorry for the stupid question - but why is it unrealistic to expect this. I'm not a hardcore computer program, i'm a student - i make database frontends!! But, surely when Apple are making 10.3 they're basing it on 10.2. Why do they have to make such drastic changes to the OS that means that software that worked on 10.2 doesnt work on 10.3???
Hob
P.S No-one say "And stop calling me shirly"... Come on! At least a sympathy laugh!!
Sorry for the stupid question - but why is it unrealistic to expect this. I'm not a hardcore computer program, i'm a student - i make database frontends!! But, surely when Apple are making 10.3 they're basing it on 10.2. Why do they have to make such drastic changes to the OS that means that software that worked on 10.2 doesnt work on 10.3???
Hob
P.S No-one say "And stop calling me shirly"... Come on! At least a sympathy laugh!!
Fukui
macrumors 68000
Re: Re: Re: Panther can't open Photoshop
The truth is, most apps work just fine...such as photoshop (my dad upgraded to 10.3 and it worked fine), but sometimes, for some people, things do get messed up, for example, permissions, plug-ins, etc.
There are other things too, like when an app installs kernel exentions for its functionality (like VPC), these extentions could have been compiled with an older version of GCC and therefore incompatible...I hear its (the ABI) finaly has been "finalized", and changes to the compiler wont break things anymore. But this was the case with 10.0 to 10.1 and 10.2....
Also, some applications work around bugs and do things differently, and then when those bugs are fixed in the next release, application behavior can be not what the developer expected...or when apple decides to "depreciate" certain api's an app can fail or behave wierdly.
But, TBO, most apps don't need to install stuff all over, but the ones that do, are usually the ones that suffer the most because when upgrading the system instead of doing things clean, the OS provider cant possibly know all of the changes to permissions, symbolic links ect. that some of those programs and applications change, so yes, it is always better to clean install when upgrading. Especially, comming from windows, I have this conditioning where thats the only way I'll do it.
Well, thats not a stupid question.
The truth is, most apps work just fine...such as photoshop (my dad upgraded to 10.3 and it worked fine), but sometimes, for some people, things do get messed up, for example, permissions, plug-ins, etc.
There are other things too, like when an app installs kernel exentions for its functionality (like VPC), these extentions could have been compiled with an older version of GCC and therefore incompatible...I hear its (the ABI) finaly has been "finalized", and changes to the compiler wont break things anymore. But this was the case with 10.0 to 10.1 and 10.2....
Also, some applications work around bugs and do things differently, and then when those bugs are fixed in the next release, application behavior can be not what the developer expected...or when apple decides to "depreciate" certain api's an app can fail or behave wierdly.
But, TBO, most apps don't need to install stuff all over, but the ones that do, are usually the ones that suffer the most because when upgrading the system instead of doing things clean, the OS provider cant possibly know all of the changes to permissions, symbolic links ect. that some of those programs and applications change, so yes, it is always better to clean install when upgrading. Especially, comming from windows, I have this conditioning where thats the only way I'll do it.
Westside guy
macrumors 604
Re: Re: Re: Re: Panther can't open Photoshop
Or, you can get even weirder and see things such as in the latest Fedora Linux (nee Red Hat). Everything is compiled with gcc 3.3 - well unfortunately this is not true of the kernel, which was compiled with gcc 3.2. Took me a long time to figure out why I couldn't build the gol-darned NVidia drivers. 😕
Or, you can get even weirder and see things such as in the latest Fedora Linux (nee Red Hat). Everything is compiled with gcc 3.3 - well unfortunately this is not true of the kernel, which was compiled with gcc 3.2. Took me a long time to figure out why I couldn't build the gol-darned NVidia drivers. 😕
hulugu
macrumors 68000
Panther problems random...
...and I wish I knew why. I have Panther running on both PBs and my iMac and I haven't had any problems. I did a clean install with all 3, then did all the updates (when 10.3.1 came out) and my machines have all been well-behaved. I have a mix of Apple RAM and Crucial, and a mix of software, but Word has been as good as always (which is good, but not perfect, little bastard crashes three times a year).
Compare that to my work PC which locks up once daily, and this is after I nuked XP Pro which didn't work at all. Win2K is the best OS Microsoft has produced and OSX is so much better.
IMHO, Apple did a much better job with Jaguar, I do remember a few reported problems, but they seemed much less specific. I think File Vault and Font Book were rushed.
Hey scemo, a few suggestions only because they bear repeating:
make sure you test to see if that RAM is buggy, make sure the OS is cool before you install Konfabulator, check for a Starcraft update for Panther.
Also, because it is such a sore-spot for me, just because someone hasn't had a problem and defends Apple doesn't mean they should be called a zealot, I think it's an overused term thats too readily used. Apple Zealots do exist, just an Windows fan boys exists, and both annoy me to no end, just make sure to reserve the term for people who really need to be called it. Good luck scemo.
...and I wish I knew why. I have Panther running on both PBs and my iMac and I haven't had any problems. I did a clean install with all 3, then did all the updates (when 10.3.1 came out) and my machines have all been well-behaved. I have a mix of Apple RAM and Crucial, and a mix of software, but Word has been as good as always (which is good, but not perfect, little bastard crashes three times a year).
Compare that to my work PC which locks up once daily, and this is after I nuked XP Pro which didn't work at all. Win2K is the best OS Microsoft has produced and OSX is so much better.
IMHO, Apple did a much better job with Jaguar, I do remember a few reported problems, but they seemed much less specific. I think File Vault and Font Book were rushed.
Hey scemo, a few suggestions only because they bear repeating:
make sure you test to see if that RAM is buggy, make sure the OS is cool before you install Konfabulator, check for a Starcraft update for Panther.
Also, because it is such a sore-spot for me, just because someone hasn't had a problem and defends Apple doesn't mean they should be called a zealot, I think it's an overused term thats too readily used. Apple Zealots do exist, just an Windows fan boys exists, and both annoy me to no end, just make sure to reserve the term for people who really need to be called it. Good luck scemo.