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May be they would do it coming coming years, analyzing the success or failure of removing the earphone jack fron Iphone 7
 
The latest SE model having headphone jack...

The SE came out before the iPhone 7...

Apple haven't released any non-computer devices since the 7 series so it's a bit of a moot point to ask why it's the only one that doesn't have the headphone jack: If Apple release new non-computer devices with the headphone jack then the question becomes valid
 
The SE came out before the iPhone 7...

Apple haven't released any non-computer devices since the 7 series so it's a bit of a moot point to ask why it's the only one that doesn't have the headphone jack: If Apple release new non-computer devices with the headphone jack then the question becomes valid
Wouldn't the same type of "courage" apply to computer devices as well?
 
Wouldn't the same type of "courage" apply to computer devices as well?

Computers are a different usage scenario. Phones are often in a pocket while you're out walking or whatever, or on the side, while you're doing something else. The ideal scenario to push wireless in.

For a computer, you're sat at the computer, likely working. Where the same benefits of wireless headphones exist, but are not so pronounced. Additionally, since many macs are used in audio production, and ipads often used portably for music production too. They have a much stronger case for retaining the 3.5mm connector over a phone that is predominately for playback only.
 
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Computers are a different usage scenario. Phones are often in a pocket while you're out walking or whatever, or on the side, while you're doing something else. The ideal scenario to push wireless in.

For a computer, you're sat at the computer, likely working. Where the same benefits of wireless headphones exist, but are not so pronounced. Additionally, since many macs are used in audio production, and ipads often used portably for music production too. They have a much stronger case for retaining the 3.5mm connector over a phone that is predominately for playback only.
Seems like as far as the only/main reason that was given for it all--"courage"--that can apply just as well to anything Apple makes.
 
Seems like as far as the only/main reason that was given for it all--"courage"--that can apply just as well to anything Apple makes.

I can understand (well justify myself), why they made those choices. I think the biggest mistake, was how they chose to present and communicate the ideas.
 
Computers are a different usage scenario. Phones are often in a pocket while you're out walking or whatever, or on the side, while you're doing something else. The ideal scenario to push wireless in.

For a computer, you're sat at the computer, likely working. Where the same benefits of wireless headphones exist, but are not so pronounced. Additionally, since many macs are used in audio production, and ipads often used portably for music production too. They have a much stronger case for retaining the 3.5mm connector over a phone that is predominately for playback only.

Space is also at a premium in smartphones whereas it is much less of an issue in desktops and laptops and even tablets. Taking the headphone jack out to make room for some additional functionality or more of something else that is more useful (such as a bigger battery) seems to be the way to go.
 
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Some type of analog sound port is needed for the lap tops due to the large number of people that use them for music creation, production and performance. There have been no updates to iPads or or Pods since the change. Please note there IS still a headphone jack, it's just moved from ancient to newer technology. This has been discussed ad infinitum on these boards.
 
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If you look at a teardown of iPads, there is enough space that I think removing the jack will not happen soon.
 
Seems like as far as the only/main reason that was given for it all--"courage"--that can apply just as well to anything Apple makes.
Yet your ecstatic that Moto dropped it for the Z and LG for the G5. Stop your nonsensical blaming Apple for things that they weren't the first company to do.
 
Yet your ecstatic that Moto dropped it for the Z and LG for the G5. Stop your nonsensical blaming Apple for things that they weren't the first company to do.
I don't believe I've expressed any ecstasy or blame with it comes to anyone/anyone. Not really sure how that relates to me.
 
I don't believe I've expressed any ecstasy or blame with it comes to anyone/anyone. Not really sure how that relates to me.
No you just want to cry about how Apple is to blame. The jack is going to be gone on all phones in the near future. Why use a hundred year old port when you have a better port.
 
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No you just want to cry about how Apple is to blame. The jack is going to be gone on all phones in the near future. Why use a hundred year old port when you have a better port.
Again, nothing of the sort was expressed as far as what I've said. Seems like either there's some confusion in play and/or some words being placed in someone's mouth essentially.
 
Space is also at a premium in smartphones whereas it is much less of an issue in desktops and laptops and even tablets. Taking the headphone jack out to make room for some additional functionality or more of something else that is more useful (such as a bigger battery) seems to be the way to go.

In theory, makes sense but not with the iPhone as they are multiple devices available on the market today that offer the same form factor with 30-50% larger batteries plus removable storage, weather seal, wireless charging and more.
 
In theory, makes sense but not with the iPhone as they are multiple devices available on the market today that offer the same form factor with 30-50% larger batteries plus removable storage, weather seal, wireless charging and more.

That doesn't mean Apple can do the same thing though.
 
They are trying to get everybody to use Bluetooth doing that and getting some kind of wireless charging that doesn't require the device to sit on top of the plug will allow them to remove the lightning port completely.
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Wireless charging is hopefully coming this year which will allow that. It's not like they aren't the only manufacturer that did this nor were they the first.
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The G5 didn't have one either.
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There is no standard for type C yet. Which is why you have to be careful about where you buy those cables from. Also Apple is not going to remove a port that has the same functionality as the one that replaces it.

What lg G5 has a headphone jack , not sure what your taking about
 
My wife has been looking at upgrading her four year old MBA. She's also looking into the new iPads as our family one is about 4-5 years old. She asked me last night why all the new MacBooks (Air, Pro, Retina) and new iPads coming out this year all have the headphone jack when it was removed from the iPhone. She still have the iPhone 6. I have the new iPhone 7 without the jack.

I thought about this. I've been using Apple devices for almost 10 years now. When the iPhone 7 was launched Apple stated the headphone jack was old technology and the lightening jack was newer and better. If that's the case why does every new iPad launching in 2017 (based on good rumors) have the headphone jack? Why does the new MacBook Pros have a headphone jack? Shouldn't they all have the lightening port?

One of the other factors that I don't think has been mentioned here is that the analog jack port was removed to enable the iPhone 7/plus to become waterproof.

Yes, for me, it's been a bit of a hassle too, but for the sake of moving forward, I don't have an issue with the removal of the traditional headphone jack from the phone. Note that after teasing Apple for doing this, other phone makers are making the same move.

Regarding NOT removing it from the other Apple devices, I'm sure that will come down the road. Assuming that wireless headphones become the norm, the 3.5mm jack will go the way of the floppy disk, and we won't miss it.
 
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One of the other factors that I don't think has been mentioned here is that the analog jack port was removed to enable the iPhone 7/plus to become waterproof.
It doesn't seem like that was really much of a factor in all of it, given that it wasn't really something mentioned, as, probably more relevantly, there are other similar phones out there with the jack that are just as water resistant or even more so and essentially waterproof (given that the iPhone 7 isn't actually waterproof, just water resistant).
 
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It doesn't seem like that was really much of a factor in all of it, given that it wasn't really something mentioned, as well other similar phones being out there with the jack that are just as water resistant or even more so and essentially waterproof (given that the iPhone 7 isn't actually waterproof, just water resistant).
I don't think that is. But putting the headphone jack back in would mean removing some other functionality that is now present.
 
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