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I too want something in between the mini and mac pro. A Mini-Pro would be perfect. Heck, even just include a dedicated GPU inside the mini and I'll be happy. If the Macbook Pros have them, why can't the mini? Even if it increased in size somewhat, I wouldn't care. Something a little more powerful than the current mini, but not as hardcore and pricey as the mac pro 7,1 would be perfect. I'd buy it as soon as it was released. I don't want an iMac. I want the freedom of choosing my own display and peripherals.
A dedicated GPU for sure! Heck, even if they made it a bit larger to accommodate one, I'd be ok with that.
 
It's not going to happen. Thunderbolt is really an externalization of the system bus and thus provides a lot of expandability and flexibility for those who want it.

Remember that the Mac mini has never been a big cash cow for Apple, even when they were selling more desktop Macs than notebooks (that was a loooooooong time ago).

Apple will spend millions of engineer-hours trying to make notebook keyboard 0.5 mm thinner. They don't care about figuring how to shoehorn a slightly better discrete GPU into the Mac mini.

It makes more sense for Apple to put engineering resources into figuring this out for the larger MacBook Pro models because those machines are designed to be moved.

The Mac mini is a desktop. If you want oodles more graphics power, just plug in an external Thunderbolt enclosure and the appropriate card at your expense. It doesn't any extra cost to other Mac mini owners and thermal design is irrelevant.
No, I hear ya. One could only hope for an Apple device that didn't require an extra port or dongle to make it do what you want, lol.
 
Here we go again.

Technology prices change over time. What was too expensive/impractical at one moment might be viable at a later moment.

Your smartwatch isn't a 400MHz Pentium II requiring a 150W power supply running on AC current.

At this very moment, Apple has not marketed an 8-core Mac mini, but there is a 6-core model available for sale.

Ten years ago, there wasn't even a 4-core model. As time progresses, the price of technology tends to drop.

Right now, the currently available 8-core CPUs from Intel haven't appealed to Apple's gross margin cost analysis. But Intel will release more CPUs over time (search for "Intel roadmap" online some time) and the cost of processing power will continue to drop.

In the same way, someday the Mac Pro will probably have a 48-core option. But not next week.

Could Datsun have installed an airbag in their cars in the late Sixties? Well, maybe the technology was there but not quite affordable.

Trust me, technology doesn't stay static.

Anyhow there's a strong likelihood that there's a Mac mini with an 8-core CPU running somewhere in a secure lab in Cupertino. There are probably Macs running macOS on ARM processors. There are probably ten different devices that are vying to be the Apple Watch 6.

Just because it's not for sale today doesn't mean that it can't be a possibility in the future.

Remember, today >80% of Macs sold are notebook models and all of them have built-in WiFi. This wasn't the case 25 years ago. There wasn't any WiFi back then anyhow.

Macs themselves are only a fraction of Apple's total revenue; thus the importance the desktop Mac in shrinking. You can see it in the Apple Stores and how much real estate is given to the various products. I doubt if the Mac mini generates even 10% of Mac revenue. Apple clearly doesn't bother to update the Mac mini every year, unlike the notebook product lines.

Adding new CPUs will come to the Mac mini, but slowly and infrequently.
If they make a new high end Mac mini it will have a new enclosure and probably not be as cheap as the current configurations. Apple won't just make a new faster version for the hell of it. There will need to be a demand, and if there is a demand they can charge more for it.
 
Seriously curious. I can't find too much on it. I figure if it's in the macbook pros, why not the minis...

Because for desktops the TOTL iMac got the i9. If you want that i9 you have to buy the iMac. Eventually the processor configurations will change but as long as Apple is selling the iMac the standard Mac Mini will always be one step behind it.
 
They have been judged and found wanting by a lot of folks.

A mac mini with a Ryzen 9 4800H.

8 cores/16 threads, vega graphics, low power consumption (45watts).

Except most those people never go to http://www.apple.com/feedback and actually tell Apple, so Apple keeps iMacs as the mid line.

I've repeatedly told Apple I'd love a mid-sized Mac Pro tower akin to the new one but half the size with more affordable options. I know I'm not alone in wanting one but I'm pretty much alone in actually giving Apple the feedback.
 
Yes, the mini is the low end machine. It won't get 8 cores.

lol MBP got 8 cores. Eventually, your quote will be wrong
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AMD APU including Renoir added in macOS Catalina and 8 cores APU leaked for the mobile version. It is quite plausible to have APU with 8 cores + GPU for Mac Mini.

Mobile APU has both 15W and 45W while Desktop APU has 65W. Apple can use either 45W or 65W. It is possible to add 8 cores if they use AMD APU. The mobile version will have Ryzen 9 series with 8 cores. The desktop version also has 8 cores. Also, Ryzen APU will have 7nm which is better than what Mac Mini 2018 has. The reason why people dont wanna buy Mac Mini is due to poor CPU and lack of GPU. APU can solve that problem.

Oh yeah, Mac Mini had mobile CPUs but the 2018 version got a desktop CPU which runs much hotter.
 
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lol MBP got 8 cores. Eventually, your quote will be wrong
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AMD APU including Renoir added in macOS Catalina and 8 cores APU leaked for the mobile version. It is quite plausible to have APU with 8 cores + GPU for Mac Mini.

Mobile APU has both 15W and 45W while Desktop APU has 65W. Apple can use either 45W or 65W. It is possible to add 8 cores if they use AMD APU. The mobile version will have Ryzen 9 series with 8 cores. The desktop version also has 8 cores. Also, Ryzen APU will have 7nm which is better than what Mac Mini 2018 has. The reason why people dont wanna buy Mac Mini is due to poor CPU and lack of GPU. APU can solve that problem.

Oh yeah, Mac Mini had mobile CPUs but the 2018 version got a desktop CPU which runs much hotter.
And how much does the MBP cost"?
 
Why does the Mini need 8 cores? That's not what its marketed for.
what? Audio people jumped on it. we don't need GPU we need CPU and silence. it's perfect.

Yes, the mini is the low end machine. It won't get 8 cores.
no its not, not anymore anyway. It's not priced low-end when maxed out either.
it will definitely get 8 cores when intel makes a BGA socket desktop chip such as the 8700B in the mini.
Apple is putting USB-C in everything.
it's not usb-c. It's thunderbolt 3 and it has 4 of them, two controllers. it has more TB3 throughput than MacBook Pros and same throughput as iMac Pros.
If they make a new high end Mac mini it will have a new enclosure and probably not be as cheap as the current configurations. Apple won't just make a new faster version for the hell of it. There will need to be a demand, and if there is a demand they can charge more for it.
what?
apple consistently offers upgrades for their computers. MacBook 15" got a 4 to 6 to 8 core bumps during the course of pretty much a year.

There's a demand for a faster mini, for everyone doing audio that can't justify a Mac Pro 2019.

And how much does the MBP cost"?
Not significantly more once you add a Retina display and all the peripherals to the mini...
 
Does it really matter? Especially for a high-end laptop? Also, AMD APU is a lot cheaper.
Is the mini considered a high end machine? Would Apple rather you buy the next best model over expanding the mini? What incentive does Apple have to make the mini faster when they can up sell you to an iMac.
 
Is the mini considered a high end machine? Would Apple rather you buy the next best model over expanding the mini? What incentive does Apple have to make the mini faster when they can up sell you to an iMac.
because a lot of people don't want an all-in-one. i have a studio, i don't want an imac blowing **** in my face, and the new mac pro is clearly aimed at video...

imac is also not suitable for machine rooms or isoboxes.
 
because a lot of people don't want an all-in-one. i have a studio, i don't want an imac blowing **** in my face, and the new mac pro is clearly aimed at video...

imac is also not suitable for machine rooms or isoboxes.
The Mac Pro is aimed at production houses that can afford to spend $52,000 on a setup.
 
The Mac Pro is aimed at production houses that can afford to spend $52,000 on a setup.

Well yeah, clearly.
Aside largest post production studios, most audio and especially music studios aren't that.
They're also largely unnecessary and overkill in that regard...

so what you're saying is: get a 52000$ desktop or f#%-off?
 
Is the mini considered a high end machine? Would Apple rather you buy the next best model over expanding the mini? What incentive does Apple have to make the mini faster when they can up sell you to an iMac.

Why not? Mac Mini had been used as a rendering farm and server for a long time.

And seriously, iMac didnt change internally since 2012.

Also, 8 cores isnt expansive any more.
 
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Well yeah, clearly.
Aside largest post production studios, most audio and especially music studios aren't that.
They're also largely unnecessary and overkill in that regard...

so what you're saying is: get a 52000$ desktop or f#%-off?
I'm saying I don't think Apple wants to market the mini to anyone but low end pc users. I could see Apple creating a new device that caters to creators that is a little more pricey.
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Why not? Mac Mini had been used as a rendering farm and server for a long time.

And seriously, iMac didnt change internally since 2012.

Also, 8 cores isnt expansive any more.
To make it a render farm you need to chain multiples together. I don't think Apple was marketing the mini to a semi-professional market.
 
I'm saying I don't think Apple wants to market the mini to anyone but low end pc users. I could see Apple creating a new device that caters to creators that is a little more pricey.
Well i3 as low end, and i7 to audio studios that aren't huge production houses.
Maxed out Mini is a little pricier, and i wouldn't might paying an extra if they make a "mini pro" AT ALL. if they made the CPU in a non-soldered LGA socket, even better.
they can just increase the height and add two more tb3 ports as far as im concerned and ill gladly pay 40% more for it
 
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I'm saying I don't think Apple wants to market the mini to anyone but low end pc users. I could see Apple creating a new device that caters to creators that is a little more pricey.

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Totally wrong. It even supports 10 gigabit ethernet.
 
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