Why Macs are better than PC's?

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by tony3dd, Jul 18, 2015.

  1. Demigod Mac macrumors 6502a

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    "better" is the wrong word to use. It depends on what you use the computer for.

    Gaming? PC, no contest.
    Price/performance ratio? PC.
    Cutting edge hardware? PC.

    Need a stable, reliable OS? Mac.
    Need a better designed OS with better workflow? Mac. (this is an opinion; I can understand why some would prefer Windows)
    Peace of mind knowing you are almost never the target of malware and junkware? Mac. (even if you are smart enough to avoid them, it's a nice extra layer of security)

    Most importantly,
    Are you a creative professional or scientist who simply does not have time to tinker and troubleshoot your system when issues arise and need A+ grade support with lightning fast turnaround time from a single vendor? Mac. Time is money to a lot of people; PC advocates rarely factor this in when arguing price. A client isn't going to accept that you couldn't meet their deadline because your PC crashed and you had to spend a few days troubleshooting and getting replacement parts. The Apple Tax is egregious yes, but not as bad as they make it out - to some it's worth it because they simply don't have the time to tinker and troubleshoot which component in their PC is faulty and deal with that specific vendor and their poor turnaround time and terrible customer service - much easier to haul the machine down to the local Apple Store to get it diagnosed and fixed within a few days. If you're a hardcore PC gamer and your system stops working, no big deal, you just lose time playing videogames while troubleshooting the issue and dealing with vendors.
     
  2. AppleDroid macrumors 6502a

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    Because you're computer literate. People like my parents on the other hand are not and due to "oh that sounds fun I'll just click and install this!" mentality several full wipe/reinstalls of Windows have been performed in the last several years.
     
  3. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020

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  4. flat five macrumors 603

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    sorry, i absolutely don't refuse to see what benchmarks are testing.. i know full well what they're doing and what their results indicate..

    the refusing that's happening here is you're refusing to make a case for how any of those numbers translate to real world use.. name the software you're using, describe or show an example of what you're doing with it, then tell how much time you've saved by using a machine that geekbench presses 20k instead of one that's 10k.

    [EDIT] oh.. for clarity.. i'm not arguing mac vs pc and i'm pretty positive nothing i've written in this thread leans in that direction.. i don't know much about windows and very little about pcs.. so i'm certainly not trying to argue against them..
     
  5. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020

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    You've been told TWICE already in this thread how performance (numbers, proven by benchmarks) translates to real world usage here:

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-macs-are-better-than-pcs.1901607/page-3#post-21607833

    and here:
    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/why-macs-are-better-than-pcs.1901607/page-3#post-21607842
     
  6. subsonix macrumors 68040

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    I was refering to software components and the fact that the OS isn't sold separately anymore.

    Yes, but as far as CPU, memory, graphics cards (well that's going to have to be a "close enough") and SSD. Matching six Thunderbolt ports is going to be tough as well obviously, which makes me wonder about long term availability of internal PCIe cards for the Mac as well.
     
  7. flat five macrumors 603

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    that's a bs question if you're looking for an black&white answer because there isn't one.. it's completely up to the individual as to what's justifiable.

    i'm sure i could rummage through all the crap you've bought/consumed over the years which you feel the cost was justifiable.. half the stuff i'd say you paid too much, half the stuff i'd say you shouldn't of bought at all, and the other half i'd say you should of spent more on..

    if someone bought a mac then in most cases, it's a justifiable purchase.. it matters appox zero what you think their buy.
     
  8. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020

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    CPU is easily compared. Memory also somewhat easy. GPU... in the case of the Mac Pro, that's really easy as the Mac Pros GPUs suck, LOL. No wonder why theres nearly a 100 page thread about GTX cards and EFI... on top of the insane amount of other threads about better GPU options for the Mac.
     
  9. sartrekid macrumors 6502a

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    Why should anyone need to rationalize the decision to go with a Mac instead of a custom built computer? This isn't a tough question at all because it's completely irrelevant and needs no justification in any shape or form, in the same way it's irrelevant when someone opts to buy a car from a certain brand with parts that are harder to get/upgrade and comes at a heftier price tag as opposed to a car of another brand that may perform better, is cheaper, has tons more PS and better upgradeability. Quite a few people in this thread have stated why they prefer one system or brand over another.

    Comfort/convenience, user experience, aesthetics and branding are all perfectly valid reasons why someone might prefer one product over another.
     
  10. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020

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    And why is performance omitted?
     
  11. flat five macrumors 603

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    huh? real world usage means software is being used to accomplish a task.
    no mentions of any software or any using in those posts.. just a bunch of benchmark talks.. i asked you direct questions which would indicate your real world usage and you're completely dodging the questions..
    you're a hobbyist hardware geek that likes to pimp your hackintosh on the interweb.. that's cool. it's fine.
    but don't argue about real world usage unless you actually outline what real world usage you're doing.
     
  12. subsonix macrumors 68040

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    I guess that may depend on application, but regardless of what you think, you can find out what roughly equivalent FirePro cards costs from AMD.
     
  13. Hastings101 macrumors 68020

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    I'm sure your wife will appreciate you arguing with the son of her boss :p

    Disk utility is totes easier to use than the built-in disk manager Windows has
     
  14. sartrekid macrumors 6502a

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    Because performance is the argument you have listed as being the most important, whereas I've listed additional points that might sway a person to choose one system (or brand in the case of Apple) over another, even if that means that you don't get "the best bang for the buck" or lose a certain percentage of performance and flexibility (as per my car example).

    A Hackintosh like the one in your signature is certainly a pretty sweet system and a performance beast. It also is a great alternative for people who want the best possible performance without having to resort to either Linux or Windows. And yet, it isn't for everyone for reasons I've mentioned above (and probably many, many more), and in the case of a Hackintosh, going through the hassle of building it (convenience).
     
  15. ShadovvMoon macrumors 6502

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    Personally I prefer to use OS X, but I always have a Windows partition on my computers. Macs are highly expensive when compared to building your own computer, but you get access to OS X. I could build a hackintosh but I would rather have something that works without hassle (not to mention with my skills it would probably look like a potato and melt after a week).
     
  16. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 601

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    This debate always gonna go on for a while so...
     

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    McGiord macrumors 601

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    Some points:
    - Mac sales rate is continuously increasing outpacing other OS and HW PCs.
    - With a Mac you can develop iOS Apps. Can you with a PC?
    - You can run almost any other OS out there with virtual machines: Classic Mac OS being one of the most relevants
    - TimeMachine backup
    - Hardware wise some Mac models you have 5K displays, retina displays, fusion drives, thunderbolt 2
    - Parental controls (only parents will understand this)
    - Seamless transition from one Mac to another using iCloud or Migration Assitant
    - OS X upgrade cost beats any Windows license price
    - Metal
    http://blog.gameagent.com/wwdc-2015-why-metal-for-mac-os-x-is-a-big-deal-for-mac-gaming/

    Some questions:
    Isn't a PS4 better for gaming?
    Beyond gaming, for what else do you use the computer?
     
  18. monokakata, Jul 18, 2015
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    monokakata macrumors 68000

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    Look, considering the situation your task is not to have an argument, but to avoid one. Seriously.

    When the conversation turns to computers, start asking the kid questions -- questions about HIS computer. Ask him to tell you all about it. Ask him to tell you what makes a strong gaming computer.

    Ask, ask, ask. Then ask more. Don't condescend. Treat him like an adult who knows what he's talking about (because in this matter, he probably does).

    Pretty soon he'll be so interested in telling you what he loves that there won't need to be any argument.

    You go home, he tells his parents that you're a cool guy.

    Mission accomplished.

    edit: I guess it's all over by now. Hope we get a report.
     
  19. ActionableMango macrumors G3

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    Nice builds and pictures you have there.

    However, I don't feel I was being disingenuous. When cracked open, far more PCs will look like my picture than yours.
     
  20. throAU macrumors 603

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    Why do you care?

    Use what you want, if he's an avid gamer, for that purpose, PCs are way, way better than Macs.
     
  21. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 601

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    Man so much on that list is on Windows and sometimes better.

    - Mac sales rate climbed fast because they started from a very low position and then diversified their product range. The iPod and iPhone were a strong part of their strategy to become more consumer orientated and convert PC users

    - virtual machines have been on Windows for longer

    - Windows has been able to rewind to earlier states and make incremental back ups since XP. They just did it without a fancy time machine GUI.

    - Windows supports 5k displays and all that you mentioned. In fact those devices are tested on Windows by manufacturers like Intel and Samsung etc before Apple picks them up.

    - parental controls are on Windows.

    - Mac wins on iCloud back up and syncing, but only if people have signed up for that

    - Windows 10 is a free upgrade to nearly all qualifying PC and Boot Camp users. It supports machines going back more than 10 years old including 32 bit. OSX is free only to qualifying Mac users and won't support any 32 bit Macs.

    - there is no directX 12 vs metal comparison yet
     
  22. throAU macrumors 603

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    As someone who uses both daily...

    - how long VMs have been available is irrelevant. If you want to do cross platform development between OS X, PC, Linux, etc. then currently the Mac is the only legal (and officially supported) way to do it.
    - Windows backup / system recovery is available yes, but it is not promoted and far less seamless than time machine. you can not, for example reinstall Windows and restore your applications from a time machine backup, as you can with OS X.
    - Windows supports 5k/high res displays - BADLY. Resolution independence in windows is still a joke compared to how well it works in OS X
     
  23. lowendlinux Contributor

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    The hackintosh should never have entered the debate it not a Mac and not the kind of PC the OP was talking about. I started the hackintosh thread so other threads wouldn't be polluted with them. @flat five if you get on YouTube you'll see comparisons between the two in real world SW not just benchmarks but yes the computer operator is the slowest part of the system though for example rendering a movie after your done with it is all about power.
     
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    Yeah agree with that, though as generic test it's more than adequate to giv you a performance indicator.
     
  25. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 601

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    This is where I highlight that both systems don't exist in a separate vacuum and are not forever frozen in one moment in time. They are evolving to become better at supporting features the public and pro consumers need. They are also becoming more similar until one day the operating system itself becomes irrelevant - just a transparent background process run by an artificially intelligent network. Very possibly every device and computer will be running on that same network OS which will be maintained by all the big computer companies together. Arguing about the current state or past state of operating systems is like complaining Homo Australopithecus was dumb and couldn't walk straight. It was just a step towards the future.
     

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