Why Macs are better than PC's?

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the original thing i said to bladrunner was regarding his emphasis being placed on performance per dollar ratio..

using osx dictionary, we have performance being defined as:

1) the action or process of carrying out or accomplishing an action, task, or function
2) the capabilities of a machine, vehicle, or product, especially when observed under particular conditions

my point is that #1, which in my mind is the actual goal, is not directly related to #2

if i increase performance #2, in all but very particular cases, #1 will not be affected.

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fwiw, i don't think i've stated #2 is not necessary for the work i do.. just that it ranks very low on the list as to what's important.. besides that, it's very easy to boost geekbench scores because all you have to do is spend money.. spending money is easy.. user performance is much more valuable and you can't simply buy it..
if i spend a decade mastering my craft/workflow, it's always such an insult (more like humor) for someone to start saying how benchmarks are the endallbeall of performance.. master some software, put out creative/unique work, and geekbench scores are going to become much less important as a measure of a computer's worth.

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not to mention.. the major performance boosts i've experienced along the way have never been hardware related.. it's always software.. the code/algorithms have been optimized to speed up the processes with zero dollars being spent by the user.. my rendering application is 20-30x faster than when i first bought it.. i paid $0 for that increase.. in contrast, i could focus on geekbench and spend 3x the money on hardware for 2x performance increase.. there are much better places to focus on if we're talking performance-dollar ratios.
Thanks for clearing up your point , my fault for not reading the whole thread. I see the point you are making now.
 
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That makes no sense. Macs are PCs, I assume you are only talking about design, as performance wise they have the same Lamborghini roadster internals....
Could be...but I am talking about how Apple designed awesome notebook body like MBA so ultra thin...How come no one want to buy a Compaq notebook with better performance than Dell?
 

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I find it repulsive that people would destroy computers and phones just to get YouTube attention. There are very deprived people out there whose lives would be transformed with those devices.
idk.. I think it's funny.
and in a roundabout sort of way, it's telling of build quality.

I mean, how to car manufacturers test build quality? they crash the car.. I did a prototype for a sculpture last week which includes a skim coat of concrete.. how did I test durability? dropping it and hitting with a hammer. no YouTube views sought.

anyway.. I didn't mean to upset anyone when posting that.. srry
 
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idk.. I think it's funny.
and in a roundabout sort of way, it's telling of build quality.

I mean, how to car manufacturers test build quality? they crash the car.. I did a prototype for a sculpture last week which includes a skim coat of concrete.. how did I test durability? dropping it and hitting with a hammer. no YouTube views sought.
Lol. Car crash tests are there to test passenger safety. There's no real use dropping a laptop from 20 feet high or putting a phone under a ton of pressure in a single square inch.

I'm sure laptop makers do their own drop tests from shoulder height. But it's none of their business if people accidentally damage gadgets like that. It's the insurance company's business.
 
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Could be...but I am talking about how Apple designed awesome notebook body like MBA so ultra thin...How come no one want to buy a Compaq notebook with better performance than Dell?
You are talking about something else, thats called brand image which apple has...
thats the only reason they are on the up, they created "cool" not good.

"Linux freaks" - lol, so true!
 

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Ok guys, I need your best arguments why Macs are better than PC's. Going over to my wife's bosses house tonight, and her kid is a PC NUT! Already was warned that he will rip me apart the moment I walk in the door. I need really good ammo! Not the normal stuff. This kid is an avid gamer, and he probably has me there. OMG MY GOD I'm dreading this! LOK!
Reasons I like OSX better than Windows:

1> Utter lack of malware compared to Windows. UNIX in general is more difficult to hack than Windows for that matter and OSX is certified UNIX. This is a BIG one as I hated running malware checkers all the time and rebooting all the time after Windows Updates, etc. (although OSX isn't totally immune from having to reboot for some updates).

2> Stability. OSX is extremely stable for the most part (at least in the final versions of a given major update). By this I mean other than for a major update or something, I generally never HAVE to reboot my Mac. I have seen occasional odd problems crop up (like something flashing bits on games that goes away if I reboot) and in the past I have had full system lockups, but it was usually iTunes that was the culprit (e.g. my PowerMac could run over a year without a reboot most of the time, but there was a few versions of iTunes that caused catastrophic lockups and that was one of the few times where Apple did get directly back to me on Feedback and to their credit, FIXED the iTunes bug in short order that caused it (on two different occasions over several years).

3> OSX doesn't generally get slower over time for things like booting since there is no registry (which is also a source of crashes and other problems if it gets corrupted) and hardly any disk fragmentation. Disk fragmentation may not be the problem it used to be with solid state drives on Windows, but with a conventional drive it's pretty terrible (NTFS isn't quite as bad as Fat/Fat32, but it still fragments).

4> Easier to restore full system backups (Apple isn't paranoid about protecting OSX so you can boot from "clones" of Mac drives via something like Carbon Copy Cloner. OSX has no qualms about booting the full system from USB, Firewire or Thunderbolt external devices or even different partitions on internal drives (e.g. I used to have two internal large drives in my PowerMac G4 and I could boot OS9, OSX Tiger and OSX Leopard off different partitions and then backup the entire thing to the second drive and boot off the same partitions that drive instead if needed to restore another one all without any external backup drives. It didn't care if I booted off the original or backup drive. It made no difference to OSX or even OS9. You can boot off other devices for Windows PCs, but due to the draconian protections on Windows, good luck booting from a backup (it will think you pirated it and lock it up at some point until you call Microsoft for a code and convince them you changed a piece of hardware or booted off a new drive).

5> Windows 8 is hideous looking, but then so is Yosemite, so maybe you shouldn't mention this one.... :D In general, I prefer most of the OSX interface save a few things like multi-monitor support. OSX USED to look AWESOME compared to Windows, but Windows7 definitely improved with the Aero inteface only to make itself look like crap in that "blocky" looking startup screen.

6> Ability to run Windows (and Linux) either directly or in VMWare. There's no real technical reason VMWare couldn't do the same in reverse for Windows (i.e. run OSX in VMWare) except for Apple's arcane licensing that prevents it. Still, this is definitely an advantage for switching TO a Mac and being able to run things only Windows has).

7> Logic Pro. I love Logic Pro for making music and it's simply not available on Windows. I'm sure there's some in reverse for Windows as well, but the entire reason I bought my Macbook Pro in 2008 despite having a desktop Mac was to run Logic Pro on a machine I could move around for recording and editing in different rooms/environments.

Reasons why I think Windows is better than OSX in some areas:

1> Better gaming support from the OS and hardware vendors (good luck even finding Apple hardware that is up to snuff for gaming since they refuse to offer it). Drivers get more fine tuning in Windows as well.

2> Better multi-monitor support in Windows itself (drop menus are typically available on all windows as opposed to the top of the screen and until Mavericks, you had to move to another monitor to use them; there is still piss poor support for the dock on other monitors, particularly if you use side-mounted docks and Apple has done NOTHING about this for the past few years. Ironically, something like the Mac Pro makes it simple to use LOTS of monitors, but OSX still needs more improvements, IMO.

3> More commercial software availability in general

4> Longer lifetime support for older versions of Windows (Apple ditches support for older versions whenever the hell it feels like it while Microsoft typically offers at least security support for older versions of Windows for many years (over a decade in the case of XP). Support for my PowerPC Mac dried up pretty damn fast after Leopard even though many Mac Pros were perfectly usable for many years afterward in terms of hardware.

5> Touch screen support. Microsoft has already embraced touch-screen capability. This allows them to merge tablets with Windows for a hybrid product (Surface) and offer touch screen options in other areas like flight simulators for flight controls (just touch the switch on the screen instead of moving a mouse or trackpad arrow).
 

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Maybe some of this is user error... but still all about "preferences"

2 - stability, is subjective.
3 - slower, all depends on the tools and crap on the device. iOS is shocking now, much worse than windows (not a direct compare i know).
4 - unless something has changed windows employed shadow copy and it was a simple click on the folder and hit the previous versions tab.
5 - pick your fav colour. OS looks like windows or mac did 10 years ago.
6 - you can do that in windows virtual PC, and it was free.

Its all subjective....
 

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OSX USED to look AWESOME compared to Windows, but Windows7 definitely improved with the Aero inteface only to make itself look like crap in that "blocky" looking startup screen.
That's actually optional, you have the choice to turn it off if you like (choice is something Apple is actually very uncomfortable with).

Furthermore, it's not different than Launchpad. Both display giant icons of applications... but for some reason criticism of that went under the radar for Apple. Why? lol
 

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Could be...but I am talking about how Apple designed awesome notebook body like MBA so ultra thin...How come no one want to buy a Compaq notebook with better performance than Dell?
You also realise those designs come with limitations. The current MB with just one port??!
 

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Because that is what maximize is: make the window big enough to fit all content. Otherwise it should read 'fill screen'.
Your interpretation. Maximize = maximum size. Not "just enough to fit".
 

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I can't help but wonder about these so call "IT" guys now a days. Please pardon me as I'm only of average intelligence. First when I click the so called green button all my apps go full screen not sure what your talking about. Second I can resize a window by grabbing on any side just like your beloved windows. My fonts look fine not blurry at all. And last apps that are running have a little dot under them. Maybe you should step back and rethink your actual "IT" level, stick with windows.
If you had read my post, you would have realized the "humorous post" was from a while back. Before Retina displays, and when the green button did exactly what the writer said. Not yesterday on Yosemite. "Aged", I said. And I didn't write it.

Lighten up, Francis. Sheesh!
 

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I find it repulsive that people would destroy computers and phones just to get YouTube attention. There are very deprived people out there whose lives would be transformed with those devices.
AGREE 100%! These guys should get a real job! But hey, we live in the 'Social Media Area'... All NOT about the message itself, but just attracting attention! Wasting hardware of any brand on this stupidy is such a waste of resources indeed! And it is even a very stupid comparison, with non real sientific based tests. Wow what a losers these guys are!

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idk.. I think it's funny.
and in a roundabout sort of way, it's telling of build quality.

I mean, how to car manufacturers test build quality? they crash the car.. I did a prototype for a sculpture last week which includes a skim coat of concrete.. how did I test durability? dropping it and hitting with a hammer. no YouTube views sought.

anyway.. I didn't mean to upset anyone when posting that.. srry
To test real life build quality, you have to test under the same circumstances and parameters for all devices, the video is just plain ********* stupid!

Cheers
 
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I find it repulsive that people would destroy computers and phones just to get YouTube attention. There are very deprived people out there whose lives would be transformed with those devices.
Oh come on. They paid for it ... they can do what they want with it. That's like the starving children argument. My cousin destroys gadgets on YouTube to test their durability and whatnot and people complain in her comments all the time about how people could use those phones. If she didn't do anything like that, her career wouldn't be on YouTube. I mean she reviews gadgets mostly, but she'll occasionally trash a phone or gadget to see how they hold up. If you buy something you're not obligated to give it to someone else cuz they could use it more.

Having said all that ... the video is indeed ridiculous.
 

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Oh come on. They paid for it ... they can do what they want with it. That's like the starving children argument. My cousin destroys gadgets on YouTube to test their durability and whatnot and people complain in her comments all the time about how people could use those phones. If she didn't do anything like that, her career wouldn't be on YouTube. I mean she reviews gadgets mostly, but she'll occasionally trash a phone or gadget to see how they hold up. If you buy something you're not obligated to give it to someone else cuz they could use it more.

Having said all that ... the video is indeed ridiculous.
Durability of products are tested within a lab envoirement, any amature testing (like these lads) are plain stupid to perform and a waste of money, not to any use of the manufacturer/users and also not to forget The Youtube's viewers time.

I'm absolutely no fan of these videos! They're all fake copy-cats of "will it blend". This guy knows what he is selling and wants to prove that not only your bananas + strawberries and so on can be blended by his machine. Perfect Marketing that serves a real life purpose with a twist, IMHO!

But hey, we all have our fettish! ;-)

Cheers
 
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Durability of products are tested within a lab envoirement, any amature testing (like these lads) are plain stupid to perform and a waste of money, not to any use of the manufacturer/users and also not to forget The Youtube's viewers time.

I'm absolutely no fan of these videos! They're all fake copy-cats of "will it blend". This guy knows what he is selling and wants to prove that not only your bananas + strawberries and so on can be blended by his machine. Perfect Marketing that serves a real life purpose with a twist, IMHO!

But hey, we all have our fettish! ;-)

Cheers
When your job is to get hits because it brings home the bacon ... you get the hits.
 

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To test real life build quality, you have to test under the same circumstances and parameters for all devices, the video is just plain ********* stupid!

Cheers
it's supposed to be stupid.. i mean they filled old computers with 50lbs of concrete..

still, i bet you were surprised the air still worked after that.

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further.. if you need help finding the humor in it..
hint- it's moreorless a parody on mac vs pc arguments.
they realize it's a stupid argument with no real answer as most if not all points are entirely subjective..
so the 'ultimate showdown'.. 'battlezone'.. etc is playing off that.

that people think they're being serious or attempting to demonstrate a real or accurate or fair test is their own fault. srry
 
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