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Why no Blu-Ray option?

Madhawk said:
Blu-Ray is still too expensive, check what happened with playstation 3. They had to bring the price down to sell more units.

Imagine what the price of the Mac Pro would be with a Blu-Ray drive.
I don't think Apple is ready to jump on the bandwagon...;)
Maybe later in 2008...
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But if you look at the prices on some standalone BluRay, I don't see why Apple can't offer it as a built to order option... I mean they stuff the machines with so much high tech stuff, how about adding something that can at least give us some form of enjoyment watching Blade Runner on BluRay on a the biggest Apple Screen or a 50 inch LED Screen.... ANYTHING....

Yeah... I know, moaning and bitching about it won't make Apple change their minds... I just think their computers are lagging in many ways...

I mean we can see Laptops with HD drives... why oh WHY doesn't apple have this?
 
Personally I would not want to be buying any blu ray or HD DVD right now. Have to let them fight it out on which one will be standard, then I might think about a HD drive.
 
synth3tik said:
Personally I would not want to be buying any blu ray or HD DVD right now. Have to let them fight it out on which one will be standard, then I might think about a HD drive.
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Blu-Ray is just about ready to win that battle, at least in terms of studio releases. New Line just went Blu-Ray exclusive today, which leaves only two (?) studios supporting HD-DVD: Paramount and Dreamworks.

And Paramount is rumored to be leaving, as well.
 
As the 10.5.2 update is said to weigh in at 300MB, I'd say there are a lot of things on the horizon. It would be suprising if Blu-Ray wasn't part of that package.
 
It doesn't make sense to offer it.

It'd make sense on a portable, but I'd venture to guess very few people watch movies on a mac pro.
 
External Blu-ray drive

I won't buy a new Mac until it supports Blu-ray. My movie files are often over size. Here is an external drive with Mac support - LaCie d2 External Blu-Ray, DVD, CD Writer - USB2.0 & FireWire. It is a bit expensive but it is a step in the right direction.
 
Madhawk said:
Blu-Ray is still too expensive, check what happened with playstation 3. They had to bring the price down to sell more units.
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One pretty big difference: ps3 is not marketed as professional workstation.
Madhawk said:
Imagine what the price of the Mac Pro would be with a Blu-Ray drive.
I don't think Apple is ready to jump on the bandwagon...;)
Maybe later in 2008...
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You can already BTO MP to cost more than $20k. How significant is another $200-$300 to bd/hddvd-combo? Many people throw 3 times more to raid card.
 
I don't think Apple will offer Blu-Ray drives until they release Mac hardware and software that is HDCP compliant (this means disc drives, video cards, displays, and OS/Blu-Ray DVD player software). If Apple released Blu-Ray machines that were essentially write-only (in that they wouldn't properly play back Blu-Ray movies) I think people would be pissed and rightfully so.


Lethal
 
Blu Ray became sensible to release a few days ago.

You will have to give time for Apple to setup a contract with a source for the drives and get them to their manufacturing plant so they can be included in Mac Pro's. Then they have to get protected path to be supported by the software, and the Apple displays. Some patience is required for this one ;).

EDIT: LethalWolfe puts it better, but I am a drone after all :p.
 
Blogger said:
I'm sorry, but you've got to be kidding. What a load of Crap.
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Well at least you're polite and apologize before you insult my post... ;)

But, honestly I'm not commenting on the design, but the fact that they try to make something new and different. I just miss Apple's innovative designs and awesome power.

S'all...

;)
 
Eraserhead said:
Blu Ray became sensible to release a few days ago.
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Maybe offering bd to consumers became sensible for Apple only few days ago.
Mut this forum is about Apple's professional workstation which is essentially marketed for "creative pro"s.
And creative video pro's do have to be able to author hd videos...
 
toke lahti said:
Maybe offering bd to consumers became sensible for Apple only few days ago.
Mut this forum is about Apple's professional workstation which is essentially marketed for "creative pro"s.
And creative video pro's do have to be able to author hd videos...
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Fair point. Then they can buy a drive separately then, the Mac Pro has two CD drive slots after all ;).
 
Eraserhead said:
Fair point. Then they can buy a drive separately then, the Mac Pro has two CD drive slots after all ;).
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Too bad that software that everybody uses (dvd studio pro) comes also from Apple and since Apple doesn't want to support bd, there's no help from hardware without supporting software.
And if the whole hardware chain does not support hdcp, there's no help if one chain supports it.
So you can't watch what you're authoring...
 
Eraserhead said:
Toast works.
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and? what good is a burning utility when apple's pro application(dvd studio pro) can't author?

I guess they should probably rename the software. Bluray studio pro? or bluray/HDDVD studio pro?

granted, if I knew dvd studio pro supported the authoring of bluray discs, I'd probably be a bit more ticked off that mac pros weren't shipping with a bluray burner. But right now, even if there was a bluray burner option, there's nothing useful I can do with it.

I guess I could go ahead and buy CS3 since adob'es encore supports authoring HD discs.

So maybe this is calculated move on apples part. If they released bluray burners today, without their own software supporting it, people will flock to adobe. I can understand why apple might be holding back.

At this point in time, it's not in apple's best interest to release a bluray burner with their mac pro.
 
FCP has been an billed as an HD option for a long time now, and I think apple needs to get some HD distribution option quick. DVDSP has an option for "blue laser" I have not had the opportunity to use it. I have buned DVD-5 with h264 HD content on it that looks great and plays on the Toshiba HD DVD players. I almost bought one just for that reason, glad I didn't.

Maybe 10.5.2 will support blu, and the special announcement on the 16 will be DVDSP 5. Phenomenon seems more likely, but that isn't exactly super secret. DVDSP didn't get the big update when FCS 2 came out so it is due. Then people could buy the format drive of their choice.

There is a lot more going on with the Hi Def disks, that DVDSP will need a significant overhaul.

As far as Warners move and the end to the format war, this would have no bearing on the new MP release. Lets just be thankful Apple didn't wait until there was a winner to release the new MP.
 
sal said:
and?I guess I could go ahead and buy CS3 since adob'es encore supports authoring HD discs.
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Can bd-videos be authored with cs3 in osX?

Just hoping that Apple doesn't try to be so bold that they will never support hd optical disks saying that "quicktime downloadables" are better choise...
 
I just don't see a good reason to spend $$$ on a blu ray drive right now. If you want to backup large files get an external hardrive... If you own a mac pro I'm pretty sure you already own a HDTV with blu ray capabilities (ps3?). I can't watch movies on computer screens but thats just my personal opinion.
 
toke lahti said:
Can bd-videos be authored with cs3 in osX?

Just hoping that Apple doesn't try to be so bold that they will never support hd optical disks saying that "quicktime downloadables" are better choise...
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That would stink. I don't think that would happen the larger disks are still better. FCS 3 could come on one disk.

And the downloadable thing is still too far away. I think that will happen some day but not yet. For the mainstream population anyway. Most of us will rent movies next week just for the novelty of it. But they don't even have the SD moveis at DVD quality yet, so I don't think they will be offering downloadable 1080p next week. The 24 hour rental would be over before the movie could finish the download.:eek:
 
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