I like the idea of backing up a project onto a disk that I can then store in a file folder. I do a lot of commercials and industrial work in HDV. Most of my projects would fit onto a 50GB disk. Then I could put it in the same file folder as the original contract, script, and anything else. I already have five external drives and my 750GB internal is full of old projects. It would just be easier for me to archive things to disk rather than having even more HD laying around. Hook me up with FC Server and 10TB and I would be a very happy camper and never burn to disk.
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Why no Blu-Ray option?
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I like the idea of backing up a project onto a disk that I can then store in a file folder. I do a lot of commercials and industrial work in HDV. Most of my projects would fit onto a 50GB disk. Then I could put it in the same file folder as the original contract, script, and anything else. I already have five external drives and my 750GB internal is full of old projects. It would just be easier for me to archive things to disk rather than having even more HD laying around. Hook me up with FC Server and 10TB and I would be a very happy camper and never burn to disk.
Yes, cs3 is the same on both pc and mac.
Today, you could buy a bluray burner, install it on your mac pro(even on your MBP), get cs3 and burn bluray discs from HDV content. But I don't know if you'll have enough money left over to get bluray discs
...or you can wait for the prices to come down so apple(and their software) can support it.
There's no point in including a Blu-Ray reader/writer until Apple releases a Bluray compatible version of DVD Player and until Mac Pros become HDCP compliant and so do ACDs.
The thing is that right now most software needs at most 2 DVDs and its a darned sight cheaper to manufacture two DVDs than a Bluray disk. Games are the same, we just don't need that much storage on optical disks right now unless you're talking high definition video which editors would usually require to transfer in uncompressed format and wouldn't fit on a Bluray disk anyway.
If I had to get a large amount of data from A to B regularly I'd probably use a portable hard drive.
The thing is that right now most software needs at most 2 DVDs and its a darned sight cheaper to manufacture two DVDs than a Bluray disk. Games are the same, we just don't need that much storage on optical disks right now unless you're talking high definition video which editors would usually require to transfer in uncompressed format and wouldn't fit on a Bluray disk anyway.
If I had to get a large amount of data from A to B regularly I'd probably use a portable hard drive.
Still going to wait
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FCP was "HD" allegedly since 4.5. I run FCS2 on both my four year old G5s. I can edit fine but redering and compressing is S L O W. It was great to get the update (penryn) early but I will no way buy new systems until I can burn BD (via DVDSP).
Do whatever the h$ll it takes already! I don't want to watch a movie on my computer I want to DELIVER 1080P BD from my 1080P camera.
It kills me to see what compressing down to DVD will do to breathtaking footage! How many butt nuts out there currently own an HD camcorder of some type. This is not just for pros although we will be the early adopters here.
I wanted to be the first on my block to offer BLURAY delivery and charge a HUGE premium for it. There are people on the cutting edge who will pay.
It is really quite rediculous that apple has made us wait this long. Why can ADOBE do it on Mac systems and not MAC?
I don't want to learn/teach and new editng software so I am stuck and frustrated at this point. All I can do is hope that the 15th we get what we need.
Long time lurker first time poster.
FCP was "HD" allegedly since 4.5. I run FCS2 on both my four year old G5s. I can edit fine but redering and compressing is S L O W. It was great to get the update (penryn) early but I will no way buy new systems until I can burn BD (via DVDSP).
Do whatever the h$ll it takes already! I don't want to watch a movie on my computer I want to DELIVER 1080P BD from my 1080P camera.
It kills me to see what compressing down to DVD will do to breathtaking footage! How many butt nuts out there currently own an HD camcorder of some type. This is not just for pros although we will be the early adopters here.
I wanted to be the first on my block to offer BLURAY delivery and charge a HUGE premium for it. There are people on the cutting edge who will pay.
It is really quite rediculous that apple has made us wait this long. Why can ADOBE do it on Mac systems and not MAC?
I don't want to learn/teach and new editng software so I am stuck and frustrated at this point. All I can do is hope that the 15th we get what we need.
Brother I feel your pain!
I know it is a bitter pill, but HD footage on a DVD-5 looks great on a toshiba HD DVD player.
You can't get much on a disk, but people will pay HUGE.
I tried
I did try a few times to accomplish the HD DVD burn. Long and painfull. I must say after I RTFM and got it down DVDSP was ahead of its time on this.
All the reading I did on the various forums led me to believe the DVDSP burned disks (HD DVD) were not ready for prime time. THerefore my business model would have had issues.
Plus BLURAY just sounds sexier
HD
I did try a few times to accomplish the HD DVD burn. Long and painfull. I must say after I RTFM and got it down DVDSP was ahead of its time on this.
All the reading I did on the various forums led me to believe the DVDSP burned disks (HD DVD) were not ready for prime time. THerefore my business model would have had issues.
Plus BLURAY just sounds sexier
HD
So the situation is mad, you can author bd-video on MP with adobe's software, but there's no way to watch that authored content in OsX.
My understanding is also that you can't use boot camp to watch bd movies, since Apple's hardware does not support hdcp. Is it so?
Exactly!
And if Apple can't update the whole line in same instant, they should start somewhere. Windoze hardware and software makers have already done this last year or before.
Apple hasn't done any of that yet and the usual secresy leave us in the dark about future. If Apple does not include hdcp to their graphics card drivers, there's nothing that other software of hardware companies can do.
Uncertainity is the worst thing. If Apple is not going to hdcp/brd route, they should at least announce that, so I could buy other hardware and software than OsX & Mac. I'd like to keep all things OsX & FCS, but if it's not possible, I need to know that.
I'm starting a post production of documentary which will be released as digital cinema, hd & sd tv. I can barely wait for another week and then I should update to FCS2 to start color correcting & making graphics. If I need CS3 for authoring and standalone bd player / ps3 / windows equipment, my budget might not be enough and then I have to reconsider updating FCS.
I'm also interested to buy new graphics adapter to my old MP, but without knowing its possible future support for hdcp, I can't buy it. (Heck, nobody even knows if new adapters work with old MP. So much for upgradability...)
Apple might do same thing with hdcp/bd than with xraid update. Nobody's buing badly outdated xraid, because after a couple of years you can't get pata disks anymore with cost effective price / speed / size ratio, so Apple can just say that there's no demand for it.
Same thing could happen with authoring / watching bd, if everybody first need to buy windoze equipment, and Apple releases their bd /hdcp support too late, people might not invest again to OsX equipment so there will be no demand for it.
Like everybody does. That doesn't help for limited small scale distribution.
Or would you buy 100 hdd's and go to install them to your client's clients' computers and offer support for playbacking the content?
Hard drive is no good for small scale archiving in video business.
Projects are too big for Time Machine, hard drives are too unreliable to keep offline on shelf for years and some hardware / software / human error can always delete files on online disc. This can't happen with write once optical storage.
I did try a few times to accomplish the HD DVD burn. Long and painfull. I must say after I RTFM and got it down DVDSP was ahead of its time on this.
All the reading I did on the various forums led me to believe the DVDSP burned disks (HD DVD) were not ready for prime time. Therefore my business model would have had issues.
Plus BLURAY just sounds sexier
HD
Sorry, but what is "RTFM" read the _____ manual?
True about the disks not being ready for prime time, but very little in the High Def. DVD world is. I remember starting out with SD DVDs and there were the same issues.
I don't know what types of projects you work on, but I have found the DVDSP HD DVD (blu-ray IS MUCH sexier) to work rather well. I lot of my projects are promotional dvds. I deliver one HD disk and supply the player, for the client to use "in house". The DVDs for distribution are all still SD. And probably will be for still some time. This gives the client the oppertunity to show off in HD, and a leave behind that is ready for "Prime Time" Even a small project, the added cost of buying a player is worth it for the client.
I have been very careful, to let clients know that HD DVD and blu-ray are still battleing in out, and the player my be obsilet. But because it is for a specific purpose, the cost is still justifiable.
By using the h.264 codec, once blu-ray is an option I just make a new disk and I don't have to re-encode.