No, Apple simply made a choice. They left it to other people to throw a 'hissy fit' over Flash (gg btw).
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No, Apple simply made a choice. They left it to other people to throw a 'hissy fit' over Flash (gg btw).
Relax, I knew well before I purchased it that it didn't support flash without a workaround and the good of the ipad2 far outweighs the negative but let's not pretend apple is perfect and this isn't anything more than an ego contest between jobs and adobe.
No, this is a "contest" of trying to get Adobe to clean up their bloated and buggy software. I don't miss Flash at all - it's really nice to not worry about my iPad freezing, stalling, getting sluggish, etc ... ALL from Flash.
While it may be nothing more then an ego contest between Jobs and Adobe, it comes down to this. When Apple complained to Adobe that Flash did not work well on Apple computers, and Adobe did nothing about making it better.
Apple computers have had problems with Flash from the start.When Apple introduced the iphone, Apple decided not to include flash on the IOS. Four years later Adobe has seemed to show some interest in fixing that. Four years too late, as far as I am concerned.
Now as you think about the fact that Flash does not work well on any of the mobile devices, and was not included with even Honeycomb OS. Maybe you might see why the ball is still in Adobe's court. Perhaps if they can make Flash a stable system for OSI, then maybe Apple would not have the excuse that it doesn't just work
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Nice lecture professor, but that explanation still doesnt help when you go view a simple video on Facebook only to find your 700 dollar iPad won't play it, so I'm still wondering what your point is.
Use Skyfire app for Flash support.
I don't want my iPad to crawl in speed due to un-optimized piece of junk Flash support.
Anyways, lots of Flash websites are now migrating to more compatible HTML5-CSS3 code.
Sites that want my business should convert, as I don't like Flash, not even on my MAC. I use GlimmerBlocker to filter those pesky Flash Ads.
I don't want my iPad to crawl in speed due to un-optimized piece of junk Flash support.
Anyways, lots of Flash websites are now migrating to more compatible HTML5-CSS3 code.
Sites that want my business should convert, as I don't like Flash, not even on my MAC. I use GlimmerBlocker to filter those pesky Flash Ads.
Uh, look at who posted it. Awesome poster robjulo didn't like the explanation of why there was no Flash because hey, it still didn't let him watch Flash videos. Then he commands us to stop pretending and recognize that it's just this big ego trip, man. But I'm scratching my head, because that explanation doesn't let him watch Flash videos either, so I don't know why he thinks it matters.
from reading this thread alone, seems all Flash hate in here seems only based on that Thoughts on Flash, and blind following Steve and Co. I've used Flash on my Evo. While being slower device, with crap graphics chip (or completely lacking one), I had no problem with Flash. Phone did not slow down to a crawl. Battery did not drain and no l33t h4x0rz stole my data.
As you can see, Flash can work great on mobile devices. It's just Apple's choice of not using it. This is what I see it for. Simply Apple electing not to use it. Not because it's a horrible piece of software.
As you can see, Flash can work great on mobile devices. It's just Apple's choice of not using it. This is what I see it for. Simply Apple electing not to use it. Not because it's a horrible piece of software.
To the OP,
Bottom line, it simply will not work the way you want it to. Let's say it is implemented in iOS, we would be complaining on how crappy it is. Either way, we will never be happy.
Call me a Fanboy all you want, I'm one who is glad Flash is not implemented in iOS.
Bottom line, it simply will not work the way you want it to. Let's say it is implemented in iOS, we would be complaining on how crappy it is. Either way, we will never be happy.
Call me a Fanboy all you want, I'm one who is glad Flash is not implemented in iOS.
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Last I checked, the Evo isn't an Apple device. You completely ignore the fact that Flash is NOT optimized to work in the Mac environment. Congrats that it works on your Evo. But, until Adobe streamlines their software to not run like a giant load of steamy horse crap in the Mac environment, it's not going to be in iOS.
TL;DR - your argument is flawed.
that's funny, I went back through this thread and read a handful of people who said "I don't really miss it" and a whole bunch of people getting bent at some guy they'll never meet
didn't see any 'Flash hate' or 'blind following', maybe I should call my optometrist
Handful of people who don't miss it, it's their own business. I, for one, prefer to have the choice, and not to be told what Steve decides.
No need to call optometrist, but psychiatrist won't be a bad idea. Apparently if you did not see it written, it didn't happen for you.
Every product ever doesn't do things that, if it were a different product, it could do. You are thus told what someone else has decided all day every day in countless ways.
Yes, that I agree to. Problem is, I do not see Flash on iOS being a technical difficulty. Allowing a choice would be great. For example, click on Flash element to enable it, and then enter your password, iTunes-like, to make sure you want to see that particular element in Flash.
IMO, this would've been much better, instead of just simple NO
i've not missed flash at all, i've not encountered a site yet that has had an issue with lack of flash. if the lack of flash was such a big issue for iOS, then there'd be antennagate-like items on the national news, but since joe public don't even notice there being no flash, it's only an issue for a niche group. i have a group of friends who are generally not very technical minded and they don't care.
Apple told adobe to go make a version that runs to a staisfactory standard on iOS, the fact iOS does not have flash yet means Adobe can't/won't develop and demonstrate a version that works right for iOS. as some have stated, it can't even run right on a mac, hell it kills the hell out of my pc, after i removed flash from my windows PC it ran SO much better, i don't want junk like flash on my iPhone slowing it down like that.
Adobe just care about mudslinging, if they really were wanting to end the matter, they'd make and demo a version of flash that will run on iOS. Therefore they're the ones being petty, not steve jobs. personally i prefer the whole - it works right or it's not allowed attitude apple has.
Point is, Apple doesn't want to support it. End of story
If you need Flash then you NEED something else other then the iPad.
If you need Flash then you NEED something else other then the iPad.
How can you stand it, I would get rid of that thing fast it is obvsiouly an outdated piece of equipment.
I'm a PC user who's not missing Flash on my iPad at all, however, that reasoning is a bit flawed. Flash is a free addon for PCs which is either pre-installed or gets installed when and if you come across a website that needs it. Unless you have solid numbers on how many people actually use Flash regularly, I don't put a lot of stock in your numbers. Also, I think it's more incumbent on website creators to accommodate the significant audience that doesn't have Flash than it is for Apple to allow the use of Flash. It's not like there aren't alternatives available.
If the iPad or any iOS device had Flash or Java support, you'd be able to go outsides of Apple's ecosystem and gain access to things that now require a trip to the App-Store or iTunes.
By not allowing support for any 3rd party plug-ins, Apple guarantees they are the gatekeeper for all aspects of their iOS devices, so even if it's a search in the App store for a free app, that's still better for them than a user going on the web and doing a Google search for a similiar web-based app.
Another factor to look at, is that prior to Flash becoming the largest form of online video delivery, which it still is today and it's not slipping, Apple had no issues with Flash. It wasn't until Adobe added H.264 support HD capability back in 2008, that Apple started to sway on their support for it. It became a huge threat to Quicktime which for reference, all video playback on an iPad is handled by it and the same goes for HTML 5 video on a Mac.
I have an iPad and a Nexus One. Flash 10.2 runs just fine on my Android phone, which has a similar specced CPU to the iPad, just a slower GPU, so I know for a fact my iPad can handle it. It's a choice I like and why I have no care to buy another iPad outside of development, unless Apple introduces a tablet that's inlines with my MacBook Pro.
And don't believe the half-truths that Jobs stated about Flash. It was nothing more than a diversion. He states things that that were only true years back, disregarding the fact it has evolved and still does to this day. What's sad, is that there are people here that still willingly buy into his misinformation, just because of their zealotry for iOS, instead of looking up the facts. One example is about Flash only being for mice and PCs and not touch-screens, even though it fully supports multi-touch gestures and we all know that rollover states just don't work on a touch-screen period, so it doesn't matter if it's Flash or a simple hyper-link. For some it comes down to this, if they can't have Flash, no one else should either, and this is a vibe I get from the iOS zealots that hate upon Flash. Their choice was taken away, so of course the grass is always greener on their side of the fence, so they'll perpetuate the lies, because the more people on their side of the fence, the merrier and that way they don't feel left out.
So, as long as Apple has the mind-share, don't expect them to give into Flash, but here's hoping they slip even further, because Apple is at its best when they're the underdog.
By not allowing support for any 3rd party plug-ins, Apple guarantees they are the gatekeeper for all aspects of their iOS devices, so even if it's a search in the App store for a free app, that's still better for them than a user going on the web and doing a Google search for a similiar web-based app.
Another factor to look at, is that prior to Flash becoming the largest form of online video delivery, which it still is today and it's not slipping, Apple had no issues with Flash. It wasn't until Adobe added H.264 support HD capability back in 2008, that Apple started to sway on their support for it. It became a huge threat to Quicktime which for reference, all video playback on an iPad is handled by it and the same goes for HTML 5 video on a Mac.
I have an iPad and a Nexus One. Flash 10.2 runs just fine on my Android phone, which has a similar specced CPU to the iPad, just a slower GPU, so I know for a fact my iPad can handle it. It's a choice I like and why I have no care to buy another iPad outside of development, unless Apple introduces a tablet that's inlines with my MacBook Pro.
And don't believe the half-truths that Jobs stated about Flash. It was nothing more than a diversion. He states things that that were only true years back, disregarding the fact it has evolved and still does to this day. What's sad, is that there are people here that still willingly buy into his misinformation, just because of their zealotry for iOS, instead of looking up the facts. One example is about Flash only being for mice and PCs and not touch-screens, even though it fully supports multi-touch gestures and we all know that rollover states just don't work on a touch-screen period, so it doesn't matter if it's Flash or a simple hyper-link. For some it comes down to this, if they can't have Flash, no one else should either, and this is a vibe I get from the iOS zealots that hate upon Flash. Their choice was taken away, so of course the grass is always greener on their side of the fence, so they'll perpetuate the lies, because the more people on their side of the fence, the merrier and that way they don't feel left out.
So, as long as Apple has the mind-share, don't expect them to give into Flash, but here's hoping they slip even further, because Apple is at its best when they're the underdog.
In Short? Flash bites.
It's a power hog, it can be a security problem. I block it on my high powered computers. I certainly don't want it on my portable devises. It's 2011 and there are better, more efficient ways to do the same thing. I am glad that Apple is leading the market. If you want a device that uses Flash, by all means, go out and buy one. But I'm glad the apple portable devices don't support it.
It's a power hog, it can be a security problem. I block it on my high powered computers. I certainly don't want it on my portable devises. It's 2011 and there are better, more efficient ways to do the same thing. I am glad that Apple is leading the market. If you want a device that uses Flash, by all means, go out and buy one. But I'm glad the apple portable devices don't support it.
Here we go! The Fanboyism, Cult of Jobs and Choice argument.
Read this and please note that this is Flash running on a Xoom that out specs the iPad 2.
http://www.infoworld.com/print/157838
As stated, adobe can't make flash run well on a mac, so iOS has no chance.
Plus as I have stated, adobe are more to blame as they've not made and demoed a version of flash that will run well on iOS, they'd rather just bitch about it. If they turned around and showed it working well then the flash loving apple bashers in this thread would have decent substance to a debate as opposed to them piecing random actions and moulding them into a non existent hate campaign by apple against adobe
Plus as I have stated, adobe are more to blame as they've not made and demoed a version of flash that will run well on iOS, they'd rather just bitch about it. If they turned around and showed it working well then the flash loving apple bashers in this thread would have decent substance to a debate as opposed to them piecing random actions and moulding them into a non existent hate campaign by apple against adobe
You make a very good point.
Think of Adobe as an iOS developer. Adobe has to conform to iOS.
It's like I wanna run SlySoft's AnyDVD & CloneDVD on my Mac, but I can't. I don't blame OSX for not supporting SlySoft software.
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