Hi, as I recall last year MS offered users an option not to use those Co-Pilot/AI/automatic screenshots rubbish. I did not enable it and it seemed fine. Few weeks ago Co-Pilot showed up daily and I uninstalled it. Doesn't that uninstall all those AI/monitoring/screenshots rubbish? Why some people said that they are moving from Windows to Mac OS because of this?
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Why people are running away from Windows 11? Can't Co-Pilot be deactivated completely?
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1rottenapple
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It’s just internet outrage represented of 20 people posting and making videos making their number feel numerous than they really are.
maflynn
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Stats counter is not showing people fleeing windows, while its true that both Linux and macos may have have picked up more users because people didn't want to move from win10 to win11, the percentage is so small, that its barely registering.
With that said, there is a lot of discontent within the windows community, people are angry at the issues with updates, with MS focusing more effort on pushing copilot, trying to push recall, failing to address actual issues. Supposedly Microsoft has heard them and they're promising to focus on those things
With that said, there is a lot of discontent within the windows community, people are angry at the issues with updates, with MS focusing more effort on pushing copilot, trying to push recall, failing to address actual issues. Supposedly Microsoft has heard them and they're promising to focus on those things
Headlines always make it sounds like a grand exodus. Same thing goes for when people try and say Linux is exploding and everyone is leaving Windows for Linux.
I am not even sure what the issue is here with co-pilot. Don't use it if you don't like it? I have a new clean build of Windows 11 Enterprise on my new gaming computer. I have not once had co-pilot pop up and ask me anything, or try and get me to do anything. Am I missing something here where co-pilot forces its services on anyone?
I am not even sure what the issue is here with co-pilot. Don't use it if you don't like it? I have a new clean build of Windows 11 Enterprise on my new gaming computer. I have not once had co-pilot pop up and ask me anything, or try and get me to do anything. Am I missing something here where co-pilot forces its services on anyone?
It is a problem with this modern world. Anybody can say anything they like. There is no fact-checking.
From my limited knowledge of Windows' inner workings, co-pilot poped up few weeks ago for a few days. After I uninstalled it, haven't seen it. Can't guarantee if there is anything going on behind my back though.
From my limited knowledge of Windows' inner workings, co-pilot poped up few weeks ago for a few days. After I uninstalled it, haven't seen it. Can't guarantee if there is anything going on behind my back though.
VaZ
macrumors 6502
This is only because generic pc brands bundle their systems with 11. It's such bloatware i stick to 10 daily.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
That's because they cannot sell/install windows 10 any more
My personal experience with windows 11 is not bloatware, though many computer makers do add bloat. I typically build my own desktops, but I've owned a number of laptops, and I found Lenovo pretty good with regards to not having too much bloat
ClaraStahlbaum
macrumors 6502a
I ran away from Windows 11 around 3 years ago. Windows for me was always laggy, constantly crashed, and I had to debloat it whenever I updated it. I don't miss it.
I played around with CoPilot and didn't find it useful so I turned it off and later uninstalled it.
Windows 11 runs fine for me. I've set up my Lunar Lake laptop to look like my macOS setup and I can go back and forth between the two easily.
I don't find Windows 11 to be bloated at all and I get fantastic battery life from the Yoga.
I run software that runs best on Windowx x86. It can run on Apple Silicon but there's a sharp performance and battery life penalty.
Windows 11 runs fine for me. I've set up my Lunar Lake laptop to look like my macOS setup and I can go back and forth between the two easily.
I don't find Windows 11 to be bloated at all and I get fantastic battery life from the Yoga.
I run software that runs best on Windowx x86. It can run on Apple Silicon but there's a sharp performance and battery life penalty.
1rottenapple
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mentaluproar
macrumors 68000
windows 11 reliability has been slipping and instead of fixing problems, microsoft focused on building on a dependany on copilot which nobody asked for. You also cant really turn things off in windows as microsoft keeps turning them back on with each update so you really dont get to set things on a windows 11 machine so much as tell it your opinion which it will ignore after a week or two.
People are pissed off enough to leave. Some to mac, some to linux, some to a tablet and just not using PCs anymore which does suit many users just fine. I actually have a group of elderly users on linux in my city since they were overwhelmed by changes microsoft kept making that they didnt like and they couldn't afford macs. They are still quite happy with mint, kinoite, silverblue and ubuntu. And the scammers that call in hate it so its win all around.
Microsoft basically proved to people they dont need microsoft anymore.
People are pissed off enough to leave. Some to mac, some to linux, some to a tablet and just not using PCs anymore which does suit many users just fine. I actually have a group of elderly users on linux in my city since they were overwhelmed by changes microsoft kept making that they didnt like and they couldn't afford macs. They are still quite happy with mint, kinoite, silverblue and ubuntu. And the scammers that call in hate it so its win all around.
Microsoft basically proved to people they dont need microsoft anymore.
So whenever there is an update, check to see if that co-pilot gets reinstalled and enabled without my permission?
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
Different sku do treat feature sets differently. It has always been the case. Back in 2010, I was using windows server 2008 R2, the windows 7 server equivalent, as well as windows server 2012 R2, the windows 8.1 server equivalent, as my main OS. It was remarkably stable, though software licensing become a bit of a problem: I’d need to get license for windows server instead of regular windows, and that can be prohibitively expensive for personal user.
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
LMAO those fake “tech support” ain’t gonna launch their command prompt anytime soon, and syskey is not going to be present on Linux either way.
Microsoft being Microsoft I don’t think peoples contempt towards windows would die down anytime soon. The inertia is just too big for most to migrate to macOS or Linux. But if EU adopts Linux and open source software from the government level, things could change drastically. We will see.
I haven’t had that experience. I have W11 Pro for Workstations on a Mac Pro. It has never crashed. I’ve had more MacOS troubles in the same time.
Madonepro
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
ITs generally safe to assume, that any debloating actions to take on your windows 11 machine will largely be undone by an update. Thta's one reason why many of these debloating websites/youtubers also turn off the updating services, so that you don't get an update and undo the work of removing elements of the OS you don't want.
I've not had any issues with my Lenovo Yoga which was purchased last July. The only time I have to reboot is when I have updates. I have had a few problems with Sequoia since it came out where I have to reboot due to stability issue. But the overall number of times is small. I had to reboot my MacBook Pro last night for the latest version of Sequoia which came out on Wednesday. My system had been up for 62 days before the reboot. I assume the last reboot was also for an update.
JSRinUK
macrumors 6502a
I moved away from Windows to Mac a little over a year and a half ago. I’ve barely used windows since. I look at what’s going on now, and I don’t miss it one bit.
That said, I’m also concerned with how much Apple might push AI in the future, so I’ve begun my Linux journey with a Raspberry Pi 500+.
I’m not so loyal to any platform that I won’t walk away if they continue to push what I don’t want. An “OS” should be simply that - something that makes your system operate. Everything else should be 100% totally user selectable and user controllable.
That said, I’m also concerned with how much Apple might push AI in the future, so I’ve begun my Linux journey with a Raspberry Pi 500+.
I’m not so loyal to any platform that I won’t walk away if they continue to push what I don’t want. An “OS” should be simply that - something that makes your system operate. Everything else should be 100% totally user selectable and user controllable.
DCBassman
macrumors 65816
I reverted to Windows 10 Enterprise IoT edition last year for those machines that need Windows. I use some 11" laptops and not being able to move the taskbar to the left side was the final straw. Over the next year or two, everything, including the old Macs, will be running Linux, probably MX. None of my hardware is more modern than around 2013, so this is a good long-term plan. And anyhow, I only mess with all this for fun, so the least hassle, the better.
DCBassman
macrumors 65816
Odd, that. I've used Windows almost from day one, and only ever suffered such problems due to hardware errors/failures. Once the codebase was NT, rock solid. However, as mentioned up there ^^^ , I no longer use W11 due to restricted UI choices.
I have a Sonnet card with a lot of NVME storage on that. So with some work I had W10 Workstation version installed to one of those drives, then upgraded from that to the W11 version later on.
I had to do some workarounds to disable the TPM 2.0 requirement on the installer for W11. Then the rest was the bootcamp drivers.
It’s very simple to switch between them.
And W11 runs really fast on a 28 core Mac Pro.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
You're experience is in no way typical.
For the record, I've been using Windows since version 1.0, and there's been a cavalcade of errors, failures, and performance issues, from version 3.0, Windows 2000, Vista, windows 8, etc. BSOD has been a meme, thanks to the issues windwos has over years. My point is, its hard to justify a stance that there's been little to no problems with windows. There's been versions that Microsoft has hit it out of the park, Windows 7, and 10. Windows XP was a great OS, but it had its share of instabilities and crashes, not to mention vulnerabilities.
There's a dave2d video out there comparing a Lenovo handheld gaming unit running windows 11 and the same one running steamos. The steamos using emulation for gaming out performed the windows. If that doesn't speak volumes of the bloat and sluggishness of windows 11 then I don't know what.
I was and still am a big fan of windows, but recent moves and actions by Microsoft, has caused me to not only lose faith inn the direction of windows, but I prefer not to be forced to use an operating system that requires an online account where my decryption keys are handed over to the government and/or my actions, interactions and typing is recorded and sent to the mothership in various forms.
Windows 11, has more negatives then positives at this point. Microsoft has promised renewed attention regarding the quality of life stuff and pulling back on the copilot integration as well. Yet at this stage, its hard to recommend given the increasing telemetry being sent, the advertisements, and senseless insertion of copilot into every nook and cranny of the system.