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Don't think that is true
Maybe true for office, but not for windows. I don't want to say MS takes a blind eye but given how they force the online account and telemetry, they largely let anyone install windows because they know their data, and information will be broadcasted to the mothership
 
I'm peeved at Microsoft because they make a big deal of:
1. Firing their engineers
2. Forcing their engineers to use AI
3. Push updates that are designed to extract money out of me
4. Quality is decreasing.

There's a clear line from Windows 8 (which I agree was both a good foundation, but had a firm direction, even if no one liked it) to Windows 11, which has no direction and poor quality control.

I don't pay money to Microsoft, so I'm not sure I can call it en********ation, but Microsoft's decisions have directly impacted where I spend money on computers.
 
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I don't pay money to Microsoft, so I'm not sure I can call it en********ation, but Microsoft's decisions have directly impacted where I spend money on computers.
I'm a drop in the bucket, but my subscription will not auto-renew when it expires. MS will not be getting any more money out of me. I found for a time, having an office sub made sense, but that day has long passed and only inertia was keeping me paying. That has since changed
 
I am running away because I am sick of Microsoft over promising and under delivering. Phone, RT, Gaming, Cloud. It's all over promise under deliver.
 
I am running away because I am sick of Microsoft over promising and under delivering. Phone, RT, Gaming, Cloud. It's all over promise under deliver.
Yeah I am using Windows 11 and not Mac at this point, but you are not wrong. In an alternate reality, I am using my awesome Windows Phone Zune edition and watching movies and music from the Movies and TV app.

Still, Apple is doing a lot of things lately that signify a bad direction as well. I really am not a fan of what they did to iWork and the Walled Garden in general is very expensive.

With a little elbow grease I can bend Windows to do what I need to do.
 
Apple is the budget choice now. The performance from the macbooks for creative work is just to good. To get a Windows system to perform as good for video and photo editing work you need to spend 5g instead of 2200 for a macbook. For gaming 100 percent windows. For other stuff like video editing mac is the best.

Also the polish on the hardware is so good too. My ipad that I am on now feels better than any android or windows tablet I have used in the past. I guess it's just time for a change for me after using windows since 3.11.

Oh, my nokia 1020 is still my favorite phone I have ever owned.
 
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Yeah I am using Windows 11 and not Mac at this point,
I'm mostly back to using my desktop with cachyos on it. My studio, while still be used, has been relegated to a secondary device. I was able to get a KVM that was compatible to windows (my work laptop), MacOS and Linux. Oddly, the prior KVMs that I bought and returned had issues with linux or macos. I finally found one where all three platforms work

Still, Apple is doing a lot of things lately that signify a bad direction as well.
Is it just the subscription model? Tahoe? Apple taking a page from MS's playbook regarding AI?

With a little elbow grease I can bend Windows to do what I need to do.
The problem with applying that elbow grease is that an update can undo all of that work. MS has a habit of reinstalling items, services, components that were removed during a debloating process. Then there's the direction of MS trying to make windows an agentic operating system,so seeing recall being everywhere is just the beginning, though Apple could be headed in that direction as well
 
I'm mostly back to using my desktop with cachyos on it. My studio, while still be used, has been relegated to a secondary device. I was able to get a KVM that was compatible to windows (my work laptop), MacOS and Linux. Oddly, the prior KVMs that I bought and returned had issues with linux or macos. I finally found one where all three platforms work


Is it just the subscription model? Tahoe? Apple taking a page from MS's playbook regarding AI?


The problem with applying that elbow grease is that an update can undo all of that work. MS has a habit of reinstalling items, services, components that were removed during a debloating process. Then there's the direction of MS trying to make windows an agentic operating system,so seeing recall being everywhere is just the beginning, though Apple could be headed in that direction as well
You are correct, every update Freakin business facebook shows up magically on both my systems. Uninstall and poof it's there again within a day. I have to physically install from the MS store, then un install. It goes away until the next update.

EDIT: Business Facebook = LinkedIn.
 
Apple is the budget choice now. The performance from the macbooks for creative work is just to good. To get a Windows system to perform as good for video and photo editing work you need to spend 5g instead of 2200 for a macbook. For gaming 100 percent windows. For other stuff like video editing mac is the best.

Also the polish on the hardware is so good too. My ipad that I am on now feels better than any android or windows tablet I have used in the past. I guess it's just time for a change for me after using windows since 3.11.

Oh, my nokia 1020 is still my favorite phone I have ever owned.
Yeah I completely disagree. With the '26 updates all my Apple devices just....feel worse. And in addition, I got so tired of iPadOS not working like I want it to that my Surface Pro 9 feels superior. That said, most of that issue is "Return to Office" and I like having a full PC with me at the office that isn't my work laptop.

I have to agree with the polish on the hardware, but Lenovo is doing some wicked stuff, and I love my Lenovo Legion Pro 7 gaming laptop--still it wasn't cheap. Cheaper than a similarly specced Macbook Pro 16"? Yes, yes it was.
 
I'm mostly back to using my desktop with cachyos on it. My studio, while still be used, has been relegated to a secondary device. I was able to get a KVM that was compatible to windows (my work laptop), MacOS and Linux. Oddly, the prior KVMs that I bought and returned had issues with linux or macos. I finally found one where all three platforms work


Is it just the subscription model? Tahoe? Apple taking a page from MS's playbook regarding AI?


The problem with applying that elbow grease is that an update can undo all of that work. MS has a habit of reinstalling items, services, components that were removed during a debloating process. Then there's the direction of MS trying to make windows an agentic operating system,so seeing recall being everywhere is just the beginning, though Apple could be headed in that direction as well
It's a combination of things. Apple has just gotten very greedy with subscriptions and the like - iWork being the latest example. If I don't need anything but Pixelmator, Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, then the subscription price is WAY too high. These are not MS Office equivalents. They were great when included as a free substitute. Also, look at iCloud Drive pricing. Way too much. Siri is really bad when compared to Google's equivalent. I mean just ask an android user to do something like, "find my photos from the 'x' project last summer," and it will open the photos app equivalent and go straight to them. And finally, just the crap that is all the '26 OS releases.

That said, I don't use my phone for much as a developer and writer, so I will probably just grab an iPhone 17e at some point and I do also have the Apple Card--which I really like. (And Apple Music....sigh)

I just miss the days when Apple charged a lot for hardware, but gave you so much in software and awesomeness.

I feel like I am mainly hanging on for the Advanced Data Protection and privacy for my phone at this point.
 
Apple is the budget choice now. The performance from the macbooks for creative work is just to good. To get a Windows system to perform as good for video and photo editing work you need to spend 5g instead of 2200 for a macbook. For gaming 100 percent windows. For other stuff like video editing mac is the best.

Also the polish on the hardware is so good too. My ipad that I am on now feels better than any android or windows tablet I have used in the past. I guess it's just time for a change for me after using windows since 3.11.

Oh, my nokia 1020 is still my favorite phone I have ever owned.

I do 4k editing on an $800 iMac Pro and I got a 5k display, great speakers and great microphones for that price.

I do not need an F250 to commute to and from work. In the same way, an Intel laptop is a better tool for trading using my tools than an Apple Silicon Mac.
 
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Damn, Now I am rethinking everything. But what to get for a laptop? Asus A14? Surface laptop? Want a 14 inch size laptop that can do 3 4k feed edits for our vlogcast/podcast and photo editing.
 
Yeah I completely disagree. With the '26 updates all my Apple devices just....feel worse. And in addition, I got so tired of iPadOS not working like I want it to that my Surface Pro 9 feels superior. That said, most of that issue is "Return to Office" and I like having a full PC with me at the office that isn't my work laptop.

I have to agree with the polish on the hardware, but Lenovo is doing some wicked stuff, and I love my Lenovo Legion Pro 7 gaming laptop--still it wasn't cheap. Cheaper than a similarly specced Macbook Pro 16"? Yes, yes it was.
How is the slimness on that legion. Similar to the Pro?
 
Yeah, there's a whole cottage industry that has debloating scripts, which in of itself is a sad state of affairs. What annoys me the most is MS actively trying to stop people from using windows the way they want, specifically local accounts, not being forced to use onedrive, etc.



I think that's why there's a lot of frustration in seeing advertisements from apple, trying to promote their icloud and subscription services. We're paying for a premium product and have to accept the walled garden, yet the very things we fled from are showing up in the apple ecosystem.

There's a third alternative and I've not fully vetted it out, but so far I'm quite impressed, and that's Linux. I'm not trying to proclaim that 2026 is the year of Linux, but linux is now uniquely position to offer the best of both windows and macos worlds. The linux platform is still quite fractured that will probably prevent wide spread adoption but I'm seeing people flee windows in numbers that I've not seen before - if you are to believe reddit,youtube, and social platforms.

I installed cachyos on my PC, perhaps I'll do one of those 30 day challenges of just using Linux? it has a few rough spots like trying to mount my icloud drive but overall, everything I can do on windows and macos, I can do with cachyos.
It was macOS that killed Linux for me, once I discovered Macs, I never touched Linux again. Too much effort to get simple things working, and it was fun to muck about with when I wanted to use a computer, but when I wanted to use a computer to do something, I'd have to reboot back into Windows.

While I'm sure things have changed in the years since, Linux remains a labour intensive patchwork quilt of an OS.

I sincerely hope you enjoy it though, and that it works well for you!
It's a combination of things. Apple has just gotten very greedy with subscriptions and the like - iWork being the latest example. If I don't need anything but Pixelmator, Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, then the subscription price is WAY too high. These are not MS Office equivalents. They were great when included as a free substitute. Also, look at iCloud Drive pricing. Way too much. Siri is really bad when compared to Google's equivalent. I mean just ask an android user to do something like, "find my photos from the 'x' project last summer," and it will open the photos app equivalent and go straight to them. And finally, just the crap that is all the '26 OS releases.

That said, I don't use my phone for much as a developer and writer, so I will probably just grab an iPhone 17e at some point and I do also have the Apple Card--which I really like. (And Apple Music....sigh)

I just miss the days when Apple charged a lot for hardware, but gave you so much in software and awesomeness.

I feel like I am mainly hanging on for the Advanced Data Protection and privacy for my phone at this point.
I would have liked Pixelmator, but with the infrequency of my needing it, Affinity is my choice. Even before Creative Cloud, it cost too much for me.

iWork can be used with all normal feature and function without a Creative Cloud subscription. I know this because I use it. All the subscription adds are a few AI trinkets, so it's hardly necessary!
 
I mean it is the Pro. It’s a beast. Definitely not light or slim.
Yeah, My son has a MSI cyborg she's a chonky little beast. I want a 14 inch slim notebook with touchscreen and good graphics power. I think the Dell plus 14 2 in 1 is probably my only choice with decent specs and not mentally expensive. I think I have my mind made up that I won't go to macbook right now.
 
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Microsoft "Our commitment to Windows quality"
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2026/03/20/our-commitment-to-windows-quality/

" As part of this, we are reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points, starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and Notepad."

"Reducing disruption from Windows Updates: Receiving updates should be predictable and easy to plan around, so we’re giving you more control. This includes the ability to skip updates during device setup to get to the desktop faster, restart or shut down without installing updates and pause updates for longer when needed, all while reducing update noise with fewer automatic restarts and notifications."
 
Microsoft "Our commitment to Windows quality"
https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2026/03/20/our-commitment-to-windows-quality/

" As part of this, we are reducing unnecessary Copilot entry points, starting with apps like Snipping Tool, Photos, Widgets and Notepad."

"Reducing disruption from Windows Updates: Receiving updates should be predictable and easy to plan around, so we’re giving you more control. This includes the ability to skip updates during device setup to get to the desktop faster, restart or shut down without installing updates and pause updates for longer when needed, all while reducing update noise with fewer automatic restarts and notifications."
Yes, As I mentioned before, losing half a trillion dollars in a one week span will make you look at things. As I also mentioned, I think Satya has now been given a hands OFF order for products and services. THANKFULLY. Too late to save the windows mobile platform, lumia, zune, MS band, groove music, the awesome duo and NEO that was supposed to reshape windows, ETC, ETC, ETC. He's did some good for MS on the money front, but when you piss off your customers long enough, it's time to change direction.

I am sort of stuck with windows as MacOS and Linux just won't work for us, but I will never buy into any ms while Nadella is at the helm. Because in a week after it's launched if it does not make billions he just axes it anyways.

That's one big difference between Tim and Satya, Tim is sort of hands off. Satya is anything but.
 
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One of Windows 11's latest updates broke Microsoft account sign-in. It just keeps getting worse and worse (MS has released a hotfix patch)
Who knew that having Ai code your operating system would create loads of crap. They are adding more real people back into the mix. The message has been received loud and clear with that nosedive. They are even looking at cutting the Game Pass costs too. ha ha.
 
Son sent me an email that he ran into the WiFi broken bug on the latest W11 update. It's a high-performance WiFi bug with Killer WiFi that was broken. He figured it out, disabled WiFi optimization and all is good again. He has great developer and debugging skills so he doesn't ask me for help when he runs into technical problems.
 
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