safari 3's search highlight is indeed much better than fx's, but im betting on an addon to match that before safari 3's final release. lol
but u r right. there is no comparison between safari 2 and fx
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safari 3's search highlight is indeed much better than fx's, but im betting on an addon to match that before safari 3's final release. lol
but u r right. there is no comparison between safari 2 and fx
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It depends on whether you have the English-only version or the International version, I think, since the International version has translations for all the supported languages.my Camino takes up less space than your 52 MB, so I guess it varies
my Camino takes up less space than your 52 MB, so I guess it varies
very interesting, My apology for the rush statements.
camino for me is only 39.6 mb on disk
sorry for upsetting, I didn't know either, plus, that is an older firefox version, from 2006 vs. june 2007 for camino.
sorry for upsetting, I didn't know either, plus, that is an older firefox version, from 2006 vs. june 2007 for camino.
camino for me is only 39.6 mb on disk
sorry for upsetting, I didn't know either, plus, that is an older firefox version, from 2006 vs. june 2007 for camino.
the major different will be in version 3, firefox has major codecs re-written, cairo, coca, etc, will have many new stuff..
Ditto that and add the ability to place a new tab key in the toolbar.
My biggest beef with Firefox on Windows (haven't seen this on my Mac or Linux box) is it's tendency to lock up while it tries very hard to resolve an invalid URL, so you can't even correct a fat fingered key in the address bar until the DNS server times out.
It also locks up while waiting for Adobe Reader to load.
Seriously, you can't even compare the two. FF2 for OS X is a pathetic hack job, crashes all the time, and is horribly slow. I've got a macbook w/ 2ghz core duo, so its not for lack of speed and I have 1GB of RAM, so it shouldn't be for lack of RAM. I've moved to Safari 3 permanently, at least until FF3 comes out and I will give it a go again. If they can approach the performance of Camino, I'll be impressed.
Now that Safari 3 has most of the features I want in a browser (I couldn't use 2 as my main - it just had too many annoyances) it'll be what I use until anything else supports colour management: http://www.color.org/version4html.html
Safari is pretty much the only browser that can actually show tagged images properly - browsers like Firefox often show images very desaturated.
Safari is pretty much the only browser that can actually show tagged images properly - browsers like Firefox often show images very desaturated.
what's with all these people saying firefox crashes? I always use ff and it never crashes. I prefer ff over safari because of the extensions (scrapbook, adblock plus, nosquint etc etc)
It takes a little longer to start up than safari, but I only need to start it up once a day, after that it feels just as snappyTM as safari.
But I agree the windows version of ff is even better.
It takes a little longer to start up than safari, but I only need to start it up once a day, after that it feels just as snappyTM as safari.
But I agree the windows version of ff is even better.
my ff never crashes for me as well, i also preffer it because of the extensions you can get, although it is a bit heavy for just general stuff
Let's see. I've got a C2D and have been using FF since day one, everyday going on 8 months now. It has never crashed once and it doesn't take any longer loading up than safari. Before that I used FF on a PC for years. Never once crashed. The crashing on your computer sounds like a Id 10 t error.
Try having 8 different plugins and 5-10 tabs open all the time. Just to restore my firefox session takes 30 seconds to a minute everytime I start it up. Firefox on my PC, which btw is lower speced, runs circles around the OS X version. Safari, Camino, Shiira all put FF to shame even if I wipe my FF install and start from scratch. You're seriously dreaming if you think FF is the same speed as Camino, Safari 3, or Shiira.
I admitted in the OP that safari is faster than FF but for at least that fact is a moot point. For me I tend to load FF and leave it on and I can have upward of 150 tabs open at a time. since I bought my MBP it has yet to be restarted (I always just sleep it) and it has yet to crash. So 100+ tabs on load will prob take a sec in any browser . So other than speed I really dont see what Safari has over FF, I may however give Camino a shot I installed it but Iv yet to really "use" it yet.
. So other than speed I really dont see what Safari has over FF, I may however give Camino a shot I installed it but Iv yet to really "use" it yet.
About the Firefox crashing issue - I've used Firefox rather extensively and I still have it installed and use it sometimes and I've never really had any stability issues with it that I can remember.
Safari 3 seems A LOT faster on MySpace than Safari 2, for those of you heavy into that sort of thing. I'm not big into it, but I do have an account, so that I can look at other peoples' pages, etc. and it seems to run MUCH better in Safari 3 than in Safari 2 or Firefox.
Safari 3 seems A LOT faster on MySpace than Safari 2, for those of you heavy into that sort of thing. I'm not big into it, but I do have an account, so that I can look at other peoples' pages, etc. and it seems to run MUCH better in Safari 3 than in Safari 2 or Firefox.
Firefox 2.0 made HUGE improvements in GUI quality, but it's still miles behind Safari. It's still obvious that it's designed by computer programmers who don't care about visual quality as much as making it work behind the scenes, where as Apple pays different people to do the two things. There are just tons of little glitches, things that don't quite fit, stuff that's ugly or disproportionate. Some people would call me picky, but there's a reason I've got a mac...it's all about the seamless style.
As far as functionality goes they're about the same...FF extensions are great, but I've found them to be buggy and they often make the already stitched together interface seem more shoddy. Also, after I got a whole bunch of addons installed and configured (the last time I started using FF seriously), there was a minor update (2.0.x to 2.0.y) which broke 3 or 4 addons and a skin, which didn't get updated by their developers for like a week.
I know some people hate the car analogies, but they really can make sense. Comparing Safari with the Mac Firefox is like comparing a BMW with a high end luxury Ford. Maybe they perform the same, maybe they are essentially equivalent, maybe you can't quantitatively derive a winner, but qualitatively there is just something missing from the Ford, a certain panache that the BMW would have....a sense that the design of the BMW is part of the functionality and not just a mask over the inner workings of the car.
As far as functionality goes they're about the same...FF extensions are great, but I've found them to be buggy and they often make the already stitched together interface seem more shoddy. Also, after I got a whole bunch of addons installed and configured (the last time I started using FF seriously), there was a minor update (2.0.x to 2.0.y) which broke 3 or 4 addons and a skin, which didn't get updated by their developers for like a week.
I know some people hate the car analogies, but they really can make sense. Comparing Safari with the Mac Firefox is like comparing a BMW with a high end luxury Ford. Maybe they perform the same, maybe they are essentially equivalent, maybe you can't quantitatively derive a winner, but qualitatively there is just something missing from the Ford, a certain panache that the BMW would have....a sense that the design of the BMW is part of the functionality and not just a mask over the inner workings of the car.
its not like u can ever do that "5-10 tabs 8 extensions(i guess u are talking about ext, rather than plugins) and do a session restore" in safari anyway.
dreaming or not, its inappropriate to use your personal experience to cover all our cases.
faster, so what? 1 sec faster? i bet most ppl dont care. I mean, come on, some javascript test claim safari takes 450ms, firefox takes 960ms, Jesus, thats half sec vs. 1 sec, can anybody tell the difference? not to mention that 1) most tests ask browser to run same element for 1000+ times in order to achieve measurable margins, in real world, its probably 0.001s vs 0.0005s, can anybody tell the difference? 2)safari's time counting javascript may be flawed to favor itself. 3) then go ahead try https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1269 , so called "fasterfox", now its faster than safari as I speak.
I have no problem admit safari is slightly faster by default settings, but hey, opera is even faster, speed isn't everything!
Think about it, if a user can
get warned when visiting phishing website
block annoying ads in the webpage with flexibility, with automatically acquire filters around the world
block flashes
easily browse net in a single window mode,
check weather at the bottom of the browser's status bar,
check NFL/FIFA game progress,
change the looks of the browser,
moving mice to navigate the internet,
download video from youtube with ease,
instant translate the selected word INSIDE the page,
instant translate the word by pointing to it.
change the color of the tab to make sure secure banking online
synchronize the bookmarks across the different computers at any platform even when at opposite sides of the world
post to your blog right from browser,
split browser window into multiple spaces
change webpage CSS style by yourself
change browser into a ftp client
remember multiple pair of passwords/usernames for SAME webpage.
zoom in/out any image on the webpage with scrollbar.
etc, etc. (I mean real "etc", literally thousands of features)
Why not? and dont forget its an OPTION, nobody said u can only use browsers bundled with OSes, right? i even has opera under linux. Im fully aware of "silent majority" computer users use system default browsers, but hey, try them all if u (silent majority) are a little bit interested
well, you do realize that it does take some time to load all the sites at the same time, right?
in most cases, FF takes < 30 secs to restore ~40 tabs with 12 extensions on my computer. imho 30 secs is a fair price to pay. safari doesn't even offer this feature! how often you need to restore anyways?
my impression is that safari's launch time is faster, which makes sense since the app is written by apple and there's no extensions to load. but when it comes to loading pages, FF seems to be faster. maybe i'm dreaming, or maybe because the way safari loads pages. safari tends to load at least 99% of the contents before it displays anything. so if an ad is not loading then you are forced to stare at that blank screen!
I can do session restores in Safari 3 under the History tab. The load times are much much faster than FF, on the order of 10 or more seconds.
That's an absurd argument. Everything anyone posts on here is from personal experience. I'm not trying to say that my experience needs to cover all cases, I am simply saying that it doesn't work for myself and many other people who have had similar problems.
oh, u can do session restore, great, indeed, but without 5-10 open tabs and 8 extensions?
wait...
under history tab? how about crash re-open session restore, does it have it? (i know some ppl think safari never crash, lol, never say never)
ha, good to know. sorry I didn't feel that in your original post. and I supposed you did see other ppl's experience of 40 tabs in 30 sec, right?
glad ppl now understand cases are all different. want to know for yourself, try for yourself!
PS. this is photocopy month, glad apple copied session saver (partially, apparently) from other browsers, its all for the good! (indeed, I hope apple copy more firefox's extensions, with extension structure, I would use it much more than now)
finally, I have trouble comparing a shipping product with a beta, safari is reported to be instable and has some problems, I don't dispute that it might be perfectly good on your machine, but again, I don't encourage "silent majority" to install beta.
Oh it definitely is, it crashes when viewing PDF's in the browser and has some other page loading issues that randomly happen. I am not trying to be a Safari fanboy here, in fact FF offers the best and most comprehensive set of features of any browser I have used. Its just that it has never worked right for me on my macbook since 2.0, even after reinstalling it from scratch, including wiping all prefs. If you can give me the speed and stability of Camino with the FF plugins I will be hooked.