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Why should Apple keep up with Intel's roadmap?
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The thing that is really compounding the merom issue is the fact Intel has been promoting the Core 2 Duo HARD. TV, print ads, online banners... you name it they have it covered. Sure, there are people who will have no clue, but for people who see the ads and go into an Apple store they will be upset. The MacBook is perfectly fine on Core Duo as it is the cheaper option... but the MacBook Pro really needs to be up to snuff. Apple didn't have this issue before with PowerPC because IBM didn't run ads talking about the G5. Times are different now.
Sun Baked said:
That is your own unsubstantiated hypothesis.
Sun Baked said:
Crestline/Merom upgrades?
That is coming what.. next May if we are very lucky. And I doubt Apple even has a prototype Crestline chipset to play with this early in the game.
bearbo said:
First of all, I know what the buyers guide says, but I don't consider the stuff they did in April an update. They improved a couple of components, probably because the were not up to snuff. The MBP was released on the 10th of January. That would make an update considerably overdue. I am making this statement with the common knowledge that before the Intel switch, notebooks were generally updated every 4 to 6 months, give or take as little.
generik said:
it amazes me that you have close to 4k posts and have been a member of this communtiy around a year, yet you NEVER have anything good to say about apple...
Why not just go to a dell/ibm/insert your favorite pc of the week~that you seem to think has way better specs than any Apple portables for a 1/16 of the price oh yeah... and you post way toooo much...
almost as bad a spammer as MJ...
Veritas&Equitas said:
### "may"??? Apple used to be about quality vs quantity. Not now. If only someone would create a new OS running on pc hardware that would challenge OS X..and I could be done with Apple's BS of making me choose between cutting edge performance and an intuitive OS. I wouldn't have to read forums with posts making excuses in mindless cult-like fashion either. Apple has made me jump through sooo many hoops over the years (Motorola, PPC, Intel are just the latest). I'm tired of it. Just like politics, we need a third party! Otherwise I'm left choosing the lesser evil. Now that Bill Gates is doing such wonderful things with his money, maybe I should reconsider who I wish to support with my money.
peace
Remember the good ol' days when we would wait a year between updates because Moto or IBM had their head up their asses? Remember two years to go from 2.0 to 2.7GHz?
The funny thing about this Intel thing is that the roadmap is all out there for everyone to see, and we know when the chips will be launched. Well the mystery is gone, and if folks don't get Moron ships in their lappy's like the rest of the guys, the lather over it for weeks.
This is Apple, folks.
The funny thing about this Intel thing is that the roadmap is all out there for everyone to see, and we know when the chips will be launched. Well the mystery is gone, and if folks don't get Moron ships in their lappy's like the rest of the guys, the lather over it for weeks.
This is Apple, folks.
iGary said:
### Indeed I remember..all too well. I always thought..as you said...that "Motorola and IBM had their heads up their asses", but now it's becoming clear that Moto and IBM had company up there in the nether regions...Apple. Can't blame Intel this time. I think it's pretty obvious Apple is sitting on a ton of Core Duo boards..and they don't want to have to "eat" them. Maybe Apple should do a better job of MANAGEMENT. Maybe hire someone from Dell.
I'm not in the market for a new lappy. I'm waiting for Santa Rosa..and may just get a Mac Pro instead at that time (Summer 07). For me the issue is: I want to see Apple succeed...and the current marketing strategy is not helping Apple. It is critical that Apple stay up to date with pc hardware.
jaduffy108 said:
people still clung to apple despite this debacle, so people will still buy apple computers no matter what.
Sun Baked said:
Think about this. Merom is the end of the line for the current socket.
It would make much more sense for a total design refresh to come with Santa Rosa, next spring/summer...not for a Merom update.
New chipset, possible new motherboard...makes much more sense at that time.
Just my thought.
This whole thing was my main concern with the Intel transition. The major updates to the PowerPC processor were not as frequent as Intel's. It's just not Apple's style to pump out new computers every week. I think it's going to take some time for Apple to completly make the transition to Intel. They got all the hardware stuff done, but they still have to figure out how their going to handle these .45 Ghz processor updates that have completly different names.
I buy apple computers for their design anyway (both outside and Os), they are simply the most beautiful computers out there. period. If I'm working for 8-10 hours a day in front of my machine I want to look at something that pleases my eye. period.
And of course you have to pay premium for that design. You have to pay premium for design when you buy a car, a desk, a lamp, a tshirt, ....
so why does anyone expect this to be different with computers? To come up with a machine like the power-/macbook/pro some designers need to spend 10000x more time than to come up with some ugly black brick thing. And this is not easy, if it was pc laptops would look better. And someone has to pay these designers for their work.
This may be important to some, others do not care what their stuff looks like. Some buy a beautiful couch for their living room, others just pick up something at the local flea market. Some people buy cool tshirts, some still run around in the clothes their mummy has bought them 10 years ago.
And of course you have to pay premium for that design. You have to pay premium for design when you buy a car, a desk, a lamp, a tshirt, ....
so why does anyone expect this to be different with computers? To come up with a machine like the power-/macbook/pro some designers need to spend 10000x more time than to come up with some ugly black brick thing. And this is not easy, if it was pc laptops would look better. And someone has to pay these designers for their work.
This may be important to some, others do not care what their stuff looks like. Some buy a beautiful couch for their living room, others just pick up something at the local flea market. Some people buy cool tshirts, some still run around in the clothes their mummy has bought them 10 years ago.
To all the "whinners" here is a question:
If you have two otherwise identical MBPs but one had a Memron chip and the other had the current chip. What exactly could the memron based MBP do that the current computer could not do? A related question: How could you determine which computer was which without using something like "about this mac", peeking inside or doing some kind of technical testing or benchmark.
Don't say "It's 64-bits". tell me what it can do the other can't.
If you have two otherwise identical MBPs but one had a Memron chip and the other had the current chip. What exactly could the memron based MBP do that the current computer could not do? A related question: How could you determine which computer was which without using something like "about this mac", peeking inside or doing some kind of technical testing or benchmark.
Don't say "It's 64-bits". tell me what it can do the other can't.
jaduffy108 said:
I'm typing this on a Dual Xeon powered Linux system. It is faster than any current mac except the Mac Pro and we bought it last year. Linux is more like Mac OX than Windows. In fact Linux runs much of the same software as OSX and the Gnome desktop has much the same "feel" is the OSX desktop. So you CAN have both state of the art compute power and your nice, stable secure OS.
I think Apple may take several more months or a few more years before they get used to the Intel world. Apple has been in slow update cycle of PPC for many years. It has just switched to Intel about a year ago. It takes a big organization like Apple to adjust the corporate culture to more faster-paced Intel/x86 world.
Some people buy Macintosh for the design of the machines, OS X, or comibination of both. For the people who are after only "design," I think what chips Apple is going to put in in their machines is not a big deal.
Even though I am not a big fan of Windows OS, I am hoping MS will actually pull off a good job with its upcoming Vista OS . If Vista is a huge improvement over current XP, I think that would "force" Apple to keep up with the hardware updates as other PC makers have been doing. Next year, I am planning to buy one notebook, one tablet PC (smaller one), and desk top.
My fav apps are CS2 and Macromedia MX2004. (whose interface for Mac and Windows is very similar) Next year, Adobe will issue CS3. So, I am going to get that. If Vista turns out to be a good and solid OS (as good as Mac OS X), I would make my buying decision on the hardware itself.
If OS is not the issue, I have to admit I would choose Sony, Lenovo, or Fujitsu over Apple.
Some people buy Macintosh for the design of the machines, OS X, or comibination of both. For the people who are after only "design," I think what chips Apple is going to put in in their machines is not a big deal.
Even though I am not a big fan of Windows OS, I am hoping MS will actually pull off a good job with its upcoming Vista OS . If Vista is a huge improvement over current XP, I think that would "force" Apple to keep up with the hardware updates as other PC makers have been doing. Next year, I am planning to buy one notebook, one tablet PC (smaller one), and desk top.
My fav apps are CS2 and Macromedia MX2004. (whose interface for Mac and Windows is very similar) Next year, Adobe will issue CS3. So, I am going to get that. If Vista turns out to be a good and solid OS (as good as Mac OS X), I would make my buying decision on the hardware itself.
If OS is not the issue, I have to admit I would choose Sony, Lenovo, or Fujitsu over Apple.
YS2003 said:
Having used Vista RC1 for a couple weeks now, I would be shocked if the release version forces Apple to do anything. Take away the over the top eye candy, and Vista feels much more like XP than it does like OS X. If OS were not the issue, things might be different; however, OS is an issue and will continue to be so for a good while.
I just met a guy in the library who is still using his Compaq "laptop" from 1987. He's a naturalist who is making websites based on his research. He even showed me the printouts.
Meanwhile, I'm reading about the ULV U7500 and SSE improvements in Core 2 Duo.
Meanwhile, I'm reading about the ULV U7500 and SSE improvements in Core 2 Duo.
jhu said:
### yeah...i know, I'm one of them. I'm not suggesting Apple is repeating those mistakes. I'm all for Apple / Intel. I was babbling on about switching to Intel when OS X first arrived. on the scene.
ChrisA said:
### Hey Chris...Getting on board with Linux has been crossing my mind more and more often as of late. It's especially good for Maya. I will have to do some homework.
How are things in Redondo? I used to eat at "The Spot" in Hermosa every weekend.
Can we stop with this fanboy crap?
You're calling this guy a fanboy because he says that he would rather wait for a big update on MBP than have a MBP be released with nothing but Merom updated? You guys don't seem to read any of the posts made here, as I'm sure you won't read this one. If we get a small update now, we will then have to wait longer for a big update. If we wait a bit longer we are more likely to get a big update?
You guys who are waiting for the Merom MBPs. One of you tell me exactly what is wrong with your current computer and what the Merom upgrade would offer you that Yonah currently doesn't? Just one reason. One valid reason. That's all I'm asking for. However, I will not accept the 64 bit reason, because if you give me that reason, I will screenshot it and save it. I will then wait until Leopard and 64 bit apps become widely needed and useable (probably around the same time that Intel comes out with a new chip that outdates Merom) and see if you're complaining about the newest chips not being released because what you need cannot be used with Merom.
PATIENCE
That is all that's needed here. Take 1 day off from reading these boards, any Apple boards, don't think. Go for a walk, a jog, go watch a film or listen to music. Shag your girlfriend/boyfriend (though I'd be interested to see if we have one single female member on this board). Then come home, go on your computer, and think about whether it would be any different at all using Merom.
It wouldn't.
Now stop complaining, you don't know jack **** about Apple's plans or the details that are going on behind the scenes, none of us do, so stop presuming and just be happy that you've got what you've got.
You're calling this guy a fanboy because he says that he would rather wait for a big update on MBP than have a MBP be released with nothing but Merom updated? You guys don't seem to read any of the posts made here, as I'm sure you won't read this one. If we get a small update now, we will then have to wait longer for a big update. If we wait a bit longer we are more likely to get a big update?
You guys who are waiting for the Merom MBPs. One of you tell me exactly what is wrong with your current computer and what the Merom upgrade would offer you that Yonah currently doesn't? Just one reason. One valid reason. That's all I'm asking for. However, I will not accept the 64 bit reason, because if you give me that reason, I will screenshot it and save it. I will then wait until Leopard and 64 bit apps become widely needed and useable (probably around the same time that Intel comes out with a new chip that outdates Merom) and see if you're complaining about the newest chips not being released because what you need cannot be used with Merom.
PATIENCE
That is all that's needed here. Take 1 day off from reading these boards, any Apple boards, don't think. Go for a walk, a jog, go watch a film or listen to music. Shag your girlfriend/boyfriend (though I'd be interested to see if we have one single female member on this board). Then come home, go on your computer, and think about whether it would be any different at all using Merom.
It wouldn't.
Now stop complaining, you don't know jack **** about Apple's plans or the details that are going on behind the scenes, none of us do, so stop presuming and just be happy that you've got what you've got.
Demon Hunter said:I just met a guy in the library who is still using his Compaq "laptop" from 1987. He's a naturalist who is making websites based on his research. He even showed me the printouts.
Meanwhile, I'm reading about the ULV U7500 and SSE improvements in Core 2 Duo.
Is it even possible? What software is he running on that?
MS DOS? Windows 3.1?