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There was a thread where some professional photographers explained what the ACDs are good at and why. It might have been in a thread dealing with ACD update rumors--I'm sorry I can't find it, but it is here somewhere.

Bob
 
??? Am I missing something? The new monitors sure as hell do have one cord coming out the back. Maybe not at the back of the computer, but that's not what I was talking about.

It seems i was wrong about this. I was thinking of the all-in-one cable of older displays
 
anyone know when they are going to update the ACDs? I'd like to wait to get a new one with hopefully the i-sight in it.

thanks.
 
I have my doubt that iSight will ever be integrated into ACDs. Its a big security problem in some professional environments.

If they do integrate iSight I would imagine they will offer models without it as well.
 
Chris--

As a privacy lawyer, I see the problems you're referring to, but isn't the answer fairly simple in a corporate environment? Just disable the user from being able to turn iSight on?

Bob
 
I have my doubt that iSight will ever be integrated into ACDs. Its a big security problem in some professional environments.

If they do integrate iSight I would imagine they will offer models without it as well.

i have read that they may update them in november? if so, i'll just wait and try and get it for Christmas. I don't need it immediately, I'd just like to get a monitor for my MBP.
 
Wow, so you are comparing a lousy panel with a lower 1680x1050 resolution to an certified SWOP S-IPS panel with an resolution of 1920x1200?

Pressure--

That was one of the differences I was remembering from an earlier discussion--that the ACDs are among the few that are SWOPS certified. I also seem to remember that the ACDs are relatively inexpensive for the absolute color quality and accuracy they offer. At least I think that's right......

Bob
 
Chris--

As a privacy lawyer, I see the problems you're referring to, but isn't the answer fairly simple in a corporate environment? Just disable the user from being able to turn iSight on?

Bob

Thats pretty hard to do especially vs tech savvy users. Software security is very weak and in the case of a malicious intruder (e.g: someone intentionally setting up a background process to use the ACD to monitor the room) its useless.

In theory Apple may do something like ship revisions of the monitor for corporate customers where the iSight camera is still present but the hardware traces are cut on the circuit board itself or some other form of easy to manufacture hardware disable.
 
Chris--

I'm not a code warrior at all, but couldn't you disable the iSight in Terminal as the root user?

Bob
 
Chris--

I'm not a code warrior at all, but couldn't you disable the iSight in Terminal as the root user?

Bob

Of course. That doesen't stop someone with local access from gaining root privileges via legitimate or illegitimate means and re-enabling it which is what corporate layers are afraid of. :)

Just to give you an example of how paranoid certain companies are in this regard I cant even use a MBP on the premises of a certain extremely large Korean monitor/TV maker because they see the iSight as a security risk. Telling them 'its disabled' in software would only result in quite a bit of laughter.
 
Chris--

Gotcha. That's one of those examples that make very little sense to non-lawyers, but is true......If you don't prepare for the worst, you could possibly be found negligent.....which is a corporate lawyer's nightmare!

Bob
 
i have read that they may update them in november? if so, i'll just wait and try and get it for Christmas. I don't need it immediately, I'd just like to get a monitor for my MBP.

Where did you read that they might update them in November? Is that just based on the speculation that they may be announced with Leopard's release?
 
Apple displays are hardly the best. Not even close. If you like the look, and more like NEED the look, buy the ACD. There are better displays that are cheaper. And there are better displays for "pros" than the ACD. Eizo, Lacie, NEC, etc.

And to say a pro (the target audience) doesn't need the things the Dell offers is foolish. Hell, you are talking about photographers, what photographer wouldn't want a card reader? What video editor wouldn't want other inputs to do video? Heck you can't even put an analog signal into these things without a $300 box.

Firewire... Apple doesn't make an iSight anymore which was a major reason to have FW on the LCD. Plugging a external drive is moot when the computer has firewire, not mention firewire 800.


The 23" has the following problems: Pink cast, image persistence, ghosting, etc. It also happens to have an outdated panel along with being overpriced.

And to the person who says how can two panels be different (visually I am assuming) if they use the same panel. Well, it is about the electronics. The panel simply has pixels and certain properties like black level, viewing angles, color etc, but the hardware behind that is what does the "right stuff," LUT control is one aspect of this. Proper scaling is another. Simply put, the bulk of a displays quality in derived from the behind the scenes stuff. A good panel helps of course, but lets take Eizo for example they use *VA panels in some of their displays. These display have great viewing angles (same as IPS), better blacks, but the color isn't as good. So, Eizo compensates with better electronics to make that display perform wonderfully. You could have the best panel in the world but when you stick the electronics from a General Electric LCD in there you can guess what the result will be.

That said, the ACDs are nice, but don't be fooled by those who purport it is better because they love the aluminum.

Oh yeah, backlight. bld44, the new Dell 2407-HC and the 2707-HC use a better backlight system than the ACDs. Also, tack on terrible backlight bleeding to the list of problems with the ACDs, not just the 23" either. Furthermore, Apple is using the same backlights everyone else does. Hence the backlight bleed, which is more a feature of poor manufacturing, but also inherent in the type of backlighting being used today. LED and SED will start to take this away.

They still have the pink cast? mine has it but only around the edges (maybe 1.5 cm), but you need to be using a grey or relatively bright background to see it. I've done my best to get rid of it by calibrating it, but its still there. Just not as bad.

I don't have the ghosting problems unless you want to be really pernickety maybe a 1cm trail if you drag a window across the screen extremely fast in rapid movements. The Dell 24" does exactly the same thing, but its not a nuisance and is also good for gaming. Neither are bad for gaming in that department when it comes to ghosting.
 
I have a 19" Dell LCD connected to my Mac mini and have used quite a bit of 20" ACD monitors and I can say that the ACD is a better than my Dell. However, my monitor is a value model and is not made for photographers. I have not used a 20" 2007WFP up close but from what I have read they are excellent monitors and have strongly considered it as an upgrade to my 19". While it would be great to have an ACD that matched my mini perfectly, I don't think it's worth the almost $200 premium.
 
Chris--

As a privacy lawyer, I see the problems you're referring to, but isn't the answer fairly simple in a corporate environment? Just disable the user from being able to turn iSight on?

Bob

That's not enough in many places.

We're not allowed any cameras at work, full stop. It doesn't matter what steps you take to disable it - even if you smash the lens and tape over it with masking tape, it's still not allowed.

If the ACDs are fitted with cameras then we will stop buying them.

Edit: Besides, we run Windows XP on them and give all users admin access, so there's no way to disable it anyway.
 
Sorry but you are way wrong on this. Two screens with the same panel can be radically different due to the factory calibration of the Color Lookup Tables (LUTS) and how they interact with Colorsync, the Mac OS, the Video Card in the CPU and the Card in the Monitor.

That is why apple boxes are SWOP certified and Dells are not.

No Comparison.

Ego much?
 
There is one thing that everybody here seems to be forgetting.

if you are hooking your display up to a pc, then the ACD will be no better than a dell.

However (and this is not just displays), the reasons apples hardware works so well is that they are perfectly meant to go together. The Video Cards on the mac interpret the commands from the GPU or Logic Board different than the same video card on a PC, then the display gets the color information from the video card and interprets it differently, and the display is perfectly calibrated to interpret the signal, its not like the ACD color panel in the mac was setup after about 10 min, they spend months on these kind of things, its a quality issue.

it does not matter if the display is made out of the same panel, it is still different, yes if you have the money, you can buy a $500 calibrater and make just about any monitor with reasonable quality look good, but why bother if you can just buy a mac.

Its like this, if you buy a car, and crash it, when you need a new bumper, wouldn't you rather buy it from the company that makes your car (I know its not a perfect analogy, so don't actually waste time trying to say I'm wrong because my analogy is week)
 
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If you think you can buy an Apple and not have to calibrate you are sadly mistaken. And calibrators are becoming quite reasonable, so the $500 figure is rather inflated, to support your already flawed argument I am sure.

And yeah, that is a terrible analogy, especially considering most Mac purchasers don't buy Apple displays.
 
Until the Apple Cinema Displays support HDCP they are outdated.

You may notice that, of course, the AppleTV in your local Apple Store is not hooked up to a Cinema Display for this very reason.
 
for what it's worth, i have a dell ultrasharp that has extremely accurate color, contrast and brightness. i am a pro and saw no need to spend much more for a cooler looking designed apple monitor. the resolution of my display is great and it's not the usual ugly pc looking design. i teach photoshop and photography and in one of the labs they have the apple displays so i get to compare the two and they really are equals. if you don't have anything else to spend the extra cash on, by all means get the apple.

and by the way, you really should calibrate ANY monitor for accurate printing results

have fun
 
and by the way, you really should calibrate ANY monitor for accurate printing results

I feel stupid... I though Apple Displays were already calibrated... How do you do it on your own?
 
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If you think you can buy an Apple and not have to calibrate you are sadly mistaken. And calibrators are becoming quite reasonable, so the $500 figure is rather inflated, to support your already flawed argument I am sure.

And yeah, that is a terrible analogy, especially considering most Mac purchasers don't buy Apple displays.

You do not have to calibrate it, doing so will give you little benefit, and yes you can get a cheeper calibrator, but you will get no benefit on it using a ACD as any benefit would be very specific and would require much expense.

as per the second part, no most people don't buy them because they are expensive and the quality only makes a big difference for people who work in digital arts.
 
I feel stupid... I though Apple Displays were already calibrated... How do you do it on your own?

You buy and expensive tool, its looks a little like a original airport, but flatter and a lot smaller.

and they are calibrated.

But if you want specific calibration you do need one of these
 
Until the Apple Cinema Displays support HDCP they are outdated.

You may notice that, of course, the AppleTV in your local Apple Store is not hooked up to a Cinema Display for this very reason.

First of all, AppleTV is meant to be connected to a TV, not to a computer monitor.

Secondly, why do you want ACD to have both audio and video signals in one cord? These displays dont even have speakers (and they shouldn't have).

Your post is totally untrue.
 
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