Why the heck does America still use outdated measurement and date units?

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  1. SoyCapitanSoyCapitan macrumors 601

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    I'm late to this talk :)

    We see even in any technology, software and hardware, that whenever standards change there are things that linger for a long time before being excised.
     
  2. Huntn macrumors P6

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    For metric I have no issue with the temperature or distance/speed scale. For cooking, maybe because I am so used to it, like it, and see no real advantage, I believe English measurement kicks the snot out of metric. :D I’ll take tablespoon, cup, pint, quart, any day over 15ml, 225ml, 500ml, etc.
     
  3. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    I don't remember what my post was in this thread, but it certainly is valid enough to repost.

    If you are a manufacturer and build something, pick a lane and stay in it. Use EITHER SAE or METRIC. NOT BOTH on the same machine. I know, you buy parts from other manufacturers who may use SAE while you use METRIC, but this madness needs to stop.

    When I was a kid they were introducing the 2-liter bottle as a way to get people comfortable with the metric system. Still, 49 years later, no car manufacturer makes a cup holder for one. :(
     
  4. Huntn macrumors P6

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    My wife claims she just rented a car from Budget which only had a metric speed scale. Maybe it was metric in big numbers and English in small? However she insists it was metric only, and I have to ask myself , is that possible in a country with no metric speeds posted?
     
  5. AustinIllini macrumors demi-goddess

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    It's not.
     
  6. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    Probably just a changed setting in the car. Budget (?) should have been asked how to change that setting. That would be the same as any other control that might be unfamiliar to the driver.
    I had an old (maybe 2003?) Pontiac rental that would change to KM on the mechanical speedometer, with no other evidence of MPH, until I changed the setting to US. Just the push of a button.
    Maybe it wasn't obvious how to change the setting, but the rental office SHOULD have been able to find someone to change that setting, when asked.
     
  7. Huntn macrumors P6

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    I did not argue with her. :D
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    Oh, I did not know that. Our cars do not have electronic speed read outs.
     
  8. flat five macrumors 603

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    lol

    a cup holder for a 2 liter bottle?

    pretty sure the reason they don’t exist in cars has nothing to do with metric system
     
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    I can just imagine a young herdfan's father wanting to strangle him for needing to potty every 20 minutes after he finished off a 2 liter bottle of cola.
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    They said the same about kevlar.
     
  11. cube, May 11, 2019
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    I cannot immediately understand TV set advertising in centimeters in Europe.

    Fortunately, the model codes usually contain the number of inches, which is quicker than dividing mentally by 2.5 .

    I hate all those assorted articles on the web written only in imperial units.
     
  12. DeltaMac macrumors G3

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    Don't forget, no cup holder, so they were in the car, and young herdfan had no place to put the 2 liter bottle. Had to drink it all, right? So, no need to stop every 20 minutes. Young herdfan gets to pee in the bottle. :D
     
  13. cube macrumors P6

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    I never asked myself before why there are 2.25l bottles as it looks nice.
     
  14. bunnspecial macrumors 604

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    Rankine for me!
     
  15. ejb190 macrumors 65816

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    And in my neck of the woods, distances are communicated in time.
    Miles or kilometers are worthless numbers when traveling.
     
  16. throAU, May 13, 2019
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    Except the "standard" for a foot in imperial measure varied depending on which country you were in and what time period.

    I see a lot of "we write dates retarded in MM/DD/YYYY form because that's how you say it".


    Guess what?

    In other countries, we say "First of January, 2019" for example. The way it is written. So that argument is basically moot. You say that way because you write that way.

    Both are wrong if used for anything important anyway. Thats what ISO8601 is for.
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    To a point.

    However, given two arbitrary systems of measurement (i will concede that point - they are both arbitrary, though metric/SI is standardising on much better real world bases), one that works with base 10 (or base ANYTHING maths) is much more usable than imperial. Metric/SI works in base 10 which makes calculations between units just work far more easily. Imperial? Hahaha

    People stuck with imperial measurement may as well go back to writing in roman numerals as well.
     
  17. Altis macrumors 68030

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    As much as I love the metric system, I will say that inches, feet, and pounds are very handy units that seem to work well for many applications. Even in Canada, we discuss height and weight in feet/inches and pounds, except for official documents.

    You might say it that way out loud. But the written convention is month day, year (May 13, 2019).
     
  18. monokakata macrumors 68000

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    Are you familiar with the unit "see?" It's very useful in country with ridges.

    "Say, old timer, how far to Caspian Lake?"
    "Well, go up that hill and it's about three sees."
    "Sees?"
    "Yep. At the top, one see is about as far as you can see to the next ridge. Do that three times, you're there."
     
  19. fivenotrump macrumors 6502

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    I’ll stick with Réaumur
     
  20. throAU macrumors 603

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    Not where i live, and in many other parts of the world.
     
  21. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    You need to get out more, if you think that is the convention.
     
  22. Crazy Badger macrumors 65816

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    The only reason for using that format is Star Wars Day :D
     
  23. Altis macrumors 68030

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    In Canada, where our date format is not generally MM/DD/YY, it's still the convention for written dates for any kind of letter or document where the date is written out.

    Not sure what date conventions have to do with "getting out more" :rolleyes:
     
  24. chown33 macrumors 604

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    Without MM/DD format, Pi Day (3/14) would be impossible.

    At least in base 10.

    In base 8 (octal) it would be possible. Of course, the rendering of pi would no longer be 3.1415... because the fractional digits would signify 8ths, 64ths, etc. instead of 10ths, 100ths, etc. The whole part (3) would be the same, but not the rest.
     
  25. ApfelKuchen macrumors 68030

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    The question of MM/DD/YYYY, DD/MM/YYYY, YYYY/MM/DD... all of them are arbitrarily based on local language, syntax, and custom. Favoring one over the other has little to do with logic and far more to do with cultural dominion.

    However, we're talking about a mouse when compared to the real elephant in the room, our entire system of date and time-keeping.

    Regardless of the position of Month, Year, or Day in notation, the calendar is an arbitrary, non-decimal dating system. While it's not going to happen in our lifetimes, eventually there has to be a debate over whether something as arbitrary as the rotational and orbital periods of a particular planet in a particular solar system at a particular period in time should determine time-keeping elsewhere in the solar system or universe.

    The notion of 12-month years and seven-day weeks, of course, come from trying to incorporate lunar cycles into our time-keeping. We have a trio of incompatible clocks/time-bases forever tugging at our calendar grids.

    It's so messy! Why is February 28/29 days? Why not steal a day from 31-day January and March to give us a string of 30-day months (January through April), with a 31-day February tossed in every fourth year for Leap Year? (Rhetorical questions - no need to rehash Roman notions of lucky numbers.)

    To take that a step farther, a 365-day year could be divided into seven 30-day months and five 31-day months, alternating from month to month, with a sixth 31-day month on leap year.... Every fourth year would be so symmetrical! But woe unto anyone who tried to force that change on society.

    The ApfelKuchenian Calendar:
    30-day months: January, February (except Leap Year), March, May, July, September, November
    31-day months February (Leap Year only), April, June, August, October, December

    Feel free to jeer!

    Now, anyone out there want to tackle hours, minutes, and seconds (and please, do take Einstein into account)?
     

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