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The 2008 did not have a wedge shaped design. Watch Job's late-2010 intro of the MBA. It is a complete redesign. The 2010 was a completely different design than the 2018. Other than having a wedge shaped bottom case, they shared very little. Different enclosure, Different bezels, Different Keyboard, Different Screen (Retina), Different ports, No MagSafe, Different size trackpad. It probably required a significant change to the production tooling. How much different does it have to be?
Yes the 2008 had a wedge shaped design.

"...but Apple managed to create a MacBook Air with a wedge shape so that the thickest part was still thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony TZ Series — one of the thinnest laptops back in 2008. It was a remarkable feat of engineering, and it signaled a new era for laptops."


And, if you actually owned one or own one you will see that it, in fact, does have a wedge design.

The original MacBook Air vs. pre-M2 MBA:
  • Uses the same aluminum material.
  • Uses the same fundamental unibody design.
  • Has had a wedge design the entire time.
  • Has had the same screen size the entire time.
  • The original keyboard is actually not much different than the new keyboard. Apple just had a blip for a few years with the terrible butterfly keyboard.
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Making tweaks to the design like changing ports or reducing bezels and improving screen quality is not a complete redesign dude. The M2 MBA, on the other hand, is a complete redesign.
 
Yes the 2008 had a wedge shaped design.

"...but Apple managed to create a MacBook Air with a wedge shape so that the thickest part was still thinner than the thinnest part of the Sony TZ Series — one of the thinnest laptops back in 2008. It was a remarkable feat of engineering, and it signaled a new era for laptops."


And, if you actually owned one or own one you will see that it, in fact, does have a wedge design.

The original MacBook Air vs. pre-M2 MBA:
  • Uses the same aluminum material.
  • Uses the same fundamental unibody design.
  • Has had a wedge design the entire time.
  • Has had the same screen size the entire time.
  • The original keyboard is actually not much different than the new keyboard. Apple just had a blip for a few years with the terrible butterfly keyboard.View attachment 2046336
Making tweaks to the design like changing ports or reducing bezels and improving screen quality is not a complete redesign dude. The M2 MBA, on the other hand, is a complete redesign.
I should have been clearer. The 2008 did not have the same or as pronounced of a wedge shape design as the 2010. The design changed significantly in 2010 and again in 2018. Please watch this 2020 video that reviews the history of the MacBook Air and the significant design changes from 2008 to 2010 to 2018 plus some tweaks in 2020. Unless your only criteria for "design" is the general geometry of the bottom case (without regard to dimensions, ports, keyboard, Touch ID, or trackpad), there is no doubt that the design has changed over the years.


BTW - I like the new design of the 2022 M2 MBA. I have a 2020 i3 MBA, so might upgrade to the M2 2022 MBA in the future. Over the last 10 years, we have had numerous MBAs in the family, and they have all been great machines.

edit: actually they did not have the same screen size the whole time….recall the MBA 11.3 in.
 
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I should have been clearer. The 2008 did not have the same or as pronounced of a wedge shape design as the 2010. The design changed significantly in 2010 and again in 2018. Please watch this 2020 video that reviews the history of the MacBook Air and the significant design changes from 2008 to 2010 to 2018 plus some tweaks in 2020. Unless your only criteria for "design" is the general geometry of the bottom case (without regard to dimensions, ports, keyboard, Touch ID, or trackpad), there is no doubt that the design has changed over the years.


BTW - I like the new design of the 2022 M2 MBA. I have a 2020 i3 MBA, so might upgrade to the M2 2022 MBA in the future. Over the last 10 years, we have had numerous MBAs in the family, and they have all been great machines.

edit: actually they did not have the same screen size the whole time….recall the MBA 11.3 in.
Yes they had the same screen size. The 11” is a netbook that stands on its own even though it has the same fundamental design. Now Apple has in fact redesigned the Air and it has… wait for it… a different screen size of 13.6”.
 
“Yes they had the same screen size. The 11” is a netbook that stands on its own even though it has the same fundamental design.”

People, there’s no point discussing this with him. He’ll just invent new classifications (eg it’s a netbook, it doesn’t count). It’s better to just walk away slowly.
 
“Yes they had the same screen size. The 11” is a netbook that stands on its own even though it has the same fundamental design.”

People, there’s no point discussing this with him. He’ll just invent new classifications (eg it’s a netbook, it doesn’t count). It’s better to just walk away slowly.
The MacBook Air 13.3" has stayed the exact same screen size for the entire time. Apple created a different MacBook Air with a smaller screen. Not hard to understand. Then, Apple REDESIGNED THE MACBOOK AIR 13.3" with the M2 and increased the screen size to 13.6". No point discussing this with you because you'll just invent new logic and realities.
 
It's also rather insulting—Apple never used the term Netbook for any of their laptops of any time, and in fact at the intro of the original MBA criticized the term and the field. They would be suprised to learn decades later one of their works had been declared a netbook.
No they would not. Steve Jobs was against netbooks but they came up with their own competitive product that had the form factor of a netbook with much less of the compromises. This is exactly the market this product was for.

Media at the time talked about it in the class of a netbook. An example from ZDNET:

"MacBook Air 11-inch: What a netbook should look like"​


 
The MacBook Air 13.3" has stayed the exact same screen size for the entire time. Apple created a different MacBook Air with a smaller screen. Not hard to understand. Then, Apple REDESIGNED THE MACBOOK AIR 13.3" with the M2 and increased the screen size to 13.6". No point discussing this with you because you'll just invent new logic and realities.
Yes, and the base MacBook Pro had exactly the same screen size of 13.3 inches also. Apple also offered it in larger options for years. This notion that screen size is the determinant of “new” design is ludicrous, and then ignore the fact that they offered an 11 in MBA..…absurd. Or, to fixate on the fact that they used aluminum in past and present designs…..so, what? The 202 M2 MBA has an all-aluminum unibody enclosure. I really don’t know what you are getting at with this stuff. If you want to argue that 2022 is a major redesign for the MBA from 2018, no one would disagree. Just stop with this ridiculous contention that the MBA hasn’t had redesigns in the past 13 years. It’s pointless and incorrect. You just keep making-up your own personal definition of “re-design” to fit a silly contention that does not matter.

I need to take the advice of others and just walk away slowly. Ugh!
 
Yes, and the base MacBook Pro had exactly the same screen size of 13.3 inches also. Apple also offered it in larger options for years. This notion that screen size is the determinant of “new” design is ludicrous, and then ignore the fact that they offered an 11 in MBA..…absurd. Or, to fixate on the fact that they used aluminum in past and present designs…..so, what? The 202 M2 MBA has an all-aluminum unibody enclosure. I really don’t know what you are getting at with this stuff. If you want to argue that 2022 is a major redesign for the MBA from 2018, no one would disagree. Just stop with this ridiculous contention that the MBA hasn’t had redesigns in the past 13 years. It’s pointless and incorrect. You just keep making-up your own personal definition of “re-design” to fit a silly contention that does not matter.

I need to take the advice of others and just walk away slowly. Ugh!
It's not ludicrous but the bottom line is even the 11.6" netbook MacBook Air is the same design. And no, I will not stop. You just keep making up your own personal definition of "re-design" to fit a silly contention that you keep advancing.
 
Dude...consider this me taking you to one side in the bar with my arm round your shoulder.

Like I said earlier, you started off with a great thread, but now you're seriously coming across disrespectfully, just out to disagree with anyone who doesn't share your opinion about literally anything, be it the re-design of the Air (which clearly HAS been re-designed numerous times in its lifetime, not just 2022, even though, yes, previous models all had a familial look and feel), or your original bone of contention that some people didn't agree the M2 is the best Macbook, where again you just could not accept a different opinion.

Maybe in real life you're used to wearing the trousers in a disagreement and having the final say.
But out here in internet-land, we're all equal, and most all opinions, within reason, and which don't promote exclusion or discrimination, are valid.
Including those who believe, in this instance, (a) the M2 Air is not the best Macbook in the lineup, and (b) it's not the first time in 13 years the Air has been re-designed. Though I'd contend that (b) is factual and not an opinion.

Bit of advice for a continued peaceful life, learn to accept others' opinions.

MF
 
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I've had the M2 MBA for a few weeks now. Midnight Blue. 24 GB RAM, 1 TB HD, maxed out essentially. I've owned almost every Apple laptop ever made. I used to run a Website that covered the history of Apple laptops. I also use to buy and sell used Apple laptops, take them apart, mod them, etc.

My favourite Apple laptop of all time was the Wallstreet PowerBook. Now, the MBA M2 has taken the crown. My 14" MBP M1 is collecting dust as I continue to reach for and extensively use the MBA. Here are my reasons as to why the MBA M2 is the best laptop Apple has ever made:

  • Thin and light beyond thin and light: this is effectively the thinnest and lightest laptop Apple has ever made (yes the smaller 'netbook' 12" MacBook is an exception). I can't stress enough what this brings to the user experience. It's like an iPad in a way, but a full and powerful laptop. This is one major and significant factor of why the M2 MBA is such a good laptop.
  • It looks really good, especially the midnight blue (subjective I know).
  • The keyboard is very good and isn't compromised over the MBPs.
  • The screen is very good, and this is coming from a user of a 14" MBP with a mini-LED display. I honestly don't notice much difference when I use the M2 MBA over the 14" MBP. They really improved the screen over the M1 MBA.
  • It's very fast. The M2 is really a solid performer and I notice no speed differences between the M2 MBA and the 14" MBP.
  • Best battery life this side of Texas. I'm getting over 10 hours consistently, in low power mode I may even reach 12 hours.
  • It doesn't heat up much, and yet still manages to deliver power.
  • Dead. Silent. Operation. No fans, no moving parts.
Things I don't like: notch (hate it) and the speaker quality isn't great but ok.

Apple has delivered an extremely light and thin and small laptop with little compromise on usability or power. Sing it with me:

Thank you for your advice. I've read a lot in the past few weeks, saw tens of comparisons on youtube "MBA M2 vs MBP M1 pro" and most of them recommended clearly MBP over MBA. It seemed that only crazy people was willing to buy the MBA M2. Everything was problem: scratchy connectors, overheating, throttling, fingerprints, price, display ... and the worst part is that this kind of advice came from teenagers with dubious expertise whose aim is just to get views.

Thank you again for sharing your technical thoughts about this laptop.
 
The 2008 did not have a wedge shaped design. Watch Job's late-2010 intro of the MBA. It is a complete redesign. The 2010 was a completely different design than the 2018. Other than having a wedge shaped bottom case, they shared very little. Different enclosure, Different bezels, Different Keyboard, Different Screen (Retina), Different ports, No MagSafe, Different size trackpad. It probably required a significant change to the production tooling. How much different does it have to be?
He's right, but I would say that the 2008 has a tapered front design, but not a wedge design. By the same token, even though the previous iMacs taper to a point at the sides, you wouldn't consider them wedge designs.

2008, 2010, and 2022 were unique designs; all the other changes were just updates to the existing designs.

If you were to place a 2015 Air and an M1 Air in front of someone who had never seen them before; they would likely think that the M1 was just a higher spec version of the same computer. Whereas the 2015 and M2 Airs look like very different computers.
 
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Thank you for your advice. I've read a lot in the past few weeks, saw tens of comparisons on youtube "MBA M2 vs MBP M1 pro" and most of them recommended clearly MBP over MBA. It seemed that only crazy people was willing to buy the MBA M2. Everything was problem: scratchy connectors, overheating, throttling, fingerprints, price, display ... and the worst part is that this kind of advice came from teenagers with dubious expertise whose aim is just to get views.

Thank you again for sharing your technical thoughts about this laptop.
So tired of kids repeating the same thing on YouTube.
 
Kids usually don't lie.
Kids most certainly do lie. They are just bad at it. Teenagers famously lie as a way of avoiding parental oversight and rules. They are just ridiculously transparent because their parents lied about the same stuff when they were teenagers. As people grow-up, most adults learn the value of integrity and credibility. But, it isn't always intuitive to a child....so, it takes a little time.

Well, that was a heck of a digression from the main topic. 😊
 
What?

The 16" has better battery life than the MBA.

Even the 13" MBP has better battery life.
how does battery life compare between these: 16 inch MacBook Pro, 14 inch MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air m2.
 
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