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But that's cellphone service. Apple sells a cellphone. It is called the iPhone.
I'm not about to get an iPhone JUST because I want an iPod with a mobile broadband service plan. Notice my choice of terminology. BTW, they offer the same thing in the Amazon Kindle. I wouldn't call THAT an iPhone if I valued my life. EVDO, 3G, WiMax or whatever is INEVITABLY going into just about every product Apple sells (or anybody for that matter).

This way, when you travel abroad, you can have it switch seamlessly. Different capabilities for different countries. It ain't brain surgery to find that this method is profitable.

That would be stupid. They sell iPods worldwide! Why would they tie it to a service that's mostly only in the US? and not even everywhere in the US. Try again: there will be no cellular services for any iPod besides the iPhone. When will people finally get that?

Obviously you don't have Verizon or Sprint service. If you did, you'd see that in just about every place there is that little EV icon above the 1X symbol (if you have VZW, that is; I've no idea how Sprint does it). Besides, it's EVERYWHERE that I happen to be. Get over it.

Also, I think that the iPod Touch was woefully underfeatured compared to the iPhone, and even moreso now since the iPhone is now the iPhone 3G. Apple just hung the Touch out to wither and die IMHO and they continued to **** users over by forcing them to pay for updates. Let's not forget that MOST, if not ALL iPod Touch apps REQUIRE a constant data connection! NOT EVERYBODY IS WITHIN RANGE OF A WI-FI HOTSPOT ALL THE TIME!!! Stop feeling like the kings of the world because you happen to always be within Wi-Fi range. Remember the rest of us who aren't always within that sort of range (like if we have to travel to a BFE corner of the world, or at least a hotel with ****** Internet).

There's no question in my mind: Apple could take over the mobile device market (and steal everyone from RIM) if iPod Touch was a mobile broadband device. But (and this is a big but), if the iPod Touch could BECOME an iPhone with a way to pay a bit extra, maybe even a monthly fee as well, then I'd be in. However, as I've said before, Apple could own the market IF AND ONLY IF they came out with a prepaid phone that was MILES beyond everything else and prepaid SERVICE that was MILES beyond everything else. However, I feel as if Apple should do this themselves because I'd rather not have to go into an AT&T store and say I want an iPhone because that's the only way I can have one. I have no interest in paying $80 per month for what ATT was offering only a year ago for at least HALF that price, and NO added TXT messaging fees. I want to have the freedom to TXT all I want, I want to have the freedom to talk all I want to (within the limitations), and I want to use all the other features (like ringtones) and apps (like Facebook) and I want to not have to pay $80 a month for that priviledge.

AT&T can go **** themselves, I'm not about to buy an iPhone and be locked in to AT&T just because I want a better phone experience. I'm certain those of you who were pissed off at Rogers in Canada feel the same way. What about O2 in Ireland? What about T-Mobile Germany? What about every other service provider who decided that having an exclusivity deal on the iPhone gave them the license to **** consumers over? What do you say to them? That they have to live with what Apple provides them? That's a STUPID way to do business, and a SWIFT way to lose customers FAST.

I'm going to bed. I certainly hope that people think about this. People, THINK about those who still don't have iPhones and THINK about WHY that might be. In my case (yes, I have no iPhone), it's NOT price and it's NOT features. My reason for not buying an iPhone are the ****** exclusivity deals that Apple made with providers like AT&T, O2, etc. Apple breaks that, they have a customer. If not, then fine.

Make the iPhone nonexclusive. Sell the phone, not the service provider. THAT'S how you allow the iPhone to take over the world. Think about it.

BJ
 
I'm not about to get an iPhone JUST because I want an iPod with a mobile broadband service plan. Notice my choice of terminology. BTW, they offer the same thing in the Amazon Kindle. I wouldn't call THAT an iPhone if I valued my life. EVDO, 3G, WiMax or whatever is INEVITABLY going into just about every product Apple sells (or anybody for that matter).

This way, when you travel abroad, you can have it switch seamlessly. Different capabilities for different countries. It ain't brain surgery to find that this method is profitable.



Obviously you don't have Verizon or Sprint service. If you did, you'd see that in just about every place there is that little EV icon above the 1X symbol (if you have VZW, that is; I've no idea how Sprint does it). Besides, it's EVERYWHERE that I happen to be. Get over it.

Also, I think that the iPod Touch was woefully underfeatured compared to the iPhone, and even moreso now since the iPhone is now the iPhone 3G. Apple just hung the Touch out to wither and die IMHO and they continued to **** users over by forcing them to pay for updates. Let's not forget that MOST, if not ALL iPod Touch apps REQUIRE a constant data connection! NOT EVERYBODY IS WITHIN RANGE OF A WI-FI HOTSPOT ALL THE TIME!!! Stop feeling like the kings of the world because you happen to always be within Wi-Fi range. Remember the rest of us who aren't always within that sort of range (like if we have to travel to a BFE corner of the world, or at least a hotel with ****** Internet).

There's no question in my mind: Apple could take over the mobile device market (and steal everyone from RIM) if iPod Touch was a mobile broadband device. But (and this is a big but), if the iPod Touch could BECOME an iPhone with a way to pay a bit extra, maybe even a monthly fee as well, then I'd be in. However, as I've said before, Apple could own the market IF AND ONLY IF they came out with a prepaid phone that was MILES beyond everything else and prepaid SERVICE that was MILES beyond everything else. However, I feel as if Apple should do this themselves because I'd rather not have to go into an AT&T store and say I want an iPhone because that's the only way I can have one. I have no interest in paying $80 per month for what ATT was offering only a year ago for at least HALF that price, and NO added TXT messaging fees. I want to have the freedom to TXT all I want, I want to have the freedom to talk all I want to (within the limitations), and I want to use all the other features (like ringtones) and apps (like Facebook) and I want to not have to pay $80 a month for that priviledge.

AT&T can go **** themselves, I'm not about to buy an iPhone and be locked in to AT&T just because I want a better phone experience. I'm certain those of you who were pissed off at Rogers in Canada feel the same way. What about O2 in Ireland? What about T-Mobile Germany? What about every other service provider who decided that having an exclusivity deal on the iPhone gave them the license to **** consumers over? What do you say to them? That they have to live with what Apple provides them? That's a STUPID way to do business, and a SWIFT way to lose customers FAST.

I'm going to bed. I certainly hope that people think about this. People, THINK about those who still don't have iPhones and THINK about WHY that might be. In my case (yes, I have no iPhone), it's NOT price and it's NOT features. My reason for not buying an iPhone are the ****** exclusivity deals that Apple made with providers like AT&T, O2, etc. Apple breaks that, they have a customer. If not, then fine.

Make the iPhone nonexclusive. Sell the phone, not the service provider. THAT'S how you allow the iPhone to take over the world. Think about it.

BJ

The iPod touch isn't a phone. End of story.
 
Bluetooth is more likely as many people might want to listen to music without having to have a wired set of headphones connected and to stream music eg. with a bluetooth audio streaming device from their Mac(Sony hws-bta2w for example).

I don't want to pay $729 and signup for a contract for a 3G 32gb touch in Australia-I'd only pay $500 for a 32GB touch in Australia-the iPhone is best suited to a contract based system.
 
I'm not about to get an iPhone JUST because I want an iPod with a mobile broadband service plan. Notice my choice of terminology. BTW, they offer the same thing in the Amazon Kindle. I wouldn't call THAT an iPhone if I valued my life. EVDO, 3G, WiMax or whatever is INEVITABLY going into just about every product Apple sells (or anybody for that matter).

This way, when you travel abroad, you can have it switch seamlessly. Different capabilities for different countries. It ain't brain surgery to find that this method is profitable.



Obviously you don't have Verizon or Sprint service. If you did, you'd see that in just about every place there is that little EV icon above the 1X symbol (if you have VZW, that is; I've no idea how Sprint does it). Besides, it's EVERYWHERE that I happen to be. Get over it.

Also, I think that the iPod Touch was woefully underfeatured compared to the iPhone, and even moreso now since the iPhone is now the iPhone 3G. Apple just hung the Touch out to wither and die IMHO and they continued to **** users over by forcing them to pay for updates. Let's not forget that MOST, if not ALL iPod Touch apps REQUIRE a constant data connection! NOT EVERYBODY IS WITHIN RANGE OF A WI-FI HOTSPOT ALL THE TIME!!! Stop feeling like the kings of the world because you happen to always be within Wi-Fi range. Remember the rest of us who aren't always within that sort of range (like if we have to travel to a BFE corner of the world, or at least a hotel with ****** Internet).

There's no question in my mind: Apple could take over the mobile device market (and steal everyone from RIM) if iPod Touch was a mobile broadband device. But (and this is a big but), if the iPod Touch could BECOME an iPhone with a way to pay a bit extra, maybe even a monthly fee as well, then I'd be in. However, as I've said before, Apple could own the market IF AND ONLY IF they came out with a prepaid phone that was MILES beyond everything else and prepaid SERVICE that was MILES beyond everything else. However, I feel as if Apple should do this themselves because I'd rather not have to go into an AT&T store and say I want an iPhone because that's the only way I can have one. I have no interest in paying $80 per month for what ATT was offering only a year ago for at least HALF that price, and NO added TXT messaging fees. I want to have the freedom to TXT all I want, I want to have the freedom to talk all I want to (within the limitations), and I want to use all the other features (like ringtones) and apps (like Facebook) and I want to not have to pay $80 a month for that priviledge.

AT&T can go **** themselves, I'm not about to buy an iPhone and be locked in to AT&T just because I want a better phone experience. I'm certain those of you who were pissed off at Rogers in Canada feel the same way. What about O2 in Ireland? What about T-Mobile Germany? What about every other service provider who decided that having an exclusivity deal on the iPhone gave them the license to **** consumers over? What do you say to them? That they have to live with what Apple provides them? That's a STUPID way to do business, and a SWIFT way to lose customers FAST.

I'm going to bed. I certainly hope that people think about this. People, THINK about those who still don't have iPhones and THINK about WHY that might be. In my case (yes, I have no iPhone), it's NOT price and it's NOT features. My reason for not buying an iPhone are the ****** exclusivity deals that Apple made with providers like AT&T, O2, etc. Apple breaks that, they have a customer. If not, then fine.

Make the iPhone nonexclusive. Sell the phone, not the service provider. THAT'S how you allow the iPhone to take over the world. Think about it.

BJ

Wow. Good for you, I'm glad that you have evdo (I do have verizon and I'm always surprised when I see that little ev pop up, it's mostly just in Portland and Salem) anyway you obviously know nothing about the way the device needs to have different features than the iPhone. Since your suggestion is soooo blatently obvious I'm sure Apple has considered it (or at least thought about it for a second before saying, "gee that would be stupid") so if you're right then your requested features will 100% for sure be in the next revision of the iPod touch on Tuesday.
 
What do you mean you people?

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i was hoping like hell that was a tropic thunder reference, i love RDj:D
oh, i really need a new dp neways
 
Let's not forget that MOST, if not ALL iPod Touch apps REQUIRE a constant data connection!

BJ

Why would you need a constant data connection to
a. listen to music that is already on your iPod?
b. look at photos that are stored on your iPod?
c. watch a video that is stored on the iPod?
d. Enter an event on your calendar?

I can't believe you need constant data connection for most apps.
 
Why would you need a constant data connection?
No iPod media app needs data connection. In case you haven't noticed, the home screen on an upated Touch has:

1. Safari
2. Mail
3. Youtube
4. Stocks
5. Weather
6. Apps store
7. iTunes
8. Not positive, but I suspect the clock updates itself via internet as well. The calendar might also.

That's 50% of the default apps. They only work if you're within accessible wifi range. I don't think Apple will put an omnipresent data connection on the Touch, but it could sure benefit from one.
 
Just reading through this and I am still confused

People want and iPod Touch with GPS, 3G etc, but dont want to have the iPhone

IMO, wouldnt the iPhone on Pay as You go, with a data contract only do this

iPod Touch with GPS, 3G etc allowing a monthly data only contract would be the same/similar to an iPhone PAYG with a monthly data plan
:confused:
 
OP, there's really one simple reason Apple isn't going to put 3G into an iPod touch: those who buy the iPod touch don't want to pay for a cellular service for it and mess with a carrier, contract, etc... there's the iPhone for the people that want to do that.


yes! thank you, exactly my thoughts. im buying an ipod touch because of the fact that its a music player, abeit a really cool one. the fact that it has wifi is an awesome bonus, but i would pay the money just for the touch screen. im not going to buy it if i have to pay monthly bills to be able to use the 3G network. notice who the iphone and ipod touch customers usually are. most teens have ipod touch's and NOT iphones, because they cannot or are not willing to pay $60 bucks a month for a plan their not going to be using all the parts of. most teens have their own phone and pay a much smaller amount, and although it may be nice, i never hear any one of my friends or anybody really complain that they cant go on the internet EVERYWHERE they go. the wifi is still new stuff in the market. not very much else has it in mp3 players, and whatever does, isnt very popular. thats why i dont agree that 3G is gonna get on the ipod touch.... theres no market for it in teen circles. i have a job, i make lots of cash, but im not willing to pay even $10 bucks a month for internet anywhere (which is way slower than wifi too) when i have wireless signal EVERYWHERE that i can hook up to, my neighbors, and my school has one..... and most restaurants have them, like mcdonalds and such, so thats basically everywhere i go anyways, and like i said before, the ipod touch is meant for the teen group.
 
i could understand GPS but 3G?

no, because why would you bother getting a Touch when you could just get an iPhone. You'll be paying data plans anyhow to access 3G.
 
No iPod media app needs data connection. In case you haven't noticed, the home screen on an upated Touch has:

1. Safari
2. Mail
3. Youtube
4. Stocks
5. Weather
6. Apps store
7. iTunes
8. Not positive, but I suspect the clock updates itself via internet as well. The calendar might also.

That's 50% of the default apps. They only work if you're within accessible wifi range. I don't think Apple will put an omnipresent data connection on the Touch, but it could sure benefit from one.

yes, i do agree that it would benefit from one, but its definantly not going to be free, and until it is, than i doubt very many people are going to be willing to pay for a monthly plan on the ipod touch, which is what 90% of people who want ipods (or need new ones) are going to want to get. they dont pay for anything on their old ipods, and their definantly not going to want to pay on their new ones either.
 
I could plausibly see GPS, but 3G is a no-go. Who would you get mobile service through?

where would the chipsets go? The iPod touch has been able to have double the capacity of iPhones bc there is no cellular antenna. What would be the difference of the touch and the iPhone then? There's also no microphone on the touch. Using your logic, iPod touch owners cannot use apps such as shazam to tag music they hear. Will the iPod touch get a mic too? Then just get an iPhone.
 
Just thought I'd do a last minute post before the big event.

So far I'm feeling comfortable with my initial predictions. Earlier this week we saw possible leaked case designs for the new Touch showing a much more iPhone-like back case with the curved design and much thicker middle section. I posted a few pages back that this might be evidence of the inclusion of radio circuitry, which would explain a need for a bigger case.

Also, in just the last few hours Arn has posted some tidbits suggesting that the Touch is not getting any capacity increases - which poses the question, what's going to be new?

Well, if Apple are now ready to use the 32GB single-chip modules coming onto the market (a reasonable proposition) then that would allow the new Touch to have 3G data circuitry and yet still maintain the current capacities with the one-memory-chip design the iPhone has.

I still stand by my prediction. If Apple aren't going to offer a 64GB model, what's all that space in the case for?
 
I don't see the objective to a device having this. I know it seems unlikely but this is something that we shouldn't be thinking of as just an iPod. Think of it as a computer. People tend to use iPhones more for the phone. Without talking, then it leaves more use for apps.

I think it is a reasonable thought. A camera would also add something to it. ALthough being that they have some extra room, hopefully a beter camera than the iPhone.

Also, another reason to have it is MobileMe. If you think about it, that would help the service a decent amount. Given that not everybody can get an iPhone. And that is not just because of contracts.(well indirectly it is)
 
I'd be happy if the Touch got 3G and GPS. Hopefully not having the phone or the camera would make it cheaper, but how much cheaper I don't know. £329 for a 32 GB with the twelve months of unlimited data like the forthcoming PAYG iPhone would be pretty sweet.
 
OP is obviously stupid. It's an iPod. not an iPhone. if you want 3g and GPS, then get an iPhone. iPod touch isn't meant to be a total replacement for an iPhone, so if you want one that bad, then get one.


3G is oONLY available for mobile phones. There are no exceptions, there will NEVER be an iPod with 3G. only phones.
 
3G is ONLY available for mobile phones. There are no exceptions, there will NEVER be an iPod with 3G. only phones.

So why do laptops, modems, UMPCs, etc. have 3G? No difference with the Touch it's just smaller isn't it?
 
3G is oONLY available for mobile phones. There are no exceptions, there will NEVER be an iPod with 3G. only phones.

as already stated mobile broadband is 3G which you stick into a laptop so no it's NOT just mobile phones that can have 3G.

I agree on the ipod not having 3G it makes no sense for it to have 3G cause then it's like whats the point of the iPhone?
 
as already stated mobile broadband is 3G which you stick into a laptop so no it's NOT just mobile phones that can have 3G.

I agree on the ipod not having 3G it makes no sense for it to have 3G cause then it's like whats the point of the iPhone?

Erm, if it has 3G but no way of making calls or SMS (basically the phone functions are stripped out and there's no way a SIM card could work with it), then the iPhone won't have any sort of competition.
 
Erm, if it has 3G but no way of making calls or SMS (basically the phone functions are stripped out and there's no way a SIM card could work with it), then the iPhone won't have any sort of competition.

did u even read what I said properly? I was in agreement that it wouldn't have 3G it wouldn't make any business sense for apple to make a competitor against one of it's own products since the iPhone is now there flagship product.
 
why do you guys want 3G? Just buy an iphone. I hope this refresh will have GPS, Camera, and Bluetooth. Apple will have one happy customer if they release that.
 
GPS and a microphone and I'd be thrilled!

You won't see it, because someone would write a skype-style app and cannibalize iPhone sales, but it would be seriously cool.

The problem with GPS is the maps. I'd want it to work without being on-line, which would require you to download maps. That could tie up some space, which is one negative, but I'm also not sure how easy it would be to prevent users from "sharing" maps bundles. Garmin (et. al.) do to try to make some money off of the "latest" maps. But they could always bundle that loss into the cost of the application.

The problem is that a GPS application with downloadable maps would only be interesting to touch users - iphone users would rather have it built into the google maps application that is already working for them 100% of the time. That makes developing an application that works with downloaded maps a lot less interesting to Tom Tom or developers like that.
 
did u even read what I said properly? I was in agreement that it wouldn't have 3G it wouldn't make any business sense for apple to make a competitor against one of it's own products since the iPhone is now there flagship product.

Many mobile phone consumers want a cool phone, and don't pay much attention to what they are paying monthly (or the fact that they could buy an iPod Touch and get a cheap £10 PAYG phone for less money).

The iPod Touch 3G (or EDGE or even possibly WiMax) would be for the price conscious, data orientated user not the bling, bling user.
 
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