Why wasn't this in Job's speech?

what really annoys me about the people that are complaining about the people complaining about the price, is that these are exactly the people that allow bad things to happen in our society as a whole. if you don't agree with something and you think it's unjustified, then enough people complaining can potentially make a difference. if you simply roll over, let them screw you as hard as they want and think it's fine because "that's just how it is", then you're just asking for them to think up even worse ways to get over on you.

Do I agree with the increased price? Absolutely not. I'd pure stupidity to not include any text messages at all in the data plan. Am I not going to buy the iPhone 3G because of this? No. Although I think it's too much, I realize that it's on par with what AT&T charges for other smartphones, so it's not like they're charging you more than other phones just to use the iPhone.

I'm just really tired of people brushing off the complaints saying "if you don't like it, don't buy it". Sure you can drive a point home to a company by having a mass boycott of their product, but mass complaints also have been known to get things moving.
 
Sorry, I guess I wasn't expecting a backlash as if I was the bad guy or something. I was just tying to make the whole thing as clear as possible. Even after my clear image, some seem to think I was complaining about just the raised data price, totally missing the word "FORCED" in all caps. The whole thing just stinks.
 
elbirth said:
Actually he did "trick" people, considering he never mentioned service plan pricing at all, which led all of the hopeful people to believe that the plan would stay the same. Just because a press release came out shortly thereafter to tell us more details doesn't mean facts weren't purposely withheld from the keynote in order to not put a damper on it.
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I don't think he tricked anyone. Right after the announcement everyone assumed the 3G data plan would be exactly the same as it already was for AT&T. Nothing about this surprised me. I'm not sure why it did you.

I do, however, think that they could lower the price and people complaining will do nothing. Not buying it speaks a heck of a lot louder.
 
The 1st Gen Iphone used an edge Network if you are into standing around for 10 min while your webpage loads up go right ahead, but that is why most people used WIFI.

Apples fix for this was a 3G network to speed things up, now with that speed came a price boost. I don't know about you but, here in Canada the only place to find Wifi is in your house.

The 3G network will give you high speed internet anywhere but there is a price with that.

In todays world Gas prices are rising cost of living is rising we just don't need anymore price Gouging for things we like. If we can save $50 here and there that would defiantly be a bonus.
 
QuarterSwede said:
I don't think he tricked anyone. Right after the announcement everyone assumed the 3G data plan would be exactly the same as it already was for AT&T. Nothing about this surprised me. I'm not sure why it did you.
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I didn't say I was surprised. I expect the 3G plan to be more expensive as well. But I didn't expect them to make me pay $5 a month if I want 200 text messages (when they were already included in the old plan), let alone $20 for unlimited.

My point, though, is that there were in fact a lot of people that expected the price to stay the same. I recall dozens of threads of people asking if others thought the price would go up, and a lot of people were saying they figured it would stay the same since they'd had previous experience with getting a 3G capable phone and not paying more per month. Now, whether or not these people were just flat out loony and didn't know what they were talking about, I don't know.
 
for those that don't want data plan

I dont know if anyone really wants this news or not, but i just spoke to a ATT rep a few hours ago at a store, one which I will probably be going to. the guy told me that since I didn't have a data plan on my iPhone (I'm a student with wifi on campus and home) that I will not be forced the data plan since I am eligible for an upgrade and all I'll be doing is upgrading my phone. So I hope this helps some people. My plan was to get the 3G iPhone and either sell it unlocked so I could have my younger brother and sister join me with a family plan. So we pay less individually since I never finish my monthly minutes anyway. But I hope this helps someone.

I also had this news also given to me by a phone rep after the iPhone 3G was announced on June 11th
 
elbirth said:
I didn't say I was surprised. I expect the 3G plan to be more expensive as well. But I didn't expect them to make me pay $5 a month if I want 200 text messages (when they were already included in the old plan), let alone $20 for unlimited.
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Ahh I see.

One thing I'd like to see is AT&T making their plans and upgrade options less convoluted. It's insane when even the reps get confused (has happened to me more than once when asking a simple question).
 
citron230 said:
They are trying to stop people from selling them and using them on other networks. ATT probably lost a lot of money this way...
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I don't think ATT lost any money that way. I'm sure the deal was that they paid Apple for each month that a phone was on contract. No contract, no money paid.

With 25% of phones being unlocked and sent elsewhere, there's no way that ATT would've let home activation continue if they had to pay for each phone that was sold in their or Apple's stores.

As far as Jobs goes... he's a talented wordsmith and salesman. Anyone who takes anything he says at face value, is naive.
 
Isn't there also a ~$20 "setup" fee or something from AT&T?
I thought I saw it described on those videos from AT&T.
 
I'm not trying to be rude or sarcastic here, so i apologize in advance if this is coming off harsh but...



You don't HAVE to buy it. Plans are plans and pricing is pricing. Complaining on a forum won't do much.
 
TimothyB said:
*Must be upgrade eligible
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Uh, he didn't say that because it's common sense. In fact, it's a bonus that current iPhone owners are able to buy it at all, the normal way cell phones work is, you sign a contract for 2 years service, you can't get another subsidized phone for 2 years.

And that "forced" data plan? The old iPhone had that too! It wasn't changing, the cheapest old plan was $60 a month with data, now it's $70 with data, finally matching the rest of AT&T's smartphone plans. The only way to get the old iPhone without a data plan would be to get it with the prepaid plan. So why should Steve Jobs have said anything about it?

elbirth said:
Actually he did "trick" people, considering he never mentioned service plan pricing at all, which led all of the hopeful people to believe that the plan would stay the same. Just because a press release came out shortly thereafter to tell us more details doesn't mean facts weren't purposely withheld from the keynote in order to not put a damper on it.
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So, um, you think he should have dedicated an hour of his speech to discuss service plans with all the providers in all the countries that the iPhone 3G was going to be sold at?
 
iJesus said:
Isn't there also a ~$20 "setup" fee or something from AT&T?
I thought I saw it described on those videos from AT&T.
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There's an $18 upgrade fee for existing ATT customers, considered an activation kind of thing. It's pretty much standard any upgrade using a discount. Many people say you can just call ATT later and have it waived.

That's about half the price of a new customer activation fee, which I think was $36
 
DreamPod said:
Uh, he didn't say that because it's common sense. In fact, it's a bonus that current iPhone owners are able to buy it at all, the normal way cell phones work is, you sign a contract for 2 years service, you can't get another subsidized phone for 2 years.

And that "forced" data plan? The old iPhone had that too! It wasn't changing, the cheapest old plan was $60 a month with data, now it's $70 with data, finally matching the rest of AT&T's smartphone plans. The only way to get the old iPhone without a data plan would be to get it with the prepaid plan. So why should Steve Jobs have said anything about it?
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Really, guess I missed that. You had to choose the $20 data plan before? I heard people removing the data plan later , but never thought to ask if they had to choose it to begin with. So does this mean later you can remove the 3G data plan from your account? If so, I guess that's not as bad as I thought it was. So if you find you hardly use it, you can at least take that $30 off your bill.

Yep, I know how subsidizing works. I bought a subsidized phone March 2007, and my earliest upgrade is in Nov. this year. But if I had bought an iPhone some time between that, the bonus would allow me to upgrade despite the status of my previous subsidized phone.
 
WOW this is good news! with so many people complaining about the price plans makes me think the lines are going to be very small come July 11. Better chance for me to get an iPhone!
:)

All this moaning reminds me of someone I know who got into a lease for a luxury car last year, yes the lease terms made the car affordable for him, but he's having problems paying for the routine maintenance of the car. My advice, do your research people, and if you can't afford it, move along...
 
TimothyB

i'm seeing the obvious and i think slowly many others are too...Jobs has taken a major turn south with the tons of money he's making because the same con game microsoft and gates played out with Windows...Jobs is now doing with Apple...and so far a lot of you are still buying his stuff....and you too will realize his con too......
 
DreamPod said:
So, um, you think he should have dedicated an hour of his speech to discuss service plans with all the providers in all the countries that the iPhone 3G was going to be sold at?
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No, actually. He didn't spell out how much the iPhone itself would cost in other countries (just that it would be available), so why should he even mention service plan pricing in other countries in the keynote? That wouldn't make much sense. He did, however, mention the cost of the phone to those of us in the U.S., and since he mentioned that part of the cost, he should have had the balls to at least say what the starting price was for AT&T in the U.S. Even if he didn't say the actual starting price, he could have made a note that it would be $10 more for the data plan since it's a faster network. I'm sure he could have spun it in a way to make it sound like the extra $10 was doing us a favor in some way.
It all boils down to this- he should not have spent so much energy stressing the point that it's twice as fast at half the cost when that is an outright lie. Yes the cost of the iPhone is half-priced. But he specifically said it's on a network that is twice the speed yet you're paying half the cost. That is a lie since in order to get the faster speed, you have to pay more for a service plan. If he wanted to avoid mentioning cost and not directly lie to us, he should have just said something like "all new iPhone at half the price" or something more snazzy without mentioning the network it's on.
 
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