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Why wont Apple make a 2 button Mouse?
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Lots of people do not use the stock mouse that comes with their machine I'd venture to say a significant amount of people buy a new mouse specific to their needs (optical, mutliple buttons, gaming, etc.) and rarely use the mouse that comes with their machine.
Plenty of companies out there specialize in making mice, so Apple is just leaving that to the experts. Plenty of people are happy with 1-button mice as well, so to each their own.
I agree though, it would be pretty painless for Apple to start including 2-button mice with their systems. It's not something that bothers me though...
Plenty of companies out there specialize in making mice, so Apple is just leaving that to the experts. Plenty of people are happy with 1-button mice as well, so to each their own.
I agree though, it would be pretty painless for Apple to start including 2-button mice with their systems. It's not something that bothers me though...
MacNut said:
when was the last time you tried to teach someone new to computers how to use a two or three button mouse? and a one button mouse?
people learn two button mice because there are no other alternatives in the windows world, and windows is the most popular operating system. the two button mouse is used because windows is used, not the other way around.
and trust me, the learning curve is much steeper with two button mice.
How many people use their apple mouse? I don't know too many people that really know computers that use their stock mouse, whether they have a mac or pc. I think it really is a moot point.
I know this was sort of said before, but I really thought it was worth saying again.
I know this was sort of said before, but I really thought it was worth saying again.
rueyeet said:
You mean those same menus that appear if you click AND HOLD the (single/left) mouse button?
Well, why doesn't my PC come with a mouse that not only has left and right buttons, but also has a scroll wheel that acts as a middle mouse button and allows left-right scrolling and has dual thumb buttons and is optical? Oh, and cordless, too!
dejo said:
Exactly. You'd be shocked to know just how many people aren't even aware of functionality like that in OS X...
Personly I hate the Apple 1 button mouse. But at the same token I hate the mice that come with PCs stock.
I am among the people who take the stock mouse that comes with the computer and it is the first thing I thow in a desk and replace.
The 1 button mouse is good for people who dont really understand how to use a computer and simpler. But for me I dont like using a mouse that has less than 5 buttons now. It makes surfing the web a lot easier. Now that I have grown very attact to my MX1000 with it extra buttons. It make doing a lot of stuff a lot easier.
Btw Dell give opictacal with there computers now
I am among the people who take the stock mouse that comes with the computer and it is the first thing I thow in a desk and replace.
The 1 button mouse is good for people who dont really understand how to use a computer and simpler. But for me I dont like using a mouse that has less than 5 buttons now. It makes surfing the web a lot easier. Now that I have grown very attact to my MX1000 with it extra buttons. It make doing a lot of stuff a lot easier.
Btw Dell give opictacal with there computers now
Timelessblur said:
Guess I'm a retard then, I love the Apple Pro Mouse.
In fact, it's the only mouse I'll use now. I am perfectly fine with hitting control then clicking.For some late night reading, I suggest reading some interviews with Bill Atkinson and his take on simplicity and easy of use. He's got a lot of interesting things to say.
And a mouse with 5 buttons? What the hell do you need so many buttons for?
Or how about a Apple optical mouse that uses a laser based tech. (Logitech introduced one very recently) with improved precsion.
MacSA said:
Well Apple has had protos of a wireless 2 button with scroll whell but... I think they and I both think its ugly... May be just a scroll whell in the midle and that would sell... But oh well...
5300cs said:Guess I'm a retard then, I love the Apple Pro Mouse.
For some late night reading, I suggest reading some interviews with Bill Atkinson and his take on simplicity and easy of use. He's got a lot of interesting things to say.
And a mouse with 5 buttons? What the hell do you need so many buttons for?
Wll you are right Bill Atkinson (disgener o things like MacPaint) would have only wanted it simple like it was for him with the Lisa and early Macs... Well I use a 6 button mouse as a decoation, I see no use for more then 2...
My parents still use the hockey puck on their iMac. Well, at least after I took my Kensington away from themwrldwzrd89 said:
They usually get use the single button right...And I bet I'm one of the few people who don't absolutely hate the hockey puck mouse. I just hold it with my fingertips, heck I hold my kensington that way too. Not many mice are actually big enough for my hand to fit comfortably.
Timelessblur said:
Well, I'll give you the simpler part. A 1 button mouse is definitely simpler. But on what grounds do you say "for people who don't really understand how to use a computer"? I'll bet there are plenty of people using 1-button mice and still really understand how to use a computer.
I do the exact same thing - the Apple mouse is difficult to hold any other way due to the whole top of it being the click button. That can cause problems when you need to move the whole mouse because you ran out of room, but that's my only complaint.Counterfit said:My parents still use the hockey puck on their iMac. Well, at least after I took my Kensington away from them
And I bet I'm one of the few people who don't absolutely hate the hockey puck mouse. I just hold it with my fingertips, heck I hold my kensington that way too. Not many mice are actually big enough for my hand to fit comfortably.
dejo said:
..and people who don't use terminal to command line everything. I agree, the really clever person has better things to do than just wrestle learning curves and fight their machine.
For people who don't really understand how to use a computer - Computers should help with tasks and not become one.
one button puck between thumb and middle fingers, an ideal drawing tool.
I really find ergonomic designs that assume everyone clasps a mouse in the palm very unusable.
Just to add why a multi button mouse can be useful. When I surf I do not necessarily have a hand on the keyboard, so the scroll wheel click to open the link in a new tab is just awesome. Also the lack of customization options for the expose keys makes a multi button mouse nice to have because the F buttons are just a pain the butt since they're all the way on the upper right.
Actually, you can set Exposé not to activate with keys at all, just screen corners. See attached screen shot.Diatribe said:
wrldwzrd89 said:
Thanks for thinking of me as some stupid computer retard
I have set them up like that and I find it really useful, BUT and that's supposed to be a big but
it is way faster hitting a key when your mouse is in the middle and then move it to the window and hit the key again. I can do this in 1/4 the time I'd need to go into the corner select and click.
Were you aware that you'll get even more options for the keys if you hold down one of the Mac modifier keys (Shift, Control, Option, Command) before you bring up the key select menu? You can even hold down multiple modifiers, such as Command and Option, before bringing up the menu, or all four if your fingers can cope. However, for some reason, it won't let you choose keys other than the function keys or the modifier keys, even when modifiers are depressed prior to opening the menu. I'd like to see the option of using keyboard combinations like Control+Shift+A or Command+Option+3 for Exposé. Obviously, keyboard shortcuts that use Option, Shift, or Option+Shift without another modifier will have to be excluded because those combinations already have characters assigned to them. For example, if I assigned Option+e to Exposé, I would no longer be able to type ´ very easily.Diatribe said:Thanks for thinking of me as some stupid computer retard
I have set them up like that and I find it really useful, BUT and that's supposed to be a big but
wrldwzrd89 said:
Yes I was. And this is exactly what I was referring to; having the option to use more than the function keys. Maybe I should've phrased that differently.
There are even more problems though:Diatribe said:
In addition to Option, Shift, and Option+Shift by itself being discarded, all the Command, Command+Shift, Command+Option, and Command+Option+Shift key bindings that have reserved meanings in Mac OS X must also be discarded. We wouldn't want to knock out the copy function (Command+C) by assigning it to Exposé, now would we?
We haven't even considered the Control key bindings that are specific to Terminal yet, either. These too would need to be discarded, else one could disable BASH's reverse-i search feature (Control+R) by assigning that combination to Exposé.