wrldwzrd89 said:
You forgot that OSX lets you use the fn key for expose though. How is this justified then? But you're right those should be excluded automatically.
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Why wont Apple make a 2 button Mouse?
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You forgot that OSX lets you use the fn key for expose though. How is this justified then? But you're right those should be excluded automatically.
Aha - but the fn key isn't present on desktop Mac keyboards, so it can't be a universal thing.Diatribe said:
wrldwzrd89 said:
Yep it isn't but still shouldn't be I guess, although I like it because I use it as my expose key. But my point still is that I want more keys. Why not build a keyboard with special Expose and Dashboard keys like the Windows keys? This would be nice. Since it is integrated so deeply into the OS why not have an easy access for it?
5300cs said:Guess I'm a retard then, I love the Apple Pro Mouse.In fact, it's the only mouse I'll use now. I am perfectly fine with hitting control then clicking.
For some late night reading, I suggest reading some interviews with Bill Atkinson and his take on simplicity and easy of use. He's got a lot of interesting things to say.
And a mouse with 5 buttons? What the hell do you need so many buttons for?
On the 5 button mouse it really easy. You have left and right click, scoll wheel (and it middle click) and Back and forward. My main mouse has 8 buttons the extra 3 are cruise control for going scrolling up and down with out ruling the wheel or using the middle click and the 8th button I program to be double click.
boy people take my comment that is the truth about the one button and twisted it. It is just simpler to us and general for the people who dont understand computer for it better and for people who just like things to be a simple as possible on there computer. I have heard some prenty lame arguments on why the one button mice are better and why they justify them (other wise making up excusses on why mulity button mice are worse). The only real argument that i have seen that holds any water is it just simpler.
Also the mouse of choice is something people are picky about. I can stand to be with out the scroll wheel (Yes I know about arrow keys but they blow).
Timelessblur said:
Correct. Mouse choice is a very personal matter. And there are plenty of after-market mice, scrollballs, trackpads, etc. available to suit those needs, for Macs and PCs. People who want more than the standard mouse that comes in the box can get one of these.
But the original question was why doesn't Apple make the standard mouse a two-button mouse? And my response was for many people the standard one-button mouse is sufficient. If Apple were to include a mouse with more buttons, scroll wheels, etc., where does it draw the line on features?
Apple could up it multiy button mouse support. Start offering a blue tooth multi button mouse since it clear that people like them.
The only people who are really effect and hurt by the lack of apple multi button mice are the ones who think that if apple doesnt not do it then it is not needed and it is a bad idea. Those people I going to put under the catigory of idoits and what ever they say I put as useless since they are blind to the truth.
More on topic Apple really does need to offer another mouse due to the third party supplier of mice. The first thing I do when I get a new computer is take the mouse that comes with it and put it in the deskdarw (or now in a box that I have spare computer stuff in) The collectoin of mice in that box has grown up to 4 now (2 from my laptops 1 for the family computer and 1 from the computer before than). Only reason that my desktop did not add one to that pop is I built it my self so I choose the mouse I wanted for it. I think all mice that come with the prebuilt computers are junk are the stock and belong in the junk box (including the apple mice). For me they jsut do not cover it.
As for the tracking pad the 1 button is fine heck on my laptop I really even hit any of the 3 buttons on it for the mouse. I tap the tracking pad for a click and sliding my finger up and down the right side is my scroll wheel. But most of the time I have a mouse plug into it any how because well tracking pads just blow for any real work.
The only people who are really effect and hurt by the lack of apple multi button mice are the ones who think that if apple doesnt not do it then it is not needed and it is a bad idea. Those people I going to put under the catigory of idoits and what ever they say I put as useless since they are blind to the truth.
More on topic Apple really does need to offer another mouse due to the third party supplier of mice. The first thing I do when I get a new computer is take the mouse that comes with it and put it in the deskdarw (or now in a box that I have spare computer stuff in) The collectoin of mice in that box has grown up to 4 now (2 from my laptops 1 for the family computer and 1 from the computer before than). Only reason that my desktop did not add one to that pop is I built it my self so I choose the mouse I wanted for it. I think all mice that come with the prebuilt computers are junk are the stock and belong in the junk box (including the apple mice). For me they jsut do not cover it.
As for the tracking pad the 1 button is fine heck on my laptop I really even hit any of the 3 buttons on it for the mouse. I tap the tracking pad for a click and sliding my finger up and down the right side is my scroll wheel. But most of the time I have a mouse plug into it any how because well tracking pads just blow for any real work.
5300cs said:And a mouse with 5 buttons? What the hell do you need so many buttons for?
I use my 5-button mouse like so:
Left click: obvious
Right click: obvious
Scroll-wheel click: expose - show all windows
Button-4: expose - show desktop
Button-5: expose - application windows
Just hitting the scroll wheel button to see all windows, then click the one I want, is soo much quicker and easier than minimizing windows, or moving them out of the way to get to the one behind it.
Well..that WAS how I used my mouse, until I downloaded the MS drivers, and it no longer supports using those bottons for expose. Getting rid of those drivers tonight, though.
Josh said:
Just the same, but I use the scroll-wheel click for konsposé which comes with konfabulator and will be a great add-on in Tiger
GulGnu said:
...none of which are compelling enough for apple to go against their design/usability philosophy and start offering non-single button (much less 5 button) mouse...
nothing against your point. you are right - for games, you need more than one button. but i don't think it's a big deal for apple to not include a multi-button mouse when users are quite picky about it anyway and also, there's an abandunce of third-party solutions.
i happen to like the single-button mouse included in macs, actually. i gave my mom an emac as a gift and knew that i didn't have to bother getting a third party mouse because she'd like the simplicity of single-button mouse and for a standard mouse included with a computer, apple pro mouse is a very high quality one.
sort of like the iPod earbuds. not the best, of course, but it's pretty good. certainly better than 99% of earbuds i've gotten with other portable devices, which are almost unsable from the getgo.
Timelessblur said:
What kind of laptops do you have that come with mice as a standard accessory? Certainly not Apple.
dejo said:
correct niehter one is from apple. I got the first back in 2001 shortly before windows XP came out and then it was replaced a year later under warrinty (I upgraded it at the same time) They had a package add on them that included some other stuff and a mouse that came with it.
Once upon a time this is exactly how Macs were sold, and the response was loud:jxyama said:
Consumers: Hey you cheapskates, you didn't even put a keyboard and mouse in the box!!!1!
Apple: Yes, we decided not to include them so that you only pay for the input devices you want.
Consumers: But you didn't even put a keyboard and mouse in the box!!!1! You're trying to rip us off, you cheapskates !!1@!11!2!!
Apple: Okay, you win. We'll go back to tossing our mouse and keyboard in the box.
Consumers: But we don't like yours! You're trying to make us pay for stuff we don't want, you greedy scum11!!!two!