Frisco said:
I wouldn't count on it, 10.4.7 is still missing an international support feature that was present in Jaguar and Panther.
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Will anyone miss Tiger?
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I wouldn't count on it, 10.4.7 is still missing an international support feature that was present in Jaguar and Panther.
Miss Tiger? Depends on how stable Leopard is, although I can't see the kernel and API jump being as big as the gap between Panther and Tiger. Although Spotlight is very useful and I have Tiger installed on both my Macs, I remember Panther as being the OSX I was most fond of. It was quick and stable for me, and it got rid of that awful stripey Jaguar look.
We'll see at WWDC what Leopard is like though. I'm hoping to see major revisions in the GUI side, but not so many changes underneath that we have to wait for software updates left, right and centre. More 64-bit would be nice, but only having an iMac G5, I'd probably only notice it when encoding DVDs.
We'll see at WWDC what Leopard is like though. I'm hoping to see major revisions in the GUI side, but not so many changes underneath that we have to wait for software updates left, right and centre. More 64-bit would be nice, but only having an iMac G5, I'd probably only notice it when encoding DVDs.
It is 10 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes and 30 seconds until Monday, August 7, 2006 at 10:00:00 AM (San Francisco time)
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Tiger is the OS (technically Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, because "Tiger" isnt an OS) that "sold" the Mac to me. I used it at a friends house, and when I left I knew I had to get one. Its strange, coswhen I was at his house I would say things like "If you do that it'll crash..." *works without crashing*...."hhhhmmm." 
stuartluff said:I bet Sherlock disappears!
At least Apple managed to get Sherlock out the door. Whatever happened to home on iPod?
Tinhead said:
Supposedly, Apple has long had two alternating OS development teams, one building in new technologies into the OS, the other developing an OS with features which use those technologies.
So, for instance, 10.2 was a technology release, introducing Quartz Extreme, Rendevous/Bonjour, the Address Book APIs and many more; 10.3 was a feature release (Expose and FUS using Quartz Extreme, iChat using Rendevous and the Address Book etc.); 10.4 was a technology release (Core Image, Core Video, Core Data, Quartz 2D Extreme - almost).
Not only is 10.5 likely to add features which make greater use of these new technologies, but supposedly they've merged the two teams for 10.5, and they've taken more time for this release than any other. Hence, this is possibly the biggest step forward of any OSX release.
stuartluff said:I bet Sherlock disappears!
And old-skoolers are checking their apps folder to see if they still really have it installed.
mkrishnan said:And old-skoolers are checking their apps folder to see if they still really have it installed.
Exactly!
whooleytoo said:
This would certainly make sense, especially given the fact OSX needs to shine next to Vista. And what you said about tech/feature releases following each other, sure seems to be that way. I guess we'll know in a week or so.
You live in a wonderful city, btw
I'm really looking forward to Leopard. This will be the first time that I've been a Mac user and apple have released a new OS.
So far, I've used OS 9 (fantastic), OS 10.0 (appaling), 10.1 (not quite as bad), and 10.4. All of them have been better than Winhoes, but Vista looks like it's gonna at least give consumers some eye-candy.
Has anybody seen what the next version of Novell linux is going to be able to do? You can rotate desktops, a bit like that free desktop switcher app where it uses the cube effect, but the next Novell version can do it a bit better. Have a look for yourselves...
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7587965514994593432&q=Novell+3D+desktop
I hope Leopard has some eye candy like that. That's what consumers want...
So far, I've used OS 9 (fantastic), OS 10.0 (appaling), 10.1 (not quite as bad), and 10.4. All of them have been better than Winhoes, but Vista looks like it's gonna at least give consumers some eye-candy.
Has anybody seen what the next version of Novell linux is going to be able to do? You can rotate desktops, a bit like that free desktop switcher app where it uses the cube effect, but the next Novell version can do it a bit better. Have a look for yourselves...
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7587965514994593432&q=Novell+3D+desktop
I hope Leopard has some eye candy like that. That's what consumers want...
Tinhead said:
It does seem a bit presumptuous to talk up an operating system when not a single feature (bar Boot Camp?) has been released, but even just based on the time Apple are taking for the project, the resources they're throwing at it, and the need for a big release to counter Vista, it's hard not be be excited about it.
Tinhead said:You live in a wonderful city, btw
Well, I obviously like it!
You've been? And you didn't call 'round? Tsk tsk..
JFreak said:Actually, the early Tiger releases (10.4.0 and 10.4.3) have been a lot better than some of the latest versions. I agree that with Jaguar and Panther the early versions were somewhat lacking, but you cannot assume Leopard's first version sucks. I have a gut feeling Apple is proving you wrong this time
Stability-wise, the best OSX versions Apple has ever released are 10.3.4 and 10.4.3, so it's not like the latest release is always the best. Perhaps feature-wise, but that's not all. In my mind Tiger has been disappointing and I'm very excited about Leopard. I hope it will be Panther-like in quality and stability.
I hope that your gut feeling is right because I'm still feeling the pain from 10.4.1 though 10.4.7 works well. If it used the Unified look-and-feel, it would be much easier to watch, too.
I think we can agree that Panther became really good with 10.3.4 but then, it wasn't until 10.3.7 that it was fully usable again. Apple makes mistakes, for sure.
I know... actually much more than any hardware announcements, I am really excited to hear what the gameplan is for Leopard's new features. It's clear Apple has been working hard on it, but we have no idea really what Leopard will contain, aside from the few things that have clearly been in the pipeline and will almost certainly continue to be developed with Leopard (like Res Indep UI, QuartzExtreme 2D, CoreServices, etc.). I want to hear the word on... whether Automator will receive significant embellishment, what Windows/MacOS interoperability will look like in Leopard, if anything new and exciting is coming for Spotlight, etc. I don't plan on early adopting (My first Mac was mid-cycle Panther; I pre-ordered Tiger for it), but I'm still very excited as a techno geek!
milo said:
Are there things that cannot be done in exactly the same Panther way, in Tiger's Finder, because Spotlight is there?
10.3 used a finder based on the file name, but it had a nice interface and worked reasonably quickly. 10.4 uses a Finder based on Spotlight, which compiles an index of metadata and keywords within the files, so although it's slower it returns far more results. It's difficult to explain without sitting a 10.4 Mac beside a 10.3 or below one and demonstrating.Killyp said:
dynamicv said:
I think I understand what you mean. You're talking not about Finder functions in general (navigating column view, etc), but specifically about doing a search from Finder. And the filename search in 10.3 was lightning quick, because it wasn't really doing any work?
I get what you mean now. Yes, on my iBook, I feel this acutely. On my iMac it's fast enough that it doesn't bother me. On my iBook, speed is so bad that I've seriously thought about stripping it down to Panther + FF + Adium, and moving all the stored e-mail and music (maybe minus a few gigs!) off of it and using my iMac as my primary for those things....
mkrishnan said:
Not much I can think of in the Finder, but I do dislike Spotlight for other reasons. Notably, it's can be a bit of a pain in Mail. In previous versions, you could search your entire mailbox, or just in the "From" fields, or in the message subject etc. In Mail in 10.4, you can only do a global search. Apple (like Google) need to learn more search results aren't necessarily a good thing.
There are also some oddities in how Spotlight searches for files in the Finder. If you do a Spotlight search for "tocork", it won't find a file called "NewYorktoCork.txt", but it will find a file called "NewYorkToCork.txt" (note the case difference). It took me quite a while of being unable to find files in Spotlight for me to realise this. I don't believe the Find functionality in 10.3 has this behaviour.
whooleytoo said:
My version of Mail (2.1) allows such searches. The initial search is for the entire message, but a button bar appears with the results where you can select "from" "subject" etc., as well as the ability to select a particular mailbox to drill down the results if need be. Selections you make will stick through subsequent searches until you change it. Since searching in Mail is virtually instantaneous, I don't think there is any perceivable loss from searching in the Panther version of Mail.