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Will Apple continue to optimize OS 3.x for non-3GS iPhones?

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Wow, my new discovery is working quite well! I might just upgrade to 3.0 again and enjoy copy and paste if I can get it to run this smooth! Sweet!

I'm not sure about third party apps yet though. I have to test a little more with this new method.

EDIT: If anyone's interested in exactly HOW I figured this out...

It's because when I was using Mail earlier today, I turned it landscape and quit it while it was still in landscape mode... the next time Mail launched, it was a blank screen and the animation was a lot smoother. So I tried it again and it worked again. So I figured that it stuttered because it was trying to show me a snapshot of my vertical inbox instead of opening with a blank screen. By restricting privilages on /mobile/Library/Caches/Snapshots, the iPhone has no choice but to load a fresh screen every time, regardless of what you were doing when you closed the app.
 
TheSpaz said:
Wow, my new discovery is working quite well! I might just upgrade to 3.0 again and enjoy copy and paste if I can get it to run this smooth! Sweet
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I thought you were going to dump your iPhone and start using a dumb phone?
 
maflynn said:
I thought you were going to dump your iPhone and start using a dumb phone?
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I'm not done with iPhone OS. I'm still going to have an iPod touch... remember?

Don't worry about what I'm doing... just read my update. Either you find it helpful or you don't. No need to bring other discussions into an unrelated thread.
 
TheSpaz said:
I'm not done with iPhone OS. I'm still going to have an iPod touch... remember?

Don't worry about what I'm doing... just read my update. Either you find it helpful or you don't. No need to bring other discussions into an unrelated thread.
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So you're posting in a 3G iPhone thread, in an iPhone forum, about an iPhone OS but you really mean to be talking about an iPod touch, sure what ever you say.
 
maflynn said:
So you're posting in a 3G iPhone thread, in an iPhone forum, about an iPhone OS but you really mean to be talking about an iPod touch, sure what ever you say.
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I'm still using an iPhone 3G... It's perfectly relevant. Why can't you understand that?
 
samcraig said:
It's not a question of understanding. Why can't you understand that? lol
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As far as I'm concerned... I still own and use an iPhone 3G, so posting in an iPhone forum is perfectly acceptable. I post a helpful tip and people have to respond back with "I thought you were gonna blah blah blah blah". I'll do whatever I want. If you have something constructive to add, then add it, but if you're just going to be a jerk, why post?
 
TheSpaz said:
As far as I'm concerned... I still own and use an iPhone 3G, so posting in an iPhone forum is perfectly acceptable. I post a helpful tip and people have to respond back with "I thought you were gonna blah blah blah blah". I'll do whatever I want. If you have something constructive to add, then add it, but if you're just going to be a jerk, why post?
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No one's trying to be a jerk. You basically said you were done with the iPhone forum and iPhone yesterday. I just wanted to know if you changed your mind since you started posting here again.
 
maflynn said:
No one's trying to be a jerk. You basically said you were done with the iPhone forum and iPhone yesterday. I just wanted to know if you changed your mind since you started posting here again.
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I didn't want to post anymore, but I thought I had a cool discovery that I wanted to share with other iPhone users. Afterall, this is what this forum is about right? At least I didn't make a new thread about it... geeze. Nobody appreciates what I do for the community.
 
Just another update. I was messing with some of my problematic third party apps that had the startup screen stutter and I saved the splash screen as a web-optimized png file with fewer colors and the app actually animates better on launch now!

It seems that the less complicated the splash screen is, the smoother it launches. Also, the app I was working with (Twitterrific) has a TON of resources and images in the root directory of the app package... that probably slows it down. I can easily see Apple correcting this in the future. It looks like it was just a mistake that was simply overlooked (because on 2.2.1, it's always smooth).

It looks like all Apple has to do is load the image into memory BEFORE the app starts to launch. It seems like it's currently trying to load the image while it launches and that can make more complicated images stutter.

Just an observation.

I can't believe I'm having to optimize my OS instead of Apple doing it :rolleyes:
 
TheSpaz said:
I can't believe I'm having to optimize my OS instead of Apple doing it :rolleyes:
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yeah, because apple are never going to release another software update for the iphone, are they? :rolleyes:

i'm pretty sure apple's developers know what they are doing. and you don't HAVE to optimize (if you can call it that... all you're doing is changing the size of some images) the OS. the fact an animation stutters slightly is hardly a big deal or product breaking problem. it's not even something that effects all 3g owners. my 3g ran as smooth as my 3gs does. the big difference is loading times for apps and the speed of the browser. so its either the app or your install. but i'm guessing you did a restore already.
 
jayenh said:
yeah, because apple are never going to release another software update for the iphone, are they? :rolleyes:

i'm pretty sure apple's developers know what they are doing. and you don't HAVE to optimize (if you can call it that... all you're doing is changing the size of some images) the OS. the fact an animation stutters slightly is hardly a big deal or product breaking problem. it's not even something that effects all 3g owners. my 3g ran as smooth as my 3gs does. the big difference is loading times for apps and the speed of the browser. so its either the app or your install. but i'm guessing you did a restore already.
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Just because they release updates and fix bugs doesn't mean that Apple is still interested in making the older hardware run faster. Why would Apple care about last generation iPhones when the new iPhone is much faster?

Also, I doubt your iPhone 3G ran as smooth as your iPhone 3GS. I've looked at and used multiple different iPhones and iPhone 3Gs to know that 3.0 is choppier. I've also used 3.1 beta 3 on an iPhone and iPhone 3G and it's not much different.

I think it's all due to the way the app is launched as the image is loaded into memory instead of loading the image, then launching the app smoothly.
 
yeah, i must be lying. what you say must be fact. only, why would i? me plus 3 other mates with iphones (all running 3.0.1) had no problems with the 3g. i got the 3gs 2 or 3 weeks a go and the only difference is the loading times (like booting up the phone, ifitness, worms, simcity) and the browser. flicking between pages was the same, animations when opening apps was the same. 3.0 was choppy, yes, but 3.0.1 (despite only being an SMS fix) cured the lag for one reason or another as i have mentioned in previous posts.

and why would they continue to optimize the software for the 3g? oh i don't know, perhaps because there's probably more 3g handsets out there than 3gs's at the moment? your average user with a 3g is not going to do an early upgrade or buy the new handset outright because, believe it or not, they don't really care. as unbelievable is it may sound, the iphone isn't used purely by diehard apple fans. then there's the fact that they are still selling the iphone 3g despite releasing the 3gs.
 
jayenh said:
yeah, i must be lying. what you say must be fact. only, why would i? me plus 3 other mates with iphones (all running 3.0.1) had no problems with the 3g. i got the 3gs 2 or 3 weeks a go and the only difference is the loading times (like booting up the phone, ifitness, worms, simcity) and the browser. flicking between pages was the same, animations when opening apps was the same. 3.0 was choppy, yes, but 3.0.1 (despite only being an SMS fix) cured the lag for one reason or another as i have mentioned in previous posts.

and why would they continue to optimize the software for the 3g? oh i don't know, perhaps because there's probably more 3g handsets out there than 3gs's at the moment? your average user with a 3g is not going to do an early upgrade or buy the new handset outright because, believe it or not, they don't really care. as unbelievable is it may sound, the iphone isn't used purely by diehard apple fans. then there's the fact that they are still selling the iphone 3g despite releasing the 3gs.
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If you believe the iPhone 3G runs as smooth as an iPhone 3GS then you're not very observant or affected by the difference.

I'm running 3.0.1 and it's definitely not as smooth as 2.2.1. I know this as FACT because I've tested it on multiple iPhones, iPod touch's and iPhone 3Gs. The 3GS was MUCH smoother in both SPEED and GRAPHICS than any other previous iPhone. What I am claiming is indeed fact. There is NO WAY that your iPhone 3G is any different than mine (despite what Samcraig thinks).

While you may perceive that it's working fine... it could just be that you're not picky enough to know the difference... the thing is... I am. If you don't notice a difference, does that mean that there isn't a difference?
 
TheSpaz said:
Also, I doubt your iPhone 3G ran as smooth as your iPhone 3GS.
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TheSpaz?

Read the following VERY carefully and SLOWLY.

One of the reasons you get the crap you do on this site is because you make statements like the above.

JUST because you experience something one way does not mean it's the rule. Or that other people have different experiences. Period. That's not even open to debate or discussion.

So when you post your opinion or experience and want that post to be understood/believed by others you have to give the VERY SAME courtesy to other posters. Or - frankly - you look like an ass.

I'm not saying this to be unkind but to offer you some insight on why you get the negative attention sometimes.
 
samcraig said:
TheSpaz?

Read the following VERY carefully and SLOWLY.

One of the reasons you get the crap you do on this site is because you make statements like the above.

JUST because you experience something one way does not mean it's the rule. Or that other people have different experiences. Period. That's not even open to debate or discussion.

So when you post your opinion or experience and want that post to be understood/believed by others you have to give the VERY SAME courtesy to other posters. Or - frankly - you look like an ass.

I'm not saying this to be unkind but to offer you some insight on why you get the negative attention sometimes.
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Yes, I agree. People have DIFFERENT experiences but just because he *THINKS* his iPhone runs as smooth as an iPhone 3GS (impossible due to the difference in hardware) doesn't actually mean his iPhone 3G is as smooth as a 3GS.

This reminds me of when people come here saying stuff like "I installed Background, Winterboard and SBSettings on my iPhone 3G and it still runs as fast as stock!". One guy actually posted a video showing that he was right and the video actually showed the opposite.

Some people can't tell the difference between 1080p video and 480i or hear a difference between 96kbps and 256kbps... I've met people like that.

I think most people don't notice the difference that I'm seeing, so they don't care. However, I care and I was trying to help out the community by posting my findings.

Edit: I would also like to add... When I showed my girlfriend the app launching animation problem, she didn't see a difference... when I showed my brother... he saw the difference. I guess I have an eye for this kind of stuff.
 
TheSpaz said:
Yes, I agree. People have DIFFERENT experiences but just because he *THINKS* his iPhone runs as smooth as an iPhone 3GS (impossible due to the difference in hardware) doesn't actually mean his iPhone 3G is as smooth as a 3GS.
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i don't think, i know. how hard is it for you to understand? i had the 3g in my hand, nice and smooth. i then popped my sim in the 3gs and activated it and synced it. i then used the 3gs... just as smooth. the first thing i thought was "what's the fuss all about?" until i opened ifitness for the first time and the loading time was more than halved. then opened the browser and realised just how much the hardware was limiting the speed at which pages load. the things you mentioned though, animations when flicking pages and opening apps... identical.
 
TheSpaz said:
Yes, I agree. People have DIFFERENT experiences but just because he *THINKS* his iPhone runs as smooth as an iPhone 3GS (impossible due to the difference in hardware) doesn't actually mean his iPhone 3G is as smooth as a 3GS.

This reminds me of when people come here saying stuff like "I installed Background, Winterboard and SBSettings on my iPhone 3G and it still runs as fast as stock!". One guy actually posted a video showing that he was right and the video actually showed the opposite.

Some people can't tell the difference between 1080p video and 480i or hear a difference between 96kbps and 256kbps... I've met people like that.

I think most people don't notice the difference that I'm seeing, so they don't care. However, I care and I was trying to help out the community by posting my findings.

Edit: I would also like to add... When I showed my girlfriend the app launching animation problem, she didn't see a difference... when I showed my brother... he saw the difference. I guess I have an eye for this kind of stuff.
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TheSpaz - you are young and this is where it shows the most. You're more concerned with being right than anything else.

Here is something very wise a college professor once told me (and his class)

You can NEVER prove anything. All you can do is present evidence and base a conclusion or hypothesis about the given data.

Your conclusions (which YOU deem as facts) are YOUR experience. That does not make it fact nor the rule. It's not debatable, TheSpaz.

The best you can say is "It's been my experience that my 3G is slower on 3.0 than it was on 2.2.1"

and if someone posts a contrary argument - you can try and determine the differences - but you'll never nail it down 100 percent. You'll only be able to theorize. And that's fine. But theories are not facts.

There are many variables and reasons why one device can or does operate differently than another. Machines are NOT infallible. Software is NOT infallible.
 
jayenh said:
i don't think, i know. how hard is it for you to understand? i had the 3g in my hand, nice and smooth. i then popped my sim in the 3gs and activated it and synced it. i then used the 3gs... just as smooth. the first thing i thought was "what's the fuss all about?" until i opened ifitness for the first time and the loading time was more than halved. then opened the browser and realised just how much the hardware was limiting the speed at which pages load. the things you mentioned though, animations when flicking pages and opening apps... identical.
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I still think you're wrong. I've never seen an iPhone 3G perform like an iPhone 3GS.

Look here to see the animation effect that I am talking about. I made a very detailed post and it took a lot of work to make the animations because that's how passionate I am about it. Look here: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8216538/

...please.
 
TheSpaz said:
I still think you're wrong. I've never seen an iPhone 3G perform like an iPhone 3GS.

Look here to see the animation effect that I am talking about. I made a very detailed post and it took a lot of work to make the animations because that's how passionate I am about it. Look here: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/8216538/

...please.
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Let me rewrite your post for you.

I understand what you're saying. My experience has been different. My 3GS never performed like my 3G and I've spent time with a few of each models to come up with my conclusion.

If you look here (link) you'll see an animation I've made of my experience.
 
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