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Will Apple introduce an M2Pro MBP in October?
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Here in Sweden there are some quite good discounts on the 14" at the moment. That would speak for an update comming... (Roughly 15% off if you have any trade in computer)
It's entirely plausible, and I think the only reason folks might be skeptical is that we're simply not used to regular updates after being on Intel for years.
From a value perspective, there's no question that Apple doesn't need to replace M1 Pro/Max since they're already such good SoCs. But what does come into play is supply and demand.
Apple orders considerably more M1/2 vanilla chips than the Pro/Max variants, because more devices use them and said devices are more popular. This means that Apple doesn't need to commit to larger orders for the Pro/Max and therefore can switch it up more frequently (Note how the Pro/Max are also rumoured to be on 3nm).
But this doesn't take into account a couple of other things; that Apple has over the past three years been a lot more aggressive on releasing updates for their pro devices, and that if Apple does intend to release the new Mac Pro within the transition timeframe set out (though to be clear, Tim Cook said they "expect", not "we will"), that it would make sense for them to announce the M2 Pro and Max chips prior to whatever variant the Mac Pro has.
I could be entirely wrong, but just my thoughts.
From a value perspective, there's no question that Apple doesn't need to replace M1 Pro/Max since they're already such good SoCs. But what does come into play is supply and demand.
Apple orders considerably more M1/2 vanilla chips than the Pro/Max variants, because more devices use them and said devices are more popular. This means that Apple doesn't need to commit to larger orders for the Pro/Max and therefore can switch it up more frequently (Note how the Pro/Max are also rumoured to be on 3nm).
But this doesn't take into account a couple of other things; that Apple has over the past three years been a lot more aggressive on releasing updates for their pro devices, and that if Apple does intend to release the new Mac Pro within the transition timeframe set out (though to be clear, Tim Cook said they "expect", not "we will"), that it would make sense for them to announce the M2 Pro and Max chips prior to whatever variant the Mac Pro has.
I could be entirely wrong, but just my thoughts.
The rumors are that the next MacBook Pro models will have 3 nm and that would mean that TSM would have to be in volume production and I've read that they aren't.
I think it's too soon to offer an upgraded processor for the MacBooks. I'll bet that Apple is looking at updating the processors in the MacBooks on an 18-24 month schedule. That would keep people happier because their systems would be the latest offering for longer and would also give them more of an incentive to upgrade to the latest and greatest when it does arrive. Pushing out new processors every year, other than for the iPhones and iPads, is quite an onerous undertaking that simply needs more time.
The M1 Pro and Max appeared a long time after the base M1 chip. How much was down to the MBP redesign? Chip variants? Or the global supply issues?
If the chip variants are not time consuming, we may see the new 14" and 16" MBPs in October. Much has been conservative under Tim Cook, and think the die shrink may only happen when it is done for all variants, so possibly not until the M3 generation.
Notice the use of words such as "if" and "possibly"? Apple silicon plays by different rules to Intel because of who is developing the chips. The first generation will always be different as new processes are in play, and this change was made more unpredictable by global issues. Therefore what happened in the M1 generation is not a strong indicator of what will happen for the M2 generation and beyond.
If the chip variants are not time consuming, we may see the new 14" and 16" MBPs in October. Much has been conservative under Tim Cook, and think the die shrink may only happen when it is done for all variants, so possibly not until the M3 generation.
Notice the use of words such as "if" and "possibly"? Apple silicon plays by different rules to Intel because of who is developing the chips. The first generation will always be different as new processes are in play, and this change was made more unpredictable by global issues. Therefore what happened in the M1 generation is not a strong indicator of what will happen for the M2 generation and beyond.
I think so too, since M1 Pro is already with faster new type of ram, unlike original M1 was but gained that in M2. So M2 Pro would be mostly some improvement in core as M2 has and higher clock rate, so more heat. Maybe more cores = again more heat. I could be wrong but I believe M2 Pro is less upgrade to M1 Pro than M2 was for M1. This speculation of course apply assuming M2 Pro is still 5nm, surely 3nm will be a huge improvement.
the word from anandtech is that 3nm won't actually be ready at least til 2023.
"TSMC's first 3 nm-class node is called N3 and this one is on track to start high volume manufacturing (HVM) in the second half of this year. Actual chips are set to be delivered to customers in early 2023.This technology is mostly aimed at early adopters (read: Apple and the like) who can invest in leading-edge designs and would benefit from the performance,"
so yeah, if apple is that desperate to release m2 pro in 2022, it's gonna be on 5nm and therefore as a 14inch owner, i would have no buyer's remorse.