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If I had to guess a further forked version of iPadOS that looks & behaves more like macOS when in half folded 'laptop' mode? Possibly interesting if they include a more macOS like full file management system - i.e. porting finder to iOS and all the backend changes for this device?
 
If I had to guess a further forked version of iPadOS that looks & behaves more like macOS when in half folded 'laptop' mode? Possibly interesting if they include a more macOS like full file management system - i.e. porting finder to iOS and all the backend changes for this device?
The better question is that iPad hardware has been capable of running more than the present iPadOS which is very limited it can run macOS but Apple has at present decided to keep it limited for that reason so know. It even has a circular pointer cursor when a physical input device is used so why limit it. I am not sure just call it iPadOS+ that requires a Mx chip and anything with an Ax can run classic iPadOS.

If macOS can run iOS and iPadOS apps why not iPadOS+ be capable of running macOS apps, sure it can operate with an external input navigation device like a trackpad and/or mouse.

Anyone believing this nonsense about capabilities and what it was originally designed for is living in some delusion. Both macOS and iOS have been growing closer over the tests into uniformity or synergy. We have iPhone Mirror app on macOS and Remote Desktop apps running on iPadOS like Jump Desktop that can also interact with touch input.
 
MacPad. Best of times, worst of times.
At time it will come to market bot OSs will look different. They are coming closer and closer and Apple may make some bigger changes into iPadOS in meantime. Ppl can hope still :D
So there may be different situation in two years and many things will be tied to AI and operated by voice I guess.
What would be cool if one could decide which system to use but that not probably gonna happen.
 
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At time it will come to market bot OSs will look different. They are coming closer and closer and Apple may make some bigger changes into iPadOS in meantime. Ppl can hope still :D
So there may be different situation in two years and many things will be tied to AI and operated by voice I guess.
What would be cool if one cood decide which system to use but that not probably gonna happen.
Would be nice to have a developer mode.
 
It could be either. Make it thinner and it's a feature when the display bends :).
imagine if Apple released an iMac with a rollable/rollout display like some LG tv. At least the chin will finally have some design utility to it. It would be super portable and placing it on its side could provide a larger screen.
 
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As a consuming device this is an overkill but it would have been great in my media creative days. I can imagine lots of creative stuff can be done with such a thing and a Bluetooth keyboard.
 
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Bring the Mac tablet. I do not want the jailied limited iPad toy, even for free. A want a true and full computer with a true useful Finder like the Mac and touch screen. Light and small. Awesome for Keynote and PowerPoint presentations.
 
So it will never be a Mac. I’ll say it again—it never was, and it never will be. And Apple can’t make it happen—technically, they can’t.
You can already run MacOS on an iPad in virtualisation using UTM. The architecture of the iPads (esp. the ones with M-series processors) and Apple Silicon Macs are very similar - even the OS kernels are closely related - the main difference is that iOS and MacOS apps use a different Application Framework library, and most of the “technical limitations” of iPadOS when it comes to multitasking, file access etc. are deliberate restrictions imposed on third party apps by that framework & App Store rules.

It would not be rocket surgery for Apple to put MacOS on an iPad and add basic touch screen “mouse emulation” support and/or a “glass keyboard” so you didn’t need a separate keyboard and pointing device. Whether that would be a good idea or not usability-wise is a whole other question - but there’s nothing technically implausible about a future iPad that could run MacOS, iPadOS or both.

It’s actually the Mac that has less functionality - no touchscreen/5G/GPS/accelerometer etc. which limits what iOS apps can run on MacOS

For the transformable crowd, how does the switch from iPadOS to macOS happen? Does it have to frantically hibernate one system to disk, and load the other to RAM? Have extra RAM for the two different OSs to run concurrently? Just reboot to change OS?
If it happened, that would be a non-issue.

MacOS already includes an iOS/iPadOS subsystem that can run iPadOS apps alongside MacOS apps - it’s only knobbled by the lack of touch screen, mobile connectivity, GPS, accelerometer etc. that limit what apps will run usably. Currently, developers have to opt-in to allow their iOS app to run on MacOS and most don’t (presumably either because they know it will give a bad user experience or want to sell you two versions) - but a “transformable” Mac would presumably have the missing features and offer the same UI affordances in tablet mode - the rest is just App Store policy.

Long term - new apps would ideally be “dual mode” and support both tablet and laptop UIs - the current Apple frameworks are part-way there, but it’s a compile-time choice. Making it “hot switchable” would need work, but shouldn’t be impossible. Short term, you could run both versions and use Handoff when you changed mode.

Realistically - it might not be an issue since the whole point of a convertible is that you’re going to switch between tablet and laptop mode depending on what you’re doing that minute - it would be like having two virtual desktops and flipping between them when you “changed mode”. The point is, you wouldn’t have to reboot or have two separate virtualised OS kernels.

NB. I’m talking “could” hear, not “should” - half the point of a laptop is having a proper keyboard and pointing device, and the main point of a foldable iPad is having a big iPad that takes up half the space. Typing on a “glass keyboard” in laptop mode might be better than typing on a regular iPad, but that isn’t saying much.
 
Tim would say...
"An iPad, a Mac and a Book....An iPad..... a Mac and.... These are not three separate devices, and we call it The iBook!"
 
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Cue the "I want an iPad that unfolds with a full MacOS on it"...

This sound like it wont make Macbook users happy (no physical keys) and if it runs iOS only then power users wilil spew vitriol.

A hybrid device? At an eye watering price, plus tariffs everywhere, and it wont be more than a niche item.
 
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The better question is that iPad hardware has been capable of running more than the present iPadOS which is very limited it can run macOS but Apple has at present decided to keep it limited for that reason so know. It even has a circular pointer cursor when a physical input device is used so why limit it. I am not sure just call it iPadOS+ that requires a Mx chip and anything with an Ax can run classic iPadOS.

If macOS can run iOS and iPadOS apps why not iPadOS+ be capable of running macOS apps, sure it can operate with an external input navigation device like a trackpad and/or mouse.

Anyone believing this nonsense about capabilities and what it was originally designed for is living in some delusion. Both macOS and iOS have been growing closer over the tests into uniformity or synergy. We have iPhone Mirror app on macOS and Remote Desktop apps running on iPadOS like Jump Desktop that can also interact with touch input.
Battery Life...

Pad Pro 11-inch. Built-in 31.29-watt-hour rechargeable lithium-polymer battery.
iPad Pro 13-inch. Built-in 38.99-watt-hour rechargeable battery.

13-inch M3 MacBook Air's battery is rated at 52.6Wh,
while the 13-inch M2 MacBook Pro has a 58.2Wh battery.

So if you ran full fat MacOS on an iPad you should get significantly less useful time.

And iPads would face heat dissipation issues as well. Perhaps throttled to limit heat.

Just because both devices have energy efficient M4 chips now does not mean they can run MacOS as you want.
 
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Along with a foldable iPhone, Apple is working on a larger foldable device that's somewhere around 19 inches, but rumors have been split on whether it's an iPad or a Mac. Some reports refer to the device as an iPad, while some call it a Mac, and the split seems to come down to the operating system on the device.

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Is it a Mac?

Some rumors have suggested that Apple is developing a foldable MacBook with an all-display design. The MacBook already has a foldable design, of course, but the difference here would be a single display without an included keyboard and trackpad.

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A foldable Mac would be able to be folded in half and used like a traditional MacBook with a virtual keyboard, or it could be unfolded and used as a display when paired with an external keyboard.

Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has referred to Apple's larger foldable device as a MacBook, and he thinks it's going to have an 18.8 to 20.2-inch display. Display analyst Ross Young has also written about Apple's work on a notebook with an 18.8-inch display.

The Wall Street Journal said in December that Apple is working on a 19-inch MacBook with a foldable screen.

Is it an iPad?

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman has referred to Apple's large-screened foldable device as an iPad, and he says it's going to have a display that's around 20 inches in size.

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The Elec said in 2022 that Apple was developing a foldable device around 20 inches in size that folds down to 15.3 inches, and research firm Omdia believes that Apple is working on a 20.3-inch foldable OLED iPad that will be positioned as an iPad Pro.

While Kuo has also mainly referred to Apple's foldable as a MacBook, in 2023, he called it an iPad and said that it would come with a carbon fiber kickstand. Of course, Kuo initially said that such a foldable would come in 2024, something that did not happen.

Or both?

When thinking of a foldable with an all-display design, it's easier to picture an iPad, which is already a single screen. It makes sense for Apple to create an iPad that's able to fold down for portability and then unfold into a larger workspace, but what if it runs macOS?

We don't have much of a reference for an all-display Mac since it's not a form factor we're familiar with, but a 20-inch device that's all display and folds in half would definitely be something of a hybrid iPad and Mac device.

Analyst Jeff Pu recently said that Apple's large-screened foldable will be a MacBook-iPad hybrid that's likely to run macOS, rather than iPadOS. Such a device would presumably have a touchscreen, and would require notable changes to the Mac operating system as it does not support touch input. Gurman also claimed that some of the design updates that Apple is making in iOS 19 and macOS 16 to unify the operating systems will pave the way for foldable devices and touchscreen Macs, so a hybrid is a possibility.

Whether the large-screened foldable is ultimately an iPad or a Mac will come down to the operating system that Apple is planning to use. If the device runs macOS, it'll be in the Mac family, and if it runs iPadOS, it'll be in the iPad family.

Launch Date

Rumors about the release date for Apple's foldable iPad/Mac have targeted as early as 2026 to as late as 2028, so it's not quite clear when we'll see the device. It's possible that Apple is planning a launch for as soon as next year, and if that's the case, rumors should really start picking up in the next couple of months.

If we don't start hearing more soon, we can assume that Apple is aiming for a later launch date in 2027 or beyond.

Article Link: Will Apple's Large-Screened Foldable be an iPad or a Mac?
Seen this rumours many many times.

the ‘if it runs macOS then it’s part of the Mac family & if it’s padOS then iPad family’! Prompted the biggest “No 💩 Sherlock!” 🙄
 
I just don't get this intrigue with foldable devices...I would not own a foldable phone let alone an iPad/Mac whatever this is. Is it about screen real estate in a smaller profile? As usual (and I always say this when Apple goes off and builds some weird thing): please fix the current (crappy) state of your built-in apps such as Music, Home Kit, and Siri.
 
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Sounds great, though if Apple are harmonizing there operating systems as to have greater similarity between the iOS, iPadOS and macOS we could expect a new operating system that combines iPadOS and macOS? Why does it have to be one or the other?
 
yeah, the iPhone was dead on arrival without a keyboard!
iPhone Keyboards are typically used for texting, calling, quick communication through its virtual keyboard. But for a long usage of keyboard, virtual form factor may not be convenient like physical which has a feedback mechanism. Unless Apple could implement this tactile feedback in the virtual keyboard, this may not be a great tablet/macbook. More over, Apple needs to think about holding a foldable form factor on the lap or on a flat surface for long, I see challenges in keeping the folded device on a lap without falling back unless the hinges are properly implemented with strength yet delicate enough to keep it small.
 
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Interesting… long-time 40+ year Apple guy, but I gave up on the Mac after two failed butterfly keyboards. thought I’d miss it but somehow I’m getting by on iPads🤷‍♂️
I tried that for a few months when my laptop died, but I’m going back to the new MBA because I became so frustrated by the petty limitations in iPad OS.
 
It's going to be iPad and locked into that like the Vision Pro is basically an iPad on your face. They would like all Macs to eventually be iPad like with only App Store Apps allowed. The only thing that held them back was all these regulations and court challenges but those are going away in the US.
 
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