Resolved Will dark mode finally launch this year?

[eyoungren]

You know as well, as plenty of others do Apple will never conform iPhone features other consumers want to have certain control options, specifically dark mode. This company completely has different logic on what they believe changes the iPhone experience, which may not be for the better for everyone. Another example would be an LED notification light, which Apple could implement if they wanted to, but they won’t.

Which makes me wonder sometimes.

At what point does it go from being about the 'vision' and figuring out what customers want before they know they want it to…passive resistance against customer requests because of dogmatic pursuit of a goal? And just how much pushback are customers willing to take before they go elsewhere?

So far it seems that Apple offers enough other things to counter their intransigence over customer requests.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I don't think so. And even if it did, I am not sure I would even use it.

Can’t say I would use it either and don’t get what all the fuss is about it. However it would be nice to have it as an option for those who want it.

 

[44267547]

Which makes me wonder sometimes.

At what point does it go from being about the 'vision' and figuring out what customers want before they know they want it to…passive resistance against customer requests because of dogmatic pursuit of a goal? And just how much pushback are customers willing to take before they go elsewhere?

So far it seems that Apple offers enough other things to counter their intransigence over customer requests.

I chose the LED notification light as an example, because you know that has been brought up many times on the iPhone forum over the years. It’s something Apple could have implemented if they wanted to, but they choose not to share values from other smart phone competitors because they want to separate themselves from others. As much as I like iOS and the iPhone, Apple has their tendencies that I don’t always agree with.

 

[The Game 161]

I would use it for the evening for sure and hopefully if it arrives comes with a set time when you can have it on

 

[eyoungren]

I chose the LED notification light as an example, because you know that has been brought up many times on the iPhone forum over the years. It’s something Apple could have implemented if they wanted to, but they choose not to share values from other smart phone competitors because they want to separate themselves from others. As much as I like iOS and the iPhone, Apple has their tendencies that I don’t always agree with.

That's what I'm saying though. Where's that tipping point where what you don't agree with is more than enough to cancel out what you like about iOS and iDevices?

That tipping point is different in all of us and often involves many other factors. Yet I can't escape the feeling sometimes that it's not a pursuit of perfection or vision that drives some of Apple's choices so much as it is the middle finger to the customer.

Apple is used to doing whatever the hell they feel like and they are used to the customer just eating it. Of course they won't say it publicly and would object to my characterization, but I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the reasons certain decisions are made is because so and so felt like it or because they wanted to force their vision on the customer for no other reason than just because.

I have no evidence of that of course, just a feeling every once in a while.

 

[44267547]

That's what I'm saying though. Where's that tipping point where what you don't agree with is more than enough to cancel out what you like about iOS and iDevices?

That tipping point is different in all of us and often involves many other factors. Yet I can't escape the feeling sometimes that it's not a pursuit of perfection or vision that drives some of Apple's choices so much as it is the middle finger to the customer.

Apple is used to doing whatever the hell they feel like and they are used to the customer just eating that. Of course they won't say it publicly and would object to my characterization, but I wouldnt be surprised to discover that the reasons certain decisions are made is because so and so felt like it or because they wanted to stick their vision to the customer just because.

I have no evidence of that of course, just a feeling every once in a while.

Just for the record, I’m very familiar with your complaints about iOS and Apple on the iPhone forum. I don’t share many of your tangents as far as disapproval for iOS, but I do understand specifically what you’re referring too.

Nothing can persuade me likely to ever leave iOS or the iPhone. Why? Primarily because of ingredients that involve customer service, obviously we know about Apples ecosystem amongst other products, security is pivotal, ease of use, simplicity, Apples services, ect.

When it comes to Apple, I have adjusted the way this company is and it doesn’t negate my experience being a customer. I think On a tech forum, you have those who scrutinize Apple in almost every facet, but the average consumer likely is more than content with their iPhone and iOS every day, because it “Just works.”

I factor how I spend my money with this company as a whole, not just with a single product. More specifically as well, android would be the only other option, which I’m not interested in at all. Even though there is some very compelling hardware amongst other android competitors.

 

[eyoungren]

Just for the record, I’m very familiar with your complaints about iOS and Apple on the iPhone forum. I don’t share many of your tangents as far as disapproval for iOS, but I do understand specifically what you’re referring too.

Nothing can persuade me likely to ever leave iOS or the iPhone. Why? Primarily because of ingredients that involve customer service, obviously we know about Apples ecosystem amongst other products, security is pivotal, ease of use, simplicity, Apples services, ect.

When it comes to Apple, I have adjusted the way this company is and it doesn’t negate my experience being a customer. I think On a tech forum, you have those who scrutinize Apple in almost every facet, but the average consumer likely is more than content with their iPhone and iOS every day, because it “Just works.”

I factor how I spend my money with this company as a whole, not just with a single product. More specifically as well, android would be the only other option, which I’m not interested in at all. Even though there is some very compelling hardware amongst other android competitors.

I don't disagree with you. We just share different viewpoints and what you are willing to accept and what works for you is different than for me.

And it isn't my intention to troll or badmouth Apple. Just expressing a thought I've had that may or may not be unfounded.

But in light of your earlier argument that Apple wants to differentiate itself from other manufacturers, consider this…when is differentiation obviated by inertia?

In other words, when does it not matter any more because customers are going to buy Apple because that's what they always buy?

That's another topic too. You can always tell who has an iPhone in a crowd - because the average customer doesn't bother to change their ringtone. So the iPhone differentiates that person from other manufacturers yet reveals the customer's own lack of differentiation.

To sum it all up…if Apple is trying to stand out, they attract and keep some people who want to be perceived as different but really aren't. And at the same time Apple (IMO) sometimes pushes their vision on those people simply because they want to and can and not just because it's part of their greater vision.

 

[Raist3001]

Which makes me wonder sometimes. At what point does it go from being about the 'vision' and figuring out what customers want before they know they want it to…passive resistance against customer requests because of dogmatic pursuit of a goal?

The apple 'experience' is tailored to apples vision. Always has been.

 

[bigjnyc]

I’m surprised no one hasn’t started a petition for this on change.org

That would probably make Apple delay it longer... they don't like to be told what to implement. they tell us what we need, not the other way around.

 

[thadoggfather]

People over here speculating about dark mode natively, for yet another year, with no results— and I’m over here having dark mode since iOS 7

 

[blairh]

Lord I hope so. It's desperately missing from iOS at this point.

 

[lynchdavidh]

Apple already has a "pseudo dark mode" called Smart Invert Colors, which you can set up in Settings -> General -> Accessibility -> Display Accommodations.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work for everything, so I'm hoping we get an official dark mode with iOS 12.

 

[44267547]

People over here speculating about dark mode natively, for yet another year, with no results— and I’m over here having dark mode since iOS 7

That’s because you jailbreak. I would estimate 99% of the iPhone users do not jailbreak and are not willing to jailbreak strictly just for dark mode.

 

[thadoggfather]

That’s because you jailbreak. I would estimate 99% of the iPhone users do not jailbreak and are not willing to jailbreak strictly just for dark mode.

I dont doubt that, just saying

must be agonizing to wonder when if ever apple will implement stuff. not about that life

 

[eyoungren]

People over here speculating about dark mode natively, for yet another year, with no results— and I’m over here having dark mode since iOS 7

iOS 6.
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That’s because you jailbreak. I would estimate 99% of the iPhone users do not jailbreak and are not willing to jailbreak strictly just for dark mode.

I would argue the percentage is a bit less. Not by much, but a bit less.

Certainly that 99% would apply around these forums though.

Most people jailbreaking aren't doing it strictly for one tweak though, but of those that are that tweak isn't usually for a dark mode. It's for tethering.

 

[thadoggfather]

iOS 6.
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I would argue the percentage is a bit less. Not by much, but a bit less.

Certainly that 99% would apply around these forums though.

Most people jailbreaking aren't doing it strictly for one tweak though, but of those that are that tweak isn't usually for a dark mode. It's for tethering.

I never got into dark mode with 1-6 I don't think, didn't have the craving until the end of skeumorphism. Eclipse has scratched the itch just perfectly.

 

[eyoungren]

I never got into dark mode with 1-6 I don't think, didn't have the craving until the end of skeumorphism. Eclipse has scratched the itch just perfectly.

I cobbled together a series of tweaks, including Winterboard themes, to get what I wanted and still did not approach what Eclipse has.

That said, Eclipse is more of a coping mechanism for me. It evens the score enough white that I can deal with the rest of the OS and it's Flat Stanley interface. But I still wish to have the functionality of Eclipse with the GUI of iOS 6.

That's never going to happen though.

One thing Eclipse can't do is color icons. For that I use Monochrome. Gives me grayscale icons to complete the look.

 

[SquireSCA]

Refusing to give their customers one of the most widely requested features, going back several years... just to "be different" is idiotic.

Having a triangle shaped screen would be unique and different, but I wouldn't want one. Just being different, is meaningless. Being different in a way that brings some sort of tangible benefit, has meaning.

So what if Android did it first? Android as done a LOT of things first, that Apple denied their customers for years before finally caving in and going with the flow...

Pictures attached to texts instead of email. Copying and pasting between apps. Notification center and widgets. Stylus. Larger screens. The list goes on.

This is a relatively simple one and there is no reason why they couldn't do a dark mode, but add some touches or color changes to make it "their own way" of doing it...

 

[Triskit]

In IOS 12?

I use it for twitter, Tapatalk and now YouTube

It’s available on Apple TV.

You think this is the year it arrives properly on iPhone and iPad?

Twitter has its own internal dark mode.

 

[thadoggfather]

I think most of us can agree it was a major and obvious missed opportunity for Apple to not roll out a native dark mode coinciding with the release of their first OLED iPhone

 

[SquireSCA]

The idea is that someone can look across the table and immediately recognize it's an iPhone. Whether it's dark gray, brown, chocolate, etc. it's hiding the notch.

Apple's primary concern is usability. A bright display not only serves that purpose, it also highlights the notch.

What is the point of highlighting the notch? The notch is in no way a benefit or selling point. It's a necessary evil if you want face unlock and a couple extra sensors.

You lose screen real estate, it takes a bite out of your video or pic, unless it crops the screen so that the notch doesn't intrude, but at that point your screen is now smaller and has less usable area than the 8+, etc...

I would be fine with simply a smaller bezel, and a fingerprint scanner on the back.

I don't know of a single person who buys the phone BECAUSE of the notch. I know that a lot bought it DESPITE having the notch, and that's a big difference. And obviously it didn't sell as much as Apple had hoped...

 

[JPack]

What is the point of highlighting the notch? The notch is in no way a benefit or selling point. It's a necessary evil if you want face unlock and a couple extra sensors.

You lose screen real estate, it takes a bite out of your video or pic, unless it crops the screen so that the notch doesn't intrude, but at that point your screen is now smaller and has less usable area than the 8+, etc...

I would be fine with simply a smaller bezel, and a fingerprint scanner on the back.

I don't know of a single person who buys the phone BECAUSE of the notch. I know that a lot bought it DESPITE having the notch, and that's a big difference. And obviously it didn't sell as much as Apple had hoped...

It's the reason why hood ornaments exist. It's not aerodynamic and it's easily stolen. And the reason Ray Ban prints their name right on the corner of the plastic lens. It partially blocks your vision.

For Apple, it's necessary evil that also acts as a distinguishing feature. Several Android manufacturers are now copying the notch.

For tech crowd, the notch is a sensor area. For others, it's a distinguishing feature that says "iPhone" across the room.

 

[SquireSCA]

Yeah, but what's the point in saying iPhone across the room if all it does it get chuckles and laughs at you and your notch?

Hood ornaments don't provide any value, but they also don't cost you 15hp, or handling, or some other useful attribute of the car.

On a smartphone, the screen is everything.

I think that Apple is still too concerned with image. It's like Harley Davidson... You see the 1970's tech and the oil leak and think, "wow, get with the program fella's"... But the diehard Harley fan is like, "Hey, that is how you know it's a Harley from across the room, you can see the trademark pool of oil!"... LOL

To each their own I guess.

I would rather have the full screen to use and enjoy rather than a bite taken out of it for "tech" that I don't care about anyway... I couldn't care less about FaceID. It's not worth losing screen real estate and an ugly aesthetic...

Leprosy was once a "distinguishing feature"... ;-)

I looked at the X, had the cash in hand... but I looked at the 8+ side by side, and the 8+ had a larger more usable screen compared to the X.

If they come out with a 6.5" X+, perhaps I won't mind it as much. There will be enough screen left over than when you subtract the notch and area that gets cropped, it will still have a large usable screen...

 

[jetlagged]

I love the new YouTube dark mode option

 

[iapplelove]

I used youtube dark mode for about 5 minutes. Then turned it right back to classic.