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Will Final Cut Pro on Mac Get Every New Feature Without a Subscription? Here's What Apple Says
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ShivneelSingh
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I just want Apple Mail to be a good competitor for Outlook 365. Compete with the Outlook on Windows not MacOS.
BGPL
macrumors 65816
It seems like charging $299 for FCP right now without a complete understanding on what you won't get next year is misleading. At least drop it back to $199 and put some language in there about the future of features and updates.
JeffPerrin
macrumors 6502a
Yes, Apple viewed Logic (and their other productivity apps) as a means to promote hardware and the Apple ecosystem. And it's worked! However, moving to a subscription model seems counterproductive to this strategy as a subscription model gives folks a good reason to look deeper into alternative software which, by-the-way Apple(!), typically run on multiple OS platforms and hardware.
I was going to say that Davinci Resolve has a lifetime licence if you buy a Blackmagic camera. And it's now considered to be a major rival to Adobe Premier Pro because of the much vaunted colour grading facilities.
filmantopia
macrumors 6502a
Sadly after using FCP for over 20 years (and immediately switching to X when it launched), I all but completely switched to Resolve a couple years ago. Apple is just too slow to update the app with modern features. What I would love is for Apple to turn FCP into a single, combined app with “rooms” for advanced color, motion, sound editing, and compressor. This works amazingly well in Resolve. Then also get it up to date with advanced generative AI features. That would bring me back. I love the magnetic timeline, but it’s not enough. It just always feels like the pro apps are low priority for Apple.
This inconsistency really bothers me. As does the fact that the iWork suite is now being dragged down by the creative suite of apps. Either take the iWork stuff out and lower the price, or justify the price for just the creative apps. Pages, Numbers, and Keynote are terrific apps and I’ve sung their praises for years, encouraging countless people to use them because they come with their Mac (et al) for free and are in many ways better than Microsoft’s offerings. Which I truly believe. But locking features and future updates behind a $13/month paywall is going to immediately nullify my argument that people should try them instead of office
Novae Bentos
macrumors newbie
Canva/Affinity monetised blur as an ai tool you pay for. Apple probably will give you comic sans as your only font & one slice in your pie chart - unlock with creator ai…
Astuces iOS
macrumors 68020
What’s the problem with the Mail app? It’s already very good !
This all reeks of Eddy Cue and sure enough I double checked the press release and he’s the named exec.
“Premium Content” sounds like those stock image and clip art bundles that you’d see in Walmart’s $4.99 bucket.
Bundling Keynote, Pages and Numbers in there makes no sense. There’s tons of home users who might want those feature but have no use for Logic Pro.
“Premium Content” sounds like those stock image and clip art bundles that you’d see in Walmart’s $4.99 bucket.
Bundling Keynote, Pages and Numbers in there makes no sense. There’s tons of home users who might want those feature but have no use for Logic Pro.
vbctv
macrumors 6502a
This one line makes almost zero sense and/or may be the most confusing line Apple has ever put out there. So if you take it as face value you would assume it means anyone who paid for a one-time subscription before this Jan 28 launch date will get the same features as those who subscribe, but those who purchase the one time after Jan. 28 will not get the same features. But that wouldn't even be possible. Unless everything will become an in-app purchase and those of us who purchased before Jan. 28 are tiered as Legacy users or something more dumb.
In reality I expect all of us who purchased the apps in the past to get shafted somehow and be forced onto the subscription to get new features. Apple is in the game to make money. The fact they are facing this subscription for the iPad versions alone is terrible. (no way to get the iPad apps without the subscription from what I understand).
Actually, they could have made it a better value proposition by adding some iCloud storage into the equation. After all, it's the creator bundle so users will now be expecting to store more files and there will also be expectation on more positive development rather than letting these apps stagnate now they are getting a regular income stream (they hope).
One of the things that makes Office 365 attractive is the bundling of 1Tb One Drive storage, so why not do that?
The way the App Store operates at the moment, a one time purchase entitles you to use the software forever. There's no mechanism for paid for updates that might give indy developers additional revenue from existing users rather than having to constantly expand the installed user base just to get money coming in.
One of the things that makes Office 365 attractive is the bundling of 1Tb One Drive storage, so why not do that?
The way the App Store operates at the moment, a one time purchase entitles you to use the software forever. There's no mechanism for paid for updates that might give indy developers additional revenue from existing users rather than having to constantly expand the installed user base just to get money coming in.
nortonandreev
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It’s just a matter of time until it’s subscription only.
It’s always something
macrumors 6502a
New hypothesis: subscriptions are actually bad for development of new features, because the software company gets the same income with or without new features and more profit from that income if they don’t fund new features. I wasn’t trying to track this, but I don’t remember seeing any new features from (for example) PDF Expert last year. 🤔
Jumping ship….This is so confusing. Another reason to use Davinci Resolve -AI features, free updates, and loyal customer service. No subscriptions.
Apple has confirmed that it will continue to offer a one-time-purchase version of Final Cut Pro for Mac for $299.99, but will that version receive every new feature?
In an interview with digital filmmaking news website CineD, Apple marketing manager Bryan O'Neil Hughes said both the one-time-purchase and Apple Creator Studio versions of Final Cut Pro for Mac will include the new "intelligent" features Visual Search, Transcript Search, and Beat Detection, but his comment did not explicitly confirm if both versions of the app will receive every additional "intelligent" feature in the future. We have reached out to Apple for comment, and we will update this story if we receive a response.
What we do know is that the one-time-purchase version of Final Cut Pro for Mac will miss out on some "premium content," according to Apple's website:In the interview, Hughes went on say that both the one-time-purchase and Creator Studio versions of Final Cut Pro for Mac will continue to receive updates and "work as you expect," but we have still yet to see Apple explicitly confirm if both versions of the Mac app will have 100% feature parity forever. For now, though, it seems like customers with the one-time-purchase version will only miss out on "premium content."
Apple's website is more explicit about Logic Pro and MainStage, promising feature parity:Some other apps in the Creator Studio bundle, including Pixelmator Pro, Keynote, Numbers, Pages, and Freeform, will be receiving some "intelligent" features that will not be available without a subscription, so it is a mixed bag.
For example, only Pixelmator Pro users with a Creator Studio subscription will be receiving a new Warp tool that allows you to twist and shape image layers.
Across the Keynote, Pages, and Numbers apps, Creator Studio subscribers will have access to a new Content Hub with high-quality photos and graphics, as well as new premium templates, themes, and more. Apple said its Freeform app will also be updated with "intelligent" features for Creator Studio subscribers later this year.
Keynote, Numbers, Pages, and Freeform do not cost money, but the apps will effectively be "freemium" now. Fortunately, Apple has ensured that all four of the apps will continue to receive other new features and updates without a subscription.
Overall, the introduction of the Creator Studio bundle makes for a more confusing landscape with less feature parity in some apps, and customers who dislike subscriptions have been voicing their disappointment. Keeping one-time purchase options around helps alleviate some concerns, but not everyone is happy with this direction.
Apple Creator Studio launches on Wednesday, January 28, with U.S. pricing set at $12.99 per month or $129.99 per year — read our earlier coverage to learn more.
Article Link: Will Final Cut Pro on Mac Get Every New Feature Without a Subscription? Here's What Apple Says
That’s not really a hypothesis; it’s a reality. Before subscriptions became common, upgrade pricing required developers to actually create new features to justify an upgrade to a new version with an additional purchase. Subscriptions are essentially passive income for developers; they don’t need to do much, since most people, unfortunately, don’t cancel their subscriptions. Apple was a major driving force behind this development, as they don’t allow upgrade pricing in the App Store. There are countless subscription-based apps out there that receive only a "bug fixes and improvements" update once a year, yet people still pay for them.
ShivneelSingh
macrumors regular
Whenever I accept a meeting request, it doesn’t send the sender a reply. We need better integration.
FasterQuieter
macrumors 6502a
Yet another reason to like Apple less. Maybe I'm entitled, but I have given them tens of thousands of dollars over the decades and they are now a $4TN company. Reasonable one-time prices for pro apps was a nice way to show appreciation to their customers. If every last cranny of the business must be a cash grab, zero exceptions, fine, but I don't have to like it and I don't have to like them.
It’s always something
macrumors 6502a
Such a shame; I create beautiful and elegant emails.
ipedro
macrumors 604
Yup, I remember that clearly. I was at MacWorld in San Francisco watching Steve Jobs announce it on stage and I bought it then and there.
As much as I like FREE (who doesn't?), it's suffered since making it free. Hard to go back on that now but a subscription for extra features is a way to get back to making development of iWork and other productivity apps financially sustainable.
I think the Google Workspace model makes the most sense. Apps are free for everyone to use, have a Cloud version with limited features for sharing and opening documents and then sell a cloud space plan with collaboration for power users and corporations. Everyone gets to use it and those who pay get a tangible benefit for their money.
A few years back I dumped all things Adobe because of this subscription garbage - that and endless updates that Adobe constantly shoved on us that more often than not broke working features and took away more tools and functionality than they added - it felty like the 'release' programs were always in Beta testing, including support for industry standard Fonts and Pantone colors! Not to mention that even a fully loaded Mac Pro / Studio STILL chokes up when doing renders in 4k and even SD!!! Simply not acceptable in a professional deadline driven environment to find out suddenly features you used and relied on were suddenly no longer supported and nothing is being done to optimize their programs to take advantage of available hardware.
Now it looks like I will be dumping Final Cut for DiVinci now... one time purchase no subscriptions. Even better those of us who own a Blackmagic Camera, DiVinci is included for FREE .
Now it looks like I will be dumping Final Cut for DiVinci now... one time purchase no subscriptions. Even better those of us who own a Blackmagic Camera, DiVinci is included for FREE .
Apple is just not quite Apple any more. Now we have yucky two-tier apps with completely arbitrary feature differences designed not to provide a genuine difference between, say, pro and prosumer levels but designed instead to rankle, to irritate, to browbeat you into upgrading. It is an upgrade path predicated on confusion, on uncertainty as what the roadmaps are, and they will not be explicit about feature disparities over time: you almost feel compelled to subscribe in order to receive certainty. If they had launched a brand new FCP, version 12, with substantial new features and capabilities and said this version was subscription-only, I could just about forgive them. At least there would be clear blue water between FCP 11 and FCP 12. But they aren't doing that, they are muddying the waters considerably, creating a kind of low-key anxiety. This absolutely stinks really and, cliche that it is, I cannot imagine Jobs ever agreeing to this. For him, they made money on premium hardware, and the software was the glue that kept you there. Apple is monetising the magic, the little bit of give and take. It is Apple at peak corporatisation.