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It's less "want to use" and more "are forced to use".

Amazon has no alternative if it wants to be part of the iOS platform.
And who is to say that they have a right to do so?

(Pyramid)
Apple built a legal monopoly on apps and tablets, and now they are using that legal monopoly to illegally force consumers to buy books on iBooks, music on iTunes and movies on iTunes.

They are not forcing people to use iBooks! Nobody is forcing you to use an iPad!
 
They are not forcing people to use iBooks! Nobody is forcing you to use an iPad!

Using your criteria I can't imagine how any company could ever be considered to have a harmful monopoly.

Other than food, water and shelter there's very little anybody actually needs to buy.
 
An earlier poster said Apple has a 97% share of the tablet market. The fact that they have control over what software can be installed on their devices means that forcing developers to use their transaction system is anti-competitive.

This is no different than if Microsoft tried to interfere with or cripple third-party browsers on Windows via technical means. Yes, Apple is crippling Kindle by blocking them from showing consumers how to purchase their goods with a link.

First, the earlier poster was wrong about the share. Second, findings under antitrust law (at least in the US) require, in most cases significant and "durable" market power. There isn't going to be an antitrust investigation into a year old market. You aren't anti-competitive just because you invented a new market.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/antitrust/monopolization_defined.shtm
(As an aside, there is a nice summary of the Microsoft case as an example on this page for all those people that think it was only about bundling IE.)

I don't think it can without facing legal problems in some markets

I look forward to your legal citations.
 
Expect the part where companies that have started selling subs through the app store have seen big gains in new subs...

That isn't relevant to a discussion about anti-competitive behavior. How many of these other apps sell something that Apple also sells through its own store?

The fact that Apple is positioning competitors to be more expensive by manipulating their terms is a clear sign of anticompetitive behavior.

I must be missing the legal ruling that States that Apple has a monopoly and is considered a trust. Care to point that Out. I am sure that Google is perfectly willing to show that they have more devices. Not to mention that Amazon still sells their own device.

That is not quite right. One could argue that Apple's practice is anti-competitive, but for anti-trust Apple would have to hold a monopoly first. Secondly, there is the fact that you can simply sell your content outside of Apple's ecosystem.

Apple has a very large share of the tablet and app store markets (relative to other app stores and tablets). It can use this dominance to manipulate the nature of the market, and exclude other competitors from realistically having an equal playing field. You don't need 100% of the market, or even 50% of the market necessarily, to be guilty of this. All that matters is that a company uses its market influence as leverage in other sectors.

Really. >210,000,000 kindles have been sold? Are you sure about that number?

The market for e-ink book readers has grown more rapidly than tablets according to this article.

While I'm sure the Kindle shares that honor with several other devices, it is most likely the lead device because they are very popular and in everyday life they are the ones I see most often on buses, trains, and the like.
 
And why B&N would cooperate with Apple?

If Amazon refused to remove the button and the Kindle app was removed from IOS, B&N could agree to remove the button, stay on IOS, and thus eliminate their Amazon competition on IOS (i.e. it would drive many more people who use IOS and don't own a Kindle towards a Nook).
 
First, the earlier poster was wrong about the share. Second, findings under antitrust law (at least in the US) require, in most cases significant and "durable" market power. There isn't going to be an antitrust investigation into a year old market. You aren't anti-competitive just because you invented a new market.

http://www.ftc.gov/bc/antitrust/monopolization_defined.shtm
(As an aside, there is a nice summary of the Microsoft case as an example on this page for all those people that think it was only about bundling IE.)



I look forward to you legal citations.

Remember EU laws are a hell of a lot less forgiving than US laws. The fact that it is quetionalable that they could get in trouble in the US makes the threat of the EU a hell of a lot higher.

Apple tends to back down then they know they are going to get slammed legally. They did it with fairplay DRM on music. They were looking at being dragged into multiple law suits in Europe for anti trust. Their kept being case after case popping up over there so it was safe to say that they were going running a real risk of being nailed big time so they gave and remove the DRM from the iTMS to not protect against it from happening.
 
Using your criteria I can't imagine how any company could ever be considered to have a harmful monopoly.

Other than food, water and shelter there's very little anybody actually needs to buy.

the right to connect to Bell's network?

After all, no one was forcing Bell's customers to own a telephone, right?


Apple is not the only way to get Kindle eBooks or other eBooks. Other than Apple's IOS platform you can get kindle books on:

1) Mac's
2) PC's
3) A Kindle Made by Amazon
4) Any compatible Google Android device (Lets assume that it has the marketplace - not sure if that is a requirement).
5) Blackberry devices

All of this was found in a minute.... Here.
 
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Remember EU laws are a hell of a lot less forgiving than US laws. The fact that it is quetionalable that they could get in trouble in the US makes the threat of the EU a hell of a lot higher.

Yes. You bring this up in every antitrust decision without any evidence to support the legality under EU law of the specific claims being discussed.

I assure you than here in Europe, if Apple bans every ebook/music/video competitor from its App Store may have legal problems for anti competitive practices.

I'd prefer links to assurances. If WalMart decided to sell only WalMart brand products, would they have legal problems too?
 
Not if Amazon is bringing in their own customers familiar with the Kindle ecosystem. From day one the only way to actually buy kindle books was through Amazons website.

Apple's POV is that if you have your own customers that you brought in to the platform they have to depend entirely on you (g) to get your content. The minute you want to use our gateways though you pay a toll.

So you consider a simple money transaction service a "gateway" worth a 30% cut? Even when Apple handles the transaction the customer is entirely dependent on its own network service and the content provider to actually get the content. Apple walks away with their 30% and don't care anymore.

First, the earlier poster was wrong about the share.

Where was _I_ wrong? I just referred to an article here on Macrumors that claimed the tablet market share for iPad is over 85% worldwide, 97% in the US
 
I'd prefer links to assurances.

Which assurances? European Union laws? Prior fines to companies here for anti competitive practices?

My God, Apple faced legal problems only for not allowing a citizen from country A buy iTunes music from country B store when prices in B where lower than A even when there was no Apple fault.
 
And who is to say that they have a right to do so?

(Pyramid)


They are not forcing people to use iBooks! Nobody is forcing you to use an iPad!

Nobody is forcing you to use a cellphone but if one company had a 90% marketshare in cellphones, you'll likely call it a monopoly.

That does not mean that eBooks on full-mode tablets is a market that is clearly defined enough to matter to antitrust authorisation. They could easily include the Kindle hardware in the market definition and then the iPad is far from having a monopoly.
 
Apple is not the only way to get Kindle eBooks or other eBooks. Other than Apple's IOS platform you can get kindle books on:

1) Mac's
2) PC's
3) A Kindle Made by Amazon
4) Any compatible Google Android device (Lets assume that it has the marketplace - not sure if that is a requirement).
5) Blackberry devices

All of this was found in a minute.... Here.

I'm well aware of how the Kindle Store works, it does not change the fact that if you want to use an iOS device all of that is irrelevant. The App Store is the only way for an iOS user to access Kindle books.
 
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I can't really find fault with RandomHouse. Their ebook prices are "reasonable" given the suggested retail price of any corresponding print version. Problem is, Amazon has never sold the print versions at the suggested retail price. Now paperback copies are cheaper than ebooks because Apple insisted that ebooks be sold under a different pricing model than print books. It makes no sense.

I've been enjoying and agreeing with your postings -- you seem to be the only one who's taking a look at the larger context -- the publishers, not just Amazon.

I'd argue with your "reasonable" description. A traditional publisher assumes all sorts of risks -- upfront costs, advertising, printing, distribution, returns (the dreaded returns) royalties, and others. So it can be argued that a fairly high price is OK, because the print publisher invests/risks more. Fair enough.

With e-books, nope. By any metric, the cost to produce and distribute e-books is very low.

Publishers are trying to offset some of their costs/risks in the print arena by high prices in the e-arena. Most traditional publishing contracts pay the author the same royalty on an e-book as on a print book. From the author's point of view this looks like a bad deal, because of the publisher's lower costs and not-very-much-lower price. The author gets about the same amount, but of the publisher's share, much more is profit.

Again, a different problem than the one being discussed. I'll just say again that it's important to see a somewhat larger picture than just Apple vs. Amazon. I'm glad you started showing that.
 
Yes. You bring this up in every antitrust decision without any evidence to support the legality under EU law of the specific claims being discussed.



I'd prefer links to assurances. If WalMart decided to sell only WalMart brand products, would they have legal problems too?

Look up WalMart's market share. That will answer your question.
 
It's sort of incredible how people who are tech savvy have no business sense. I sometimes am annoyed at Apple, but what they are doing makes sense.This is the deal, as simply as I can put it.

With iPhone/iPad, Apple opened a new revenue stream for businesses - a new way to make money they were not able to before. They sell an app (say for $1) and Apple gets 30% of that sale. This is pretty standard. Now these companies can make millions they would not have made before. And of course Apple makes money too.

Then with certain apps, companies can sell other items inside the app, say books. So once again they have a new way to make more money, again money they were not getting before. With the in-app sales, Apple gets nothing. A company might sell a finite number of the apps, but the in-app sales is infinite. Apple comes along and says, hey, we should get a cut, as we were the ones who created the new revenue stream for you. And guess what, that's standard for any business! They would be stupid to say no to Apple because they would then give up all this new money. As said many times over, 70% of some is way better than 100% of nothing.

It may sound like greed to some people, but that's good business. And it's common in all industries! Just as those companies selling in-app items can have expanding business, Apple business needs to expand too. If they did not take a cut, they would be silly, and losing out on huge growth opportunities. All app stores will do this. Andriod also does the 70-30 split. I'm not 100% sure about in-app purchases, but if not now, they certainly will. Business, people! Business!


So in your opinion Ma Bell is entitled to a cut on all telesales activities because they invented the phone?
 
Which assurances? European Union laws? Prior fines to companies here for anti competitive practices?

Seriously? Your argument is "companies have been fined in the past for anti-competitive practices, so Apple is being anti-competitive." That's hilarious.

My God, Apple faced legal problems only for not allowing a citizen from country A buy iTunes music from country B store when prices in B where lower than A even when there was no Apple fault.

The same laws that apply directly to that situation do not apply to the situation being discussed.

I just asked for legal citations that back your claim that Apple would have legal problems in the EU if they banned other ebook apps from the app store. Should be simple if you know what you are talking about.
 
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