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Will Kindle App Survive Apple's Deadline for iOS Content Purchasing Compliance?
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In this case I thought it was exceptionally clear.
You said:
After quoting you "Oletros" replied:
At this point it should be clear to any reader that Apple DOES prevent books being bought from the Safari because they forbid Apps to link to a web page.
IMO there's little room for misunderstanding when someone quotes what they are replying to.
You make a good point. Though I think if we got actual numbers we'd discover that true readers already have a Kindle. Also that only a small percentage of iPad owners use it for heavy reading.
Due to this, I'm pretty sure, in the current scenario, Amazon would lose much more money from not being on iPad than Apple would. Also think about how there are a limited number of times the Kindle app can be sold (this equaling to the number of devices) the selling of books is unlimited. So certainly Amazon would lose out.
From a personal pole of all my friends and family (about a dozen) who own iPad, only one uses it for heavy reading of Kindle books. I admit it's not real research.
Do that many people buy apps by linking from the Iphone/Ipad Kindle apps? I have a Kindle, Iphone and Ipad and I much prefer to look at the book selection on a computer, or at least in the browser on My Ipad. It wouldn't bother me at all if they took away the 'Kindle Store' button. Maybe I am in the minority.
Well, a recent article on Macrumors suggests that iPad's tablet market share is 97% in the US, so...
How does that prevent books from being bought from Safari? The conversation that I started with Oletros was in the context of "in browser" purchasing. Apple doesn't "prevent" or "get a cut" from an "in browser" purchase. At best, you could argue that they discourage "in browser" purchases of in app content by not allowing a link.
Safe to say Amazon will not do that. They are among the few that have the balls to take Apple on head on and force them to back down.
Amazon forced AT&T to give on their side loading.
Amazon is making a point with its App store.
They will do it here as well and if Apple removes them you can expect a law suit to be slamed against Apple for Antitrust/Anti competitive behavior .
Apple changed the rules when they got themselves ingrained in the market. You can sure bet that if these rules were in place on day one Amazon would of never made the app. But iBookstore comes out, Apple lined up publishers and now they are trying to force everyone else out. That is pretty clear antitrust there.
Apple could be fine if they allowed side loading and 3rd party App stores and then they could say oh look you can go to another store to get those Apps but Apple demand of 30% for a basic payment processor is insane.
If you want, change my first comment to "At least Amazon doesn't prevent buying content beginning the transaction from inside a Kindle book"
I apologize for sounding harsh. But there is no argument to make. I did answer your question. Yes, everyone makes deals with the carriers. So yes, they get a cut of everyone's revenue. But I'm oversimplifying.
It's clear that you really don't understand business at all. I was being snippy because I thought you were being a jerk, but it's just that you really don't know what's up. I do find it amazing though. Really go read a business book or take a class. (Same for Vizin, clearly doesn't get it either.) It'll be enlightening, and maybe fun.
And Apple doesn't prevent buying content beginning the transaction from inside an iBook, do they? Or a Kindle book for that matter?
I think is it interesting that folks don't believe that a company that invents a technology(billions) and builds hundreds of real "brick and morter" stores to help support clients(more billions), has the right to forbid the competition from using it to steal their customers away. Have we become so important that all companies "owe" us whatever we want them to provide, despite the economic damage that it causes them? I'm not taking sides, but I don't see Amazon advertising Apple's bookstore on their site. Apple has every right to NOT fund/support their competition. Just as I would expect Amazon would do if the tables were turned. Imagine a "buy from Apple" button on the Amazon site.
Which revenue take Verizon or Vodafone from Apple or Nokia.
Start to say that nobody but you know when you explain why a company owes a cut from a transaction when they don't publicites the content, doesn't store the content, doesn't delivers the content and it's not used their infrastructure.
And then you can explain the difference between buying a physical book and an electronic book and why in the former they deserve a cut
Ah, twisting arguments. Are you comparing Kindle cosystem to iPhone/iPad/iPod ecosystem?
Of course it is.
Amazon is no longer going to be allowed by Apple to sell content in the way it currently does.
How is that anything other than "prevention"?
You've lost me here. You started the comparison between Kindle and iOS. I made an exact apples to apples comparison to your claim. Word for word. No twisting at all.
That's not a relevant market - iOs covers multiple devices. You cannot just pick and choose your markets here - courts look at the big picture when they look at ant-trust.
Not to mention that it is not going to pass legal muster as far as a court is concerned. The courts are going to look at multiple sources for relevant markets. And you would bet that Apple is going to focus on other full platforms pointing out that there are hundreds of manufacturers selling Android based tablets. There is plenty of choice. Apple will simply argue that any tablet monopoly was obtained by building and selling a better device.
The relevant market is the ebook market. Not the tablet market.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)
No they are not, I never use the link and either buy the book on my Mac or go directly to the kindle store website on my iPhone to buy it. The link is a convenience for non techie types.
No they are not, I never use the link and either buy the book on my Mac or go directly to the kindle store website on my iPhone to buy it. The link is a convenience for non techie types.
No, you started comparing iOS ecosystem to Xbox and Kindle ecosystem.
Kindle doesn't have so many apps, it doesn't have in purchase system, etc.
Who said Apple is obligated to do anything?
How is Apple preventing people from using their iOS version of safari to buy books from Amazon.com?