Eh, I see what you are saying, but I disagree. I think of it more like the hardware comes with Pro Tools. You can get some pretty incredible hardware for Logic too. I find the exclusivity of Pro Tools software and hardware unappealing. It's one of the reasons I use Logic.
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Will LOGIC Replace PRO TOOLS?
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Eh, I see what you are saying, but I disagree. I think of it more like the hardware comes with Pro Tools. You can get some pretty incredible hardware for Logic too. I find the exclusivity of Pro Tools software and hardware unappealing. It's one of the reasons I use Logic.
I don't know if this was at all sarcastic or anything, but if you haven't used Logic in a while, check it out. Audio has gotten a lot better in the more recent versions. I think that if both programs came out for the first time today (so Pro Tools wouldn't have the marketshare, use and familiarity that it does) Logic would become standard. Granted, this is just my opinion, but I think Logic's interface is much more appealing and straightforward than Pro Tools'. Give it a shot. You might have some fun!
Hah, wow, that's the first time I've ever heard anyone extol the virtues of Logic's user interface! Even the die hard fans of Logic that I know admit that logic has a very difficult user interface.
how so?
granted, it's been a couple years since i've seen it, but i saw a disturbing thing with audio: after recording an instrument, and hitting stop, it would take a long time for the waveform to render on the screen so it could be manipulated. in some cases, over a minute. to me, that's unuseable.
PT is and has been instantaneous. has Logic got that sorted now?
Depends what you mean by "the industry."
In terms of big studios the answer is no, not anytime soon. PT has a big and established foothold here and those places are reluctant to change quickly or invest in new systems unless there is a really compelling reason to do so.
But, the big question is really about the future of those kinds of studios and their role in the industry. For musicians with home studios, project studios and mutilmedia houses, the equations are really different and there is a lot of competition between PT, Logic, Nuendo and DP. Certainly for film, Logic and Soundtrack Pro have made real inroads, same for a lot of producer/DJ/beatmakers.
In terms of big studios the answer is no, not anytime soon. PT has a big and established foothold here and those places are reluctant to change quickly or invest in new systems unless there is a really compelling reason to do so.
But, the big question is really about the future of those kinds of studios and their role in the industry. For musicians with home studios, project studios and mutilmedia houses, the equations are really different and there is a lot of competition between PT, Logic, Nuendo and DP. Certainly for film, Logic and Soundtrack Pro have made real inroads, same for a lot of producer/DJ/beatmakers.
Protools HD is a very good pro system that works across specialisms in audio, Digi are owned by AVID, and as such is effectively AVID Audio Post solution, it excells in that role, it's sync options are very well configured and it deals with nasty stuff like frame-rate pull-up/down easily.
The fact that it's also become a platform of choice for many music producer/engineers is fortuitous but not surprising. I wouldn't consider going into a big project with anything else these days.
However LE is a disregarded slow cousin, even with the 003 interfaces, it lacks essential features (5.1 mixing FFS!!!) that are removed simply to protect HD's market, and it requires stupid amounts or DSP from the main processor. LE and Logic head to head is very hard to argue from a PT POV.
I use LE because I'm lucky enough to have 10 HD systems at my disposal, and feeding slave sessions from the MBP back to an HD system is easy and very productive.
I can't see Logic surpassing PT in pro studio applications, but it p0wns PT in composition/production in project situations.
The fact that it's also become a platform of choice for many music producer/engineers is fortuitous but not surprising. I wouldn't consider going into a big project with anything else these days.
However LE is a disregarded slow cousin, even with the 003 interfaces, it lacks essential features (5.1 mixing FFS!!!) that are removed simply to protect HD's market, and it requires stupid amounts or DSP from the main processor. LE and Logic head to head is very hard to argue from a PT POV.
I use LE because I'm lucky enough to have 10 HD systems at my disposal, and feeding slave sessions from the MBP back to an HD system is easy and very productive.
I can't see Logic surpassing PT in pro studio applications, but it p0wns PT in composition/production in project situations.
Logic 8 will definitely win fans who consider midi support important. Theres a couple of tutors where I work who have always used Pro Tools who are now switching to Logic for its superior midi editing tools.
I can't see Digi ever putting in decent editing tools, but I guess for the majority of users it's not that big an issue.
I don't like Pro Tools but I can't get on with Logics GUI. So I don't use either
I can't see Digi ever putting in decent editing tools, but I guess for the majority of users it's not that big an issue.
I don't like Pro Tools but I can't get on with Logics GUI. So I don't use either
Here is the Kitchen here in Dallas that uses PT HD with Apogee...
http://www.thekitchenstudios.net/equipment.htm
Their SSL console....
I use the same SSL E/G console at NYU (i like to call it the F series). Yes, with PT HD as well as two inch tape.
Haha, I really like it. The environment is a crazy place, but other than that, I think the user interface is great!
I don't think it has. But it never takes that long for me. Maybe up to twenty seconds for twelve 4-minute tracks or so?
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i could not live with that. in PT, it's instantaneous, and (afaik) always has been.
I guess I never thought about it being such an issue for me. I am a Logic man, but I know I'm still going to have to give some time to PT and really learn it to be any kind of successful producer. With Digital Performer, I didn't like it at first, and some things had complicated setups that just worked in Logic, but I've really grown to see the strengths of it now. I'm sure it will be similar with Pro Tools.
it's fairly geared towards those who learned on tape and desks (like me). but you're right in that each DAW has its own learning curve.
COULD logic replace protools...sure.
WILL logic replace protools..probably not anytime soon.
having worked for the last few years in a studio with a blown out HD3 system and seperate rooms running digital performer and logic...i'd say the main difference was that PT required much more tech support and suffered much more down time than the other systems combined.
PT is, for the moment, the industry standard but quite frankly...there's a lot of people who would/will switch when the time is right.
the differences in the feature sets of the major programs are becoming negligible...and the edge that PT had because of the limits incurred by native processing are pretty much history.
WILL logic replace protools..probably not anytime soon.
having worked for the last few years in a studio with a blown out HD3 system and seperate rooms running digital performer and logic...i'd say the main difference was that PT required much more tech support and suffered much more down time than the other systems combined.
PT is, for the moment, the industry standard but quite frankly...there's a lot of people who would/will switch when the time is right.
the differences in the feature sets of the major programs are becoming negligible...and the edge that PT had because of the limits incurred by native processing are pretty much history.
Logic Pro 8 fanboy here. Use it mainly for 'real' audio and don't understand why people think it's mainly a midi sequencer (historical reasons I guess). Never used PT, and I'm not going to take the time, money and trouble to bother with now. However, I should think its inertia in the big studios will make it hard to topple if nothing else will.
But, punks & amateurs like me with home studios in their boxrooms... that's a different story! Industry Standard? There'll always be a role for the big quality studios, but the industry is creeping away from there, towards the garage and the bedroom.
I was put off PT by stories of hardware compatibility issues, and confusion about what was the best version was to get. LP8 with it's new price point just seemed like a no-brainer.
Now my remaining issues are pretty niggling and mainly with bugs rather than user interface issues.
SL
But, punks & amateurs like me with home studios in their boxrooms... that's a different story! Industry Standard? There'll always be a role for the big quality studios, but the industry is creeping away from there, towards the garage and the bedroom.
I was put off PT by stories of hardware compatibility issues, and confusion about what was the best version was to get. LP8 with it's new price point just seemed like a no-brainer.
In my experience, very steep learning curve, but great once you get the hang of it. When trying to learn Logic, I expected it to be like GarageBand on steroids - but it was the first time I ever had to go and buy a 3rd party book (Martin Sitter's).
Now my remaining issues are pretty niggling and mainly with bugs rather than user interface issues.
It would appear so.
SL
Just did a quick experiment - actually it's not instantaneous, but It's fast enough for me. Hadn't noticed before.
I guess that Logic only builds the overview after you've finished recording to save processing power whilst it is recording. Makes sense, in a way.
SL
thanks for checking. if you hadn't noticed it before, perhaps it is a solved issue.
not sure i agree: writing bits to disc takes surprisingly little processing power.
Well, I use Logic. Some people like it, some people don't. I think its just personal preference.
Most engineers i work with are blown away by how fast i work in logic but they can blow me away in Pro Tools. As for industry standard, Its hard to say. Just go with the one your most familiar with.
Most engineers i work with are blown away by how fast i work in logic but they can blow me away in Pro Tools. As for industry standard, Its hard to say. Just go with the one your most familiar with.
If you're recording several tracks at the same time (eg, a drumkit plus some other stuff), and have some real-time effects & software instruments in there too, then recording does eat a lot of processing power. Okay so I don't know anyone who'd actually records like that
but the point is you don't want anything to risk your recording.There's also an option in Logic that says "Faster Overviews (may affect performance)". I haven't experimented with it tho.
Sorry I'm being a picky Logic fanboi.
SL
effects and instruments, yeah, but grabbing bits from the a/d converter and putting them to a hard drive, even for a good number of tracks, didn't really tax machines even from the mid-80's.
I track bands on a PT HD3 rig with 32 i/o, and I use real-time effects and soft instruments as I do it. PT eats it up and the only thing I really have to worry about is HD i/o bandwidth.
A FW800 disc at 7200/10000 rpm works a treat.
FWIW, Elastic Audio is addictive and fast becoming essential.
This argument is a little null tbh, it's like arguing about a car or a football, chose the one you want to use and get on with making great music.