Your willingness to take things out of context while ignoring the numerous posts that completely destroyed your premise is more than telling.....
There is no way my Geoforce 9400 is more powerful than the HD4000 in the rMBP, just no way.
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Will rMBP 13'' ever have discrete graphics? [RANT]
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Your willingness to take things out of context while ignoring the numerous posts that completely destroyed your premise is more than telling.....
There is no way my Geoforce 9400 is more powerful than the HD4000 in the rMBP, just no way.
nope, check again, they all have. last year lenovo also had a thinkpad edge with a 6630m, which also was the one that was found on the vaio SA at the time or in the case of the SB the 6470m.
There are also smaller machines that pack a dgpu like the clevo w110er, it packs a 650m with a quad core. You also didnt check the fujitsu models, or the LG models that come with one.
But to the point there is a difference between all those and the rmbp 13, the only competitor that it has is the sony vaio z, which is going to be discountinued.
You should heed your own advise..
the vaio z does NOT have dedicated graphics.. the optional dock you can purchase has it.. which makes portability and (more extreme) gaming impossible (and you might as well get a desktop).lol my native language isn't even English but even I get annoyed from people who use these words in the wrong way.
You should heed your own advise..
actually my idea is to have a thunderbolt egpu, so yeah, when the rmbp 13 gets real enough I will buy one.
I dunno
Integrated graphics are advancing at a much faster pace than discrete chips nowadays. Intel HD 5000 (which is coming out next year) is said to have 1.5X the performance of Intel HD 4000, which certainly isn't bad (pretty damn good actually). Intel HD 5000 will def give low to medium end discretes a run for their money.----------
Sure, it costs less than $100 to add. But what about space issues, heat issues and battery life issues?
Last year. But not this year-- why is that? Because the HD4000 is fast enough to serve the same needs.
Well you finally found a model obscure enough!
It's not without its own compromises though-- according to this review it gets less than half the battery life of any macbook pro, and weighs more than a 13" retina macbook.
So yes, as a strictly gaming laptop, it's great. As a laptop to use all day at work, it's pretty useless unless you drag that power brick around with you.
I would hardly consider that to be a competitor to any macbook. It's more of a competitor to most portable gaming systems.
i was waiting in 2011 (with the MBA) and here we are at the end of 2012. Cheap, stable versions will probably not be available for some time. At least not until TB is adopted on the PC side at the earliest.
For fun, I looked into a bunch of Windows Ultrabooks today. They're all pieces of garbage when it comes to driving external displays. Most can't go above 1080p/HDMI. I think I saw one with a single TB port but I don't even know what resolution it could drive since the website - on the Tech Spec page - didn't even bother listing that! So, look like most Ultrabooks can't touch my year-old 11" MBA - much less a 13" or 15" rMBP.
haswell should change that
and you get from sonnet a tb adaptor that works just fine right now, Im thinking really hard on getting one, but given that i have just bought a new gpu for my old notebook Im not inclined to do this right now.
thats because of the hdmi specs that they use and what the hd4000 provides. DP is very different from HDMI.
again the s13 does comes with a 640m le, you have serious problems using google. And no clevo is more and more on the spotlight given its gaming capabilities.
and no one would just carry their notebooks without the charger for work in a daily basis, you are going to have to replace the battery before the notebook life ends. But if you are doing this, the recommended model would the thinkpad x230, it can have easily 30h+ of battery life, and while the batteries there cost the same, you dont have any downtime when you are buying a new one.
check this thread I made
http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...-11-14-notebooks-gaming-worth-compendium.html
there will be the lenovo y400 added to list shortly, currently the lenovo page is a mess and Im waiting for it get something more real in terms of specs to put that the 14'' can do dual gpu setup using the ultrabay, this is a good novelty btw, although that model weights the same as a 15'' so its out for me, but its a powerhouse, that is going to be the nastiest 14'' in terms of gaming, only thing that gets close is the clevo at 15'' with the 680m or the larger msi gt60 with the same gpu
You can see that I have some limitations as to what goes in and what goes out.
But as I said the only competitor to the rmbp is the z21 or z13. but the point was that yes you can put a dgpu in a 13 notebook.
I think that's the slot the MBA is about to take up, not the smaller MBP.
It depends on Intel's IGPU roadmap. Right now on my 15", I can run from integrated graphics and it'd certainly be usable for stuff like Safari and Pages. Gaming wouldn't be as fast and the machine may struggle in 3/4 years rather than the 4/5 years I'd expect from a MBP.
Intel are finally taking their graphics seriously. This is nowhere near as bad as the X3100 on my 2008 MacBook.
Integrated GPUs don't have to be slower than a discrete card. For one thing, they don't have separate VRAM, so you don't need (potentially) expensive copy operations out of main RAM. This is probably better for things like OpenCL rather than games which will just copy textures to the card on loading.
At least for gaming, the lack of separate graphics memory is more of a hindrance than an aid. Video memory tends to be much faster
Could be; most of the GPU-centric work I've done has been GPGPU-related, where copy operations in to- and out from- GPU memory can be a significant overhead. You just don't have them on integrated platforms where there is no discrete memory.
I've heard that future OpenCL specs are tending towards fully cache-coherent systems. It'll be interesting to see what that does to the balance of things.
True to a point, but firstly normal RAM is a lot slower than your standard graphics card RAM, and secondly, I don't think both the CPU and the IGPU can read and write to the same part of memory. As the IGPU has its own memory allocated, information has to be copied from one place in memory to another anyway, to be seen by the IGPU. Which is very unfortunate.
This is no longer true. VRAM (Video) and RAM has been unified under the same address space. See USE_HOST_PTR.
It's why you see OpenCL applications on the HD4000 will sometimes dominate HD7970 and GTX580 (the fastest GPGPU cards from AMD/NVIDIA)
I would go one further and say that the vast majority of people, irrespective of the brand in question, couldn't tell you what is inside their respective laptops.
Why would you even consider a 13" rMBP for gaming? It's obvious that Apple is trying to make these machines as thin and light as possible, and they're trying to maximize battery life while powering that hungry retina display. So....why do all you gamers think that Apple should attempt to cram a dGPU in there?
If that's a big concern for you, there are bigger, heavier laptops that will give you a better gaming experience. Hell, many of them are probably cheaper.
If that's a big concern for you, there are bigger, heavier laptops that will give you a better gaming experience. Hell, many of them are probably cheaper.
Disagree in some extent. For instance, I travel a lot across the home country and sometimes go overseas so portability is of great importance for me and 13" is very suitable for my purposes. However during the trip I use several applications which are hardware greedy and it is necessary for me to have at least 16GB RAM as well as GPU. At the same time for those who would recommend 15" as an alternative I can say that dimension of the device is an issue. So now I have 2 variants: portability +low performance or performance+no portability and it's quite a task to make a choice in favor of the 1st or the 2nd variant because both are not for me.
Honestly, if you want to game get a desktop but I know ppl like having the portability like myself. How many would be seriously playing a hardcore game on the go, probably unlikely, most likely you would be playing on a desk/table somewhere at home or at a friends place. But having the convenience of taking your laptop with is a plus.
The best setup for a macbook is an eGPU setup.
I'm currently running a GTX 670 via thunderbolt with a 13" retina. So far I'm only able to use it via an external monitor. Hopefully though I can get it running on the internal display.
I can tell you though, I've run crysis 2, borderlands 2, dead island, diablo 2 and starcraft 2 all running and max setting and full HD 1080 all games run pretty much perfect.
You can say it's a very expensive setup but I just sold my desktop and have no need for one now.
The best setup for a macbook is an eGPU setup.
I'm currently running a GTX 670 via thunderbolt with a 13" retina. So far I'm only able to use it via an external monitor. Hopefully though I can get it running on the internal display.
I can tell you though, I've run crysis 2, borderlands 2, dead island, diablo 2 and starcraft 2 all running and max setting and full HD 1080 all games run pretty much perfect.
You can say it's a very expensive setup but I just sold my desktop and have no need for one now.