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Putting the speakers in would likely reduce weight, since you'd basically be removing battery, which is a big chunk of the weight, and possibly replacing it with the reverb chambers, which are mostly empty space.

Putting in speakers would reduce weight?? How?? How can they just remove battery there has ought to be a some size of battery to power the iPad for 9 hours and that would add weight right?
 
I can't believe the Pencil is still hard to find over two months after it was released. I don't get it.
Ordered one the other day and it is down to 7-10 days. So not as bad as 2-3 weeks which has been the projection for months now.
 
Putting in speakers would reduce weight?? How?? How can they just remove battery there has ought to be a some size of battery to power the iPad for 9 hours and that would add weight right?

With the switch to using the A9 and the screen tech in the iPad Pro, which based on the Anandtech review offers significant power savings, you can reduce the battery size in the Air while maintaining the current 10ish hours of use. With the extra space afforded by the smaller battery, you can then add in the iPad Pro speaker system which, since its comprised mostly of an empty reverb chamber, would likely weigh less than the battery its replacing.
 
Although some might like to think it, the Apple Pencil is not magical. It is merely Apple's alternative (albeit superior) to the other attempts at an active stylus for the iPad. As such, I would not be surprised at all that the next 9.7" iPad includes support for it. Especially with sagging/slowing iPad sales, the inclusion of support for the Pencil alone will boost sales.
 
Although some might like to think it, the Apple Pencil is not magical. It is merely Apple's alternative (albeit superior) to the other attempts at an active stylus for the iPad. As such, I would not be surprised at all that the next 9.7" iPad includes support for it. Especially with sagging/slowing iPad sales, the inclusion of support for the Pencil alone will boost sales.

Not magical of course, but as someone who loves the iPad for note taking and that I have tried many of the best styluses available, I can assure you there is no point of comparison between any of them and what you can do with the Apple pencil, actually that is the main reason because of which I bought the Pro and didn´t keep my iPad Air
 
Not magical of course, but as someone who loves the iPad for note taking and that I have tried many of the best styluses available, I can assure you there is no point of comparison between any of them and what you can do with the Apple pencil, actually that is the main reason because of which I bought the Pro and didn´t keep my iPad Air
Well, that's a bit of exaggeration. No point of comparison, really?
 
Well, that's a bit of exaggeration. No point of comparison, really?
For note taking there isn't, trying to wirte on old iPads was extremeley difficult. For drawings I don't know because I'm no artist but for me at least it iPad was unusable for note taking before the Pro, I even switched to the Surface Pro 3 because of that
 
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With the switch to using the A9 and the screen tech in the iPad Pro, which based on the Anandtech review offers significant power savings, you can reduce the battery size in the Air while maintaining the current 10ish hours of use. With the extra space afforded by the smaller battery, you can then add in the iPad Pro speaker system which, since its comprised mostly of an empty reverb chamber, would likely weigh less than the battery its replacing.

But tell me seriously who listens to sound from iPad's inbuilt speakers, atleast I don't listen, I either attach a headphone or connect to external speakers and listen to it. So this idea of adding four speakers to the iPad Air sounds silly to me that too at the cost of weight. The current iPad Air-2 is built in such a fantastic manner and is thin than even a pencil, it is a great device with its current weight why would someone in his sensible mind would want to fiddle around with that !! That would be outrageous !!
 
I think not including apple pencil support in the next iPad Air would be a big mistake. Ipad sales are falling. There is no reason to keep apple pencil support for the iPad pro only. The iPad pro is for artists who need a big drawing surface. iPad pros are too big for the avg user. But an Apple pencil would be a big selling point for the avg user who won't buy an iPad pro but will buy an iPad air or mini.. It would increase iPad air sales as well as Apple pencil sales if they include Apple pencil support in all future ipads.
 
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There are at least 3:

- protecting the Pro
- preventing the 3 from getting heavier
- a further price hike on the 3 will kill sales even more

Implementing Pencil support is *NOT* a no cost solution. The new displayhw does cost more then the old and is heavier.
 
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There are at least 3:

- protecting the Pro
- preventing the 3 from getting heavier
- a further price hike on the 3 will kill sales even more

Implementing Pencil support is *NOT* a no cost solution. The new displayhw does cost more then the old and is heavier.

Completely and respectively disagree. There is no need to protect the iPad pro. It's a niche product. The avg user doesn't want or need a screen that big. But an artist does. The fact is that iPad sales are slipping. Once again in Apples latest earnings report last week this was confirmed yet again. So I would argue that it IS cost effective to add apple pencil support in the iPad air. It would definitely help increase sales and wouldn't hirt the niche market of artists who will go for the larger pro tablet.
 
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Completely and respectively disagree. There is no need to protect the iPad pro. It's a niche product. The avg user doesn't want or need a screen that big. But an artist does. The fact is that iPad sales are slipping. Once again in Apples latest earnings report last week this was confirmed yet again. So I would argue that it IS cost effective to add apple pencil support in the iPad air. It would definitely help increase sales and wouldn't hirt the niche market of artists who will go for the larger pro tablet.
In addition to that, adding Pencil support for the Air means more people with the option to buy the Pencil which in turn gives developers more incentive to write new apps/update existing apps to support the Pencil.

So in that sense, adding the Pencil to the Air further supports the Pro.


For note taking there isn't, trying to wirte on old iPads was extremeley difficult. For drawings I don't know because I'm no artist but for me at least it iPad was unusable for note taking before the Pro, I even switched to the Surface Pro 3 because of that
I have taken notes and still do. There are bluetooth styli for the non-Pro iPad that work just fine for taking notes including support for palm rejection. Same goes for drawing. There ARE styli out there beyond the $0.99 rubber or foam tips models. ;)

As I said previously, without a doubt the Apple Pencil is above and beyond those alternatives, but to make it sound like there were no viable options prior to the Pencil is not quite correct.
 
Completely and respectively disagree. There is no need to protect the iPad pro. It's a niche product. The avg user doesn't want or need a screen that big. But an artist does. The fact is that iPad sales are slipping. Once again in Apples latest earnings report last week this was confirmed yet again. So I would argue that it IS cost effective to add apple pencil support in the iPad air. It would definitely help increase sales and wouldn't hirt the niche market of artists who will go for the larger pro tablet.

You, like many other, are dodging the question what happens to the higher weight and price of the needed components. Despite what many think Apple engineers aren't wizards...
 
You, like many other, are dodging the question what happens to the higher weight and price of the needed components. Despite what many think Apple engineers aren't wizards...

What are the component and assembly costs to Apple for the added layer in support of the Apple Pencil? What are the improvements in manufacturing yields? What is the impact to the overall weight does the Apple Pencil support?

Until that information is released, your opinion of a significantly negative impact is just that... opinion.
 
What are the component and assembly costs to Apple for the added layer in support of the Apple Pencil? What are the improvements in manufacturing yields? What is the impact to the overall weight does the Apple Pencil support?

Until that information is released, your opinion of a significantly negative impact is just that... opinion.

Are you suggesting adding these new features like, four speakers and pencil support will not add any weight to the Air?
 
For me:

1. Don't use 3D touch - its a gimmick

2. Don't need apple pencil - absolutely like an apple watch, I don't need it.

I didn't need to comment on this post but there are people like me who give 0 to apple pencil and 3D touch

Perhaps you just don't like to change the way you use your phone, but 3D touch is anything but a gimmick. It really adds to the experience. The cursor positioning on the keyboard is alone worth it, multitasking is great (I prefer it to the home button) and some of the apps have genuine useful shortcuts. It's just great, I get that you don't use it but, again, not a gimmick.

As for the pencil, without it the Pro is just a bigger iPad. It's not just a useful tool - it's a game changer, especially for creatives.

You don't have to use or need any of these things, but, you know - I'm sure some people said the same thing for first color TVs or mobile phones. You can't blame the rest of us for being interested in the potential of new technologies.
 
In addition to that, adding Pencil support for the Air means more people with the option to buy the Pencil which in turn gives developers more incentive to write new apps/update existing apps to support the Pencil.

So in that sense, adding the Pencil to the Air further supports the Pro.



I have taken notes and still do. There are bluetooth styli for the non-Pro iPad that work just fine for taking notes including support for palm rejection. Same goes for drawing. There ARE styli out there beyond the $0.99 rubber or foam tips models. ;)

As I said previously, without a doubt the Apple Pencil is above and beyond those alternatives, but to make it sound like there were no viable options prior to the Pencil is not quite correct.


I know about those Bluetooth styluses and I used many of them on my Air I tried various Adonit Styluses and also others, for me taking notes of my classes at the speed required was not possible maybe you have a skill and where able to but with the new iPad plus the pencil expierence is completely different and much closer to writing on a paper, with old iPads at least for me it wasn't even close
 
Perhaps you just don't like to change the way you use your phone, but 3D touch is anything but a gimmick. It really adds to the experience. The cursor positioning on the keyboard is alone worth it, multitasking is great (I prefer it to the home button) and some of the apps have genuine useful shortcuts. It's just great, I get that you don't use it but, again, not a gimmick.

But the point is, on a bigger screen than the iPhone is it a useable thing? is it convenient and possible with the same ease to use it on iPad Air as on an iPhone !
 
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