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Well, I wasnt' really PREACHING about anything, I was just engaging in some light recreational banter centering around topics relating to a hobby of mine, for entertainment purposes. Good times.
I have a hard time believing I'm entering a debate populated with Apple-hating trolls... but I do have to add this particular 2 cents:
I have Lion on two Macs and I have TRIED very hard to like it. In fact I DO like it except for this:
Save as...
WTF? Apple has removed "Save as..." from my workflow? Seriously? There are many, many times when it is critical to the work that I do that I open one document, do a "Save as..." to another file name, edit the file and save. Very clean, very coherent workflow. Some idiots in Apple's OS design group think they know better how to handle my workflow. Sorry. They don't. I write a proposal for customer A. I want to use that as boilerplate for a proposal for customer B. This is NOT a revision to the customer A document. This is a new document that happens to be based on the old one. You know. Just like "Save as..." lets you do. Now I have to duplicate the file in the Finder and rename it. Lots more work.
It's as if Apple hired UI design monkeys from Redmond.
I have Lion on two Macs and I have TRIED very hard to like it. In fact I DO like it except for this:
Save as...
WTF? Apple has removed "Save as..." from my workflow? Seriously? There are many, many times when it is critical to the work that I do that I open one document, do a "Save as..." to another file name, edit the file and save. Very clean, very coherent workflow. Some idiots in Apple's OS design group think they know better how to handle my workflow. Sorry. They don't. I write a proposal for customer A. I want to use that as boilerplate for a proposal for customer B. This is NOT a revision to the customer A document. This is a new document that happens to be based on the old one. You know. Just like "Save as..." lets you do. Now I have to duplicate the file in the Finder and rename it. Lots more work.
It's as if Apple hired UI design monkeys from Redmond.
They replaced it with Duplicate. If you're using it as a boilerplate, then it makes much more sense from a UX perspective to duplicate the document rather than saving as. From a strictly UX point of view, save as implies the same document under a different name; duplicate is a document duplicated to make changes.
EDIT: And where did I say I hate Apple? Jesus christ, it's like every comment that's in any way shape or form argumentative labels someone as hating something.
This has got to be one of the most shamefully arrogantly stupid remarks I've heard or read in a while; made worse by the search tools at your disposal to learn that you are so wrong.
I have made every effort to ay this as politely as possible without dimishing your arrogantly misbased writings, you aren't just "wrong",
you have absolutely, utterly no clue as to what you're blabbering about;
or how Lion's silly UI changes have impacted serious workflows in such a negative manner.
You have a great deal of googling to do, you have so much to read & learn; please don't come back & insult our intelligence once more before you have thoroughly researched the subject in depth;
& make sure you at least grasp the basics this time.
First, I didn't mention you personally at all. If you want to put up your hand and respond, that's on you. What are you saying, exactly, since this must all be about you? You ARE a troll but you don't hate Apple? I, for one, am tickled pink that you clarified that. My point was that the tone of this thread is amazingly negative -- so negative that I ordinarily wouldn't jump into the fray. But I did. And that's on me.
Which is how we get to this: I'm overjoyed to have finally run into someone who is not only better able to judge my user experience than I am, but is evidently such a user experience guru that they feel compelled to make up acronyms for it. UX. Wow. I feel downright edificated. The time I spent at the Media Lab now seems such a waste.
UX is the general acronym you use for User Experience. See how there's a U and an X in there? I know, crazy right? How these acronym things work.
Let's try a google search for UX: https://www.google.com/#hl=en&outpu....,cf.osb&fp=f815fca10acce4f2&biw=1755&bih=848
What? All the links are about user experience? How downright amazing that I actually know what I'm talking about and didn't just randomly pull an acrony out my ass. I know, this is probably a shock to you, that someone you disagree with actually might be right.
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How the **** am I wrong? Please, enlighten me. I've given you a UX designer's point of view, that when you duplicate something, you are creating, get this, a duplicate of it, and that when you are using save as you are, and I know, this might be crazy, saving it as a different name.
I'm not talking about your workflow where you can't manage to press duplicate before you start a new document, I'm talking about the perspective from someone who is looking at is from a "what is this user trying to accomplish" point of view.
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The above post sums up your behaviour:
you have absolutely no clue of what you're blabbering about;
you have a whole lot of googling & reading to do before you can come back & comment on this thread; the explanantion & info is out there for you to read, & no………I am not going to babysit you, do the googling by yourself.
The fact that you actually had the cheek to come back blabbering the same misbased stuff without bothering to at least read upon the subject is a gross lack of respect on your part.
A hint, even though you don't deserve it:
File⎯>Duplicate is not equal to File⎯.Save as, it complicates workflows needlessly………read about it before you post any more gibberish in this thread.
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Me said:
https://www.macrumors.com/2012/07/07/apple-pulls-products-from-environmental-epeat-registry/
You'll not be recycling any Retina Pros in the near or long-term future. Like I said.
This is the one my dad has. Can this take 10.6. Came with 10.7.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/app...8-13-late-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html
And will it take 10.8 when it comes out retail if we decide to try it.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/app...8-13-late-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html
And will it take 10.8 when it comes out retail if we decide to try it.
True that brother or sister. I've been using Macs since the ole' B/W compact days and have up to now watched Macs go from black and white to pretty flowing colors back to colorless gray.
I downloaded the 30 day trial of FCPX and for the life of me cannot figure anything out, I've tried looking at it with a fresh new perspective but still can't do much of anything. Time to look into Avid or that new fancy version of Premier that had a former FCP director or programmer guy work on.
A couple decades of instinctive Command (Apple) + S or Command (Apple) + Shift + Save is pretty damn hard to unlearn.
Wow, I stumbled upon this thread actually looking for away to downgrade my brand new MBP to SL...for the same reasons mentioned.
Reading the counter argument has been interesting to say the least. I liken it to a person telling me that everyone should be able to believe how they want, but if they don't agree that, they are wrong.
The workflow in lion, from a straight movement, mouse clicks, gestures, is simple worse. No argument Apple is catering to the masses; however, the frustration comes when they pull something out, that from a straight programing perspective and/or increase of support calls is not needed.
Microsoft when they made the change to the ribbon interface, was hit with a huge outcry from power users of MS Excel, myself being one of them. But one of there reasons for change was because of the number of calls regarding difficulty with the tool bars...disappearing, etc.
I just can't see a reason to pull out something or removing at least the option to view "all windows", especially minimized ones. The programing would have taken longer overall, but the initial code design was already in place.
I can see at least one point of view for dumbing down the interface and removing the "Save as...", it has the possibility of confusing people...but at what point are you dumbing down things to much.
I purchase a MBP to do real work...not just as a large folding iPad.
Regarding spaces...what can I say, I think they tried to fix something that wasn't broken and the argument that people never used it is silly...as if those same people that never used spaces are all of a sudden going to use Mission Controller and those desktops...for crying out loud it's harder then spaces...
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Reading the counter argument has been interesting to say the least. I liken it to a person telling me that everyone should be able to believe how they want, but if they don't agree that, they are wrong.
The workflow in lion, from a straight movement, mouse clicks, gestures, is simple worse. No argument Apple is catering to the masses; however, the frustration comes when they pull something out, that from a straight programing perspective and/or increase of support calls is not needed.
Microsoft when they made the change to the ribbon interface, was hit with a huge outcry from power users of MS Excel, myself being one of them. But one of there reasons for change was because of the number of calls regarding difficulty with the tool bars...disappearing, etc.
I just can't see a reason to pull out something or removing at least the option to view "all windows", especially minimized ones. The programing would have taken longer overall, but the initial code design was already in place.
I can see at least one point of view for dumbing down the interface and removing the "Save as...", it has the possibility of confusing people...but at what point are you dumbing down things to much.
I purchase a MBP to do real work...not just as a large folding iPad.
Regarding spaces...what can I say, I think they tried to fix something that wasn't broken and the argument that people never used it is silly...as if those same people that never used spaces are all of a sudden going to use Mission Controller and those desktops...for crying out loud it's harder then spaces...
Doc
My late 2011 15" MBP takes 10.6 no problem, so it is worth trying. You can search for how to do it on this forum and elsewhere. It will definitely take 10.8.
Halfway down the first page, I couldn't contain myself from laughing seeing you bunch of people lambasting each other.
There is a single, elegant solution for rMBP users who want SL.
Just buy VMware Fusion 5, install SL server (get a torrent) and enable retina support in VM options.
Simple as that.
There is a single, elegant solution for rMBP users who want SL.
Just buy VMware Fusion 5, install SL server (get a torrent) and enable retina support in VM options.
Simple as that.