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ouat789

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Rumors suggest that...
"iOS 18 will bring the company's new LLM to millions of existing devices by using cloud-based AI, while new on-device AI features will likely remain exclusive to the iPhone 16." (MacRumors article)

If new on-device AI features require an upgraded A-series chip (A18), this sounds to me like they could also require an upgraded M-series chip (M4).

Do you think that after we finally get a new design and displays, the new iPad Pros will miss out on such a crucial upgrade?
 

chabig

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Nobody knows. But suppose the on-device AI does require the A18 chip, iPads don't have A18s and there is no M4 yet, so come to your own conclusion. I say yes, the new (Spring '24) iPads won't have what it takes to support an on-device LLM.
 
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erikkfi

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It seems like this would be a weird limitation for a brand-new top-level device that’s likely to be on sale for a year if not longer. I doubt they’ll draw the line at M4 but may indeed require A18 in an iPhone.
 
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JPack

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In general, Apple lags behind the AI stuff. This will be Apple's first major attempt. While M2 to M3 only improved neural engine slightly, I doubt iPad OS 18 will be too hardware dependent
 

Clamjuice65

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Does the Galaxy Tablet have AI support ?. lets wait and see what apple has to offer us
 

EtherealMAC

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I think the 8GB of ram would be more limiting than the actual M3, or M2 even in the case of the new iPad Airs. The reason being that generative AI and LLMs and such are much more dependent on neural engines and GPU cores, not CPU cores. If you compare an A17 with an M2, technically speaking and in theory, the M2 is vastly superior on those two departments.

In fact, if u look how the latest AAA iOS/iPadOS games ( namely, RE and Death Stranding) run ion a A17 vs on a M1 iPad, the M1 is still superior. What does a gaming comparison have to do with in-device AI you ask? Well because AI, just like gamibg, depends a lot on GPU cores, so if A18 will be able run AI tasks that the A17 can't , it is reasonable to assume that the M1 might be able to run those too at a similar performance, meaning M2 and M3 will be better at it than the A18.

Which leaves the question of RAM . For you to run smoothly "your own GPT" in say, a modern Mac, an M2 and M3 are pretty ok actually, but the more ram you get the better. We are talking of about 24 GB)m minimum , (better 32) . I doubt they'll put more than 8GB on the base versions of the 2024 iPad and iPhones. Which leads me to believe that most AI features on them are not gonna be ran by the SoC in itself; it would be instead get to offloaded to Apple Servers.

We'll see.
 

Macalway

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You just need to plan to trade-in or sell you stuff if you need to, like with new features that you want.

Apple has great resell value. Almost like future proofing. Anyway, AI is wait and see as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Rafterman

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Honestly I could care less about AI. Its actually not true AI. Companies want you to think it is, but its not, AI is still just computers and software that are wrong a lot of the time. AI might handle repetitive tasks, write you some code, and write a simple proposal or term paper. But anything that requires true thinking - its just better software than we are used to right now.
 
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Macalway

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Well I for one am very grateful for AI. Just the idea of It is creating huge wealth in markets, just to take it away with a bubble.
 
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max2

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Honestly I could care less about AI. Its actually not true AI. Companies want you to think it is, but its not, AI is still just computers and software that are wrong a lot of the time. AI might handle repetitive tasks, write you some code, and write a simple proposal or term paper. But anything that requires true thinking - its just better software than we are used to right now.

Yep i agree.
 
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Royksöpp

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Historically speaking, iPads are never introduced with new features built into the OS. It always comes later like iOS 11 and iPadOS 16. Anything introduced at WWDC is pretty much guaranteed to run on the M3. It’s everything before that is at risk of being left behind. There has to be some kind of software differentiator between the Air and Pro.
 
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