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The Pencil was tethered to the iPad Pro. If it was unpaired somebody did that intentionally, not to use it on another iPad. But honestly, if that's what has to happen, it's going to frustrate potential customers.

I plan on getting a new iPad when it supports the Pencil, specifically for the Pencil, so I'll be able to properly demo it for my friends. The pro is cool, but it's too big for my needs.

However, Apple should treat the Pencil more like the Watch, and make appointments to demonstrate it, if this kind of thing is going to happen.

Odd thing though, I was in the Sherman Oaks store which is kind of small, and I don't remember seeing an Watch display anywhere. I must have just missed it somehow, because that's just not possible?

it could also have run out of battery.

you can't really "unpair" it deliberately, only drain the battery or pair it to another ipad...

i had a similar problem where the pencil didn't work, plugged it in and boom, "paired" and ready to go :) [edit: note, the apple store staff didn't seem to care either what i was doing or that it didn't work before that]
 
I'm intrigued by the rumor that they will debut a smart-band that has additional sensors or GPS and interfaces through the mysterious "diagnostic" side port. Then again why would Apple introduce more sensors when they don't even use all the ones the Apple Watch has already got? Maybe it will be a rugged adventure band that adds GPS, extends battery life, and adds protection and water-proofing by including a full case? Something you could take on a multi-day trip into the back-country without running out of juice? Not that I need ANY of that. I'm just curious.

It seems too soon for Watch OS3, but I wouldn't be surprised if they announce some new features available in an OS update.

I would buy this. Sounds awesome. Or just be able to run a marathon in with constant gps and heart rate without a phone.
 
Disagree.

I'll stick at $179 and we'll see what happens.

You want to bet, if Apple come out with Apple band $179 or lower cost, with same function as you indicated this year, I will buy you one, if not, you give me $179?

Added: I am welling to put money on my prediction, no $179 Apple Band this year, are you welling?
 
I'm I the only one who kinda doesn't care? I update my iPhone every couple of years (I may start increasing that frequency,) but my laptops and iPads last longer, and I can see my Watch lasting longer than all of them before upgrading, since it's a device that's kind of meant to be in the background. Speed and performance enhancements would be nice, but, the way I use the Watch, performance doesn't really hold me back enough to warrant an upgrade anytime soon...famous last words.

Either way, I think the strongest rumor is the "S" version of the Watch coming this Fall. I mean, much of the international community has only had the current watch for a few months. It seems early for another version already.
 
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I mean, much of the international community has only had the current watch for a few months. It seems early for another version already.

That doesn't stop the iPhone from updating annually. Some territories don't get the new iPhone for months after it's introduced. And that's a well-oiled machine. The Watch release was a complete cluster ... This gives Apple the ability to discount the original Watch in territories where it's already available and get the 2nd Gen watch rolled out faster this time, with the net effect of getting more product into more hands faster.
 
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That doesn't stop the iPhone from updating annually. Some territories don't get the new iPhone for months after it's introduced. And that's a well-oiled machine. The Watch release was a complete cluster ... This gives Apple the ability to discount the original Watch in territories where it's already available and get the 2nd Gen watch rolled out faster this time, with the net effect of getting more product into more hands faster.

True, but it's had to compare them. The Watch rolled out in less than a dozen countries at launch and is available in far fewer countries than the iPhone. The rumors have been pointing to no new Watch announced next month, and it wouldn't surprise me.
 
My guess is no Watch 2. But there will be a new Apple wearable in the "fitness band" category.

It will be called Band:
  • $179 price point to tempt new buyers into Apple's "wearable" ecosystem.
  • Band will be bought by many existing* Apple Watch owners so they have something less bulky to wear to the gym, while swimming or sleeping (while their big Watch is charging)
  • Band will provide robust, built-in applications: Heart rate monitor, activity tracking, sleep tracking, notifications, bluetooth music and/or siri remote. Maybe even Pay - so you can buy your protein shake after the gym? In short, enough built-in utility to compete with all the established bands.
  • Smaller (possibly monochrome) screen.
  • Pared-down UI.
  • Rugged, durable Fitbit/Up sort-of finish.
Much the same approach as the classic iPod line: A price point for everyone.


* Is this why iOS 9.3 supports pairing with multiple "Watches"? Same as how iTunes supports syncing with multiple iPods.

That's very interesting. I was thinking that they would be releasing a new band with extra functionality, perhaps in collaboration with NIKE (to replace their Fuel band), that focused more on fitness and health.
 
I also don't expect a 2:nd Gen Apple Watch announcment as many do here. Hopefully we'll see more Hermes-like co-operation to create exclusive band/interface for the Watch :)
 
If Apple doesn't introduce something besides a 4" iPhone upgrade for the budget model 5s, some new watch bands, and a processor upgrade for a Mac, then it's going to be a banner day for the competition.

I fully expect Watch 2 to be introduced to make this an "event" along with new bands, and new partnerships for the Gen 2 watch. And instead of a $179 band, we will get a $250/300 Gen 1 watch price reduction, and a Watch OS update.

That will help Apple expand their watch sales with the same tactic that grew their iPhone experience for budget minded customers. If nothing else, the Gen 1 watch is iconic in design, and for $100 less, a bargain. Though I expect they will limit it to the Sport, and maybe one or two basic stainless models, though all the bands will still be available for purchase separately.

On the other hand, if Apple has some other announcement up its sleeve, then they won't need the 2nd Gen watch.
Don't see Gen 2 coming this soon. The watch is something very different then anything Apple have done before. They just now finishing releasing the AW in other countries. I don't think they want to release another model right on the heels of s global launch of the AW.

New bands, iPad, and small iPhone. That is what this even will be.
 
Don't see Gen 2 coming this soon. The watch is something very different then anything Apple have done before. They just now finishing releasing the AW in other countries. I don't think they want to release another model right on the heels of s global launch of the AW.

New bands, iPad, and small iPhone. That is what this even will be.

If so -- YAWN. The competition will love such a lackluster event.

Not that I can't see it going exactly as you suggest, especially lately with Apple, but I just think it would be sad.

Here's the main reason it doesn't matter about the late watch rollout in other countries -- the Watch was prematurely released. They tried to hit a September 2014 target, then pushed it 8 months because it wasn't ready. The software is just now starting to reach point where it's realizing its promise and now many are finding the hardware specs just aren't up to par to handle it, making improvements to the software even more difficult as they further overtax the hardware.

Then there's the sales. Good, yes, but not what Apple or Wall Street was hoping for. Adoption has been quite slow. So Apple can continue to roll out the same old watch that is running out of steam in the industrialized countries (the only ones that matter really for such a fashion accessory, and all of which got it around the same time), just so they can get all the milage they can out of it in the remaining territories; OR, they can release a new watch with better hardware, better able to keep up with the demands of the proper software, and offer a more appealing user experience. The benefits are obvious, more hype, more sales, better experience and reviews, especially if they address even one of the previous watch's criticisms, and the ability to continue to offer the first gen watch at a lower price, thus moving more potential customers off the fence one way or the other. The reality is, the watch has been available online to many of those countries which only recently got it in stores. So it's not like it hasn't been available to those who wanted it.

And you say it's unlike other Apple products, which you assume means they will update less frequently. And I see it just the opposite -- Apple's emphasis on fashion and choice with the product suggest they might seek to update it even more frequently. Fashion is seasonal and very fickle. Last years designs can become dated and stale faster than yesterday's toast. It's hard to imagine Apple investing into the fashion industry with new hires, and partnerships without taking that business seriously. If nothing else Apple will want to stoke the fires and keep the industry talking about the watch, and that's just not going to happen with new watch bands every 6 months, any more than a manufacturer could keep selling the exact same dress design in different colors and fabrics every 6 months.

So for me, I see a lot of reasons for Apple to update the watch a year later, rather than to put it off to see how much more money they can make in a few late-to-market territories, especially if it isn't selling that well to begin with. But it doesn't mean you won't be right in the end.
 
If so -- YAWN. The competition will love such a lackluster event.

Not that I can't see it going exactly as you suggest, especially lately with Apple, but I just think it would be sad.

Here's the main reason it doesn't matter about the late watch rollout in other countries -- the Watch was prematurely released. They tried to hit a September 2014 target, then pushed it 8 months because it wasn't ready. The software is just now starting to reach point where it's realizing its promise and now many are finding the hardware specs just aren't up to par to handle it, making improvements to the software even more difficult as they further overtax the hardware.

Then there's the sales. Good, yes, but not what Apple or Wall Street was hoping for. Adoption has been quite slow. So Apple can continue to roll out the same old watch that is running out of steam in the industrialized countries (the only ones that matter really for such a fashion accessory, and all of which got it around the same time), just so they can get all the milage they can out of it in the remaining territories; OR, they can release a new watch with better hardware, better able to keep up with the demands of the proper software, and offer a more appealing user experience. The benefits are obvious, more hype, more sales, better experience and reviews, especially if they address even one of the previous watch's criticisms, and the ability to continue to offer the first gen watch at a lower price, thus moving more potential customers off the fence one way or the other. The reality is, the watch has been available online to many of those countries which only recently got it in stores. So it's not like it hasn't been available to those who wanted it.

And you say it's unlike other Apple products, which you assume means they will update less frequently. And I see it just the opposite -- Apple's emphasis on fashion and choice with the product suggest they might seek to update it even more frequently. Fashion is seasonal and very fickle. Last years designs can become dated and stale faster than yesterday's toast. It's hard to imagine Apple investing into the fashion industry with new hires, and partnerships without taking that business seriously. If nothing else Apple will want to stoke the fires and keep the industry talking about the watch, and that's just not going to happen with new watch bands every 6 months, any more than a manufacturer could keep selling the exact same dress design in different colors and fabrics every 6 months.

So for me, I see a lot of reasons for Apple to update the watch a year later, rather than to put it off to see how much more money they can make in a few late-to-market territories, especially if it isn't selling that well to begin with. But it doesn't mean you won't be right in the end.
So what's the competition that should have Apple worried? What is going to just kill I sales because Apple does not release gen 2? Nothing there is nothing that has come close to the success of the AW.

How is the software taxing the hardware that much? My AW runs just fine. Sure the apps can be slow to open, but is that down to the hardware? It could be software, and app developers just now getting watch apps. I don't see this huge need for new hardware on the Apple Watch. Nothing is running curls around it right now. What are they going to upgrade to? What's out there that is going to make the AW so much better?

The expectations of the AW were way off as Apple and Wall Street are finding out. Smart watches are never going to be as big as people think they will. This is a much more niche market then a tablet or smartphone. Gen 2 is not going to change that. What is gen 2 going to offer that is going to bring watch users to it?

This is were I think you are completely wrong. Apple is going after high end fashion watches. They are selling watches that are $350 plus. This is not your $50-$200 seasonal watch. People that spend $350-$1500 on a watch are not buying a new watch ever season. Plus is the Apple Watch seasonal? No it's going to pretty much look the same. The fashion is in the band. That is what Apple is going to release seasonally.

I don't think you understand the watch market. Sure android wear can release new watches every year because most of them are cheaper then the cheapest AW. Apple is trying to sell a high end watch. They can't do that and upgrade it every year. They are going to completely miss it if they do. People that spend $600 on a watch are not looking to upgrade on a yearly bases. I know I am not.
 
Because I don't feel like editing a small quote from such a huge post…

About the "Watch wasn't ready for a planned Sep 2014 release" nonsense --

Wasn't the AW required to receive FCC approval? And, just like with the original iPhone, the submission of specifications to the FCC would put its information in the public realm?

And, again, if any news of the AW had leaked prior to the reveal, copycat manufacturers would have rapidly spawned their own ripoffs of the AW, right?

These "delay" rumors about Apple products are, in the most polite terms, utterly bogus. Point me to the Apple engineer who violated his or her NDA.
 
So what's the competition that should have Apple worried? What is going to just kill I sales because Apple does not release gen 2? Nothing there is nothing that has come close to the success of the AW.

There doesn't have to be direct competition on a specific product for Apple's competition to make use of a weak Apple event.

How is the software taxing the hardware that much? My AW runs just fine. Sure the apps can be slow to open, but is that down to the hardware? It could be software, and app developers just now getting watch apps. I don't see this huge need for new hardware on the Apple Watch. Nothing is running curls around it right now. What are they going to upgrade to? What's out there that is going to make the AW so much better?

I'm not going to debate with you your own anecdotal experience. There are plenty of complaints about the speed of the Watch. It could be anything, regardless internal speed bumps are not out of the question to make the experience better. You've also seemingly made up your mind. If you can't imagine ANYTHING that could make the watch better, then I'm not going to start debating it with you now.

The expectations of the AW were way off as Apple and Wall Street are finding out. Smart watches are never going to be as big as people think they will. This is a much more niche market then a tablet or smartphone. Gen 2 is not going to change that. What is gen 2 going to offer that is going to bring watch users to it?

When aren't they off? Doesn't change anything, and doesn't mean Apple should just do nothing. New is always better in tech and fashion. Again, you seem to have made up your mind about this, so I'm not going to debate all the potential improvements that might draw future customers, as they have been debated endlessly throughout this forum, especially since better battery performance alone is pretty much the only counter-argument I need to present here.

This is were I think you are completely wrong. Apple is going after high end fashion watches. They are selling watches that are $350 plus. This is not your $50-$200 seasonal watch. People that spend $350-$1500 on a watch are not buying a new watch ever season. Plus is the Apple Watch seasonal? No it's going to pretty much look the same. The fashion is in the band. That is what Apple is going to release seasonally.

Well you're entitled to your opinion. However, Apple likely sold a majority of their watches over the holidays in sales that regularly discounted Sport models by $100. Moreover, I'm not suggesting all of Apple's customers would be upgrading their watch for fashion reasons alone. But offering new watch bands is pretty foolish as the competition is improving hardware performance every year.

I don't think you understand the watch market. Sure android wear can release new watches every year because most of them are cheaper then the cheapest AW. Apple is trying to sell a high end watch. They can't do that and upgrade it every year. They are going to completely miss it if they do. People that spend $600 on a watch are not looking to upgrade on a yearly bases. I know I am not.

Traditional watch makers offer new watches every season that sell for much more than the Watch. And you can't base how Apple treats the market based on what you personally would do. Apple may have pretty much sold as many Watches as they are going to for the current crowd of interested customers, and many of those at deep holiday sales discounts. So for starters, just because you don't personally plan on buying another $600 watch anytime soon, doesn't mean your wealthier neighbor isn't. Where is the incentive to buy another Watch if they don't offer something new? What if the Gen 2 watch comes with GPS? There's a whole category of people who will suddenly be interested in the watch who weren't. And what about the guy who bought the gen 1 watch, but would have liked GPS, who now has a reason to upgrade? Then there are those people who do buy multiple watches to alternate, but don't see the need to buy multiple 1 Gen watches, but would see the benefit of upgrading to a 2nd gen watch.

Now back to Apple's current sales ... once a product plateaus, they can continue to trickle out sales, but the reality may be all the people who were interested have bough the watch as it is, and everyone else has evaluated it and moved on. So the only way to get those people to come back and re-consider the watch is to introduce improvements. I suppose you could argue that a snappy new band is enough to do it, but I have my doubts. New partnerships with the likes of Hermes may spark some renewed interest, but that's all lipstick on a pig which does nothing to update the look of a product that's been in the public eye for over 18 months. There are substantial critics of the look of the watch, and in the fashion world, that's enough for Apple to come up with something else before this one gets too long in the tooth. If all Apple offers is minor cosmetic improvements with nothing new under the hood, that's more than enough of an opening for the competition to launch something seriously competitive in the space.
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Because I don't feel like editing a small quote from such a huge post…

About the "Watch wasn't ready for a planned Sep 2014 release" nonsense --

Wasn't the AW required to receive FCC approval? And, just like with the original iPhone, the submission of specifications to the FCC would put its information in the public realm?

And, again, if any news of the AW had leaked prior to the reveal, copycat manufacturers would have rapidly spawned their own ripoffs of the AW, right?

These "delay" rumors about Apple products are, in the most polite terms, utterly bogus. Point me to the Apple engineer who violated his or her NDA.

Apple introduced the Apple Watch with three watch faces that did not appear in the production model. Those watch faces didn't show up until a year after they were unveiled to the pubic -- and they were customizable faces that customers were clamoring for to boot. How else do you explain that other than the watch was released prematurely?

Moreover, How does April make more sense than a Fall release? If Apple needed FCC approval, and I don't know that they did, 3 months is all they needed at the most, which means they could have started selling the watches in November, just in time for Christmas. Now that makes a whole lot more sense for such a watch, than April.

But this is all my opinion, since I obviously don't have any facts to back it up. But I"m eager to read your factual information that the Watch was planned for an April release all along, and just needed 8 months to go through the FCC hurtles for approval.
 
There doesn't have to be direct competition on a specific product for Apple's competition to make use of a weak Apple event.

You are saying an even with a new iPad and new iPhone are weak? Since when is that the case? Is this because you want a new AW? Apple does not need the Apple Watch to make this event.


I'm not going to debate with you your own anecdotal experience. There are plenty of complaints about the speed of the Watch. It could be anything, regardless internal speed bumps are not out of the question to make the experience better. You've also seemingly made up your mind. If you can't imagine ANYTHING that could make the watch better, then I'm not going to start debating it with you now.

Sure the speed could be better. Sure Apple could update the internals, but only after a year of a new product that Apple has little experience in. Like I said before, the watch industry is something much different then the smartphone and tablet market. Look at tablets. The market for them has dropped a ton over the last 2 years. People are keeping the devices for several years. Like a tablet, you don't need a new watch every year.


When aren't they off? Doesn't change anything, and doesn't mean Apple should just do nothing. New is always better in tech and fashion. Again, you seem to have made up your mind about this, so I'm not going to debate all the potential improvements that might draw future customers, as they have been debated endlessly throughout this forum, especially since better battery performance alone is pretty much the only counter-argument I need to present here.


Sure new is good, but like I have said watches are different. People that have not bought AW won't just jump on a new AW. This is a very new market, but just because Android wear needs new watches every year does not mean Apple needs new watches. New for the sake of new does no good.

Well you're entitled to your opinion. However, Apple likely sold a majority of their watches over the holidays in sales that regularly discounted Sport models by $100. Moreover, I'm not suggesting all of Apple's customers would be upgrading their watch for fashion reasons alone. But offering new watch bands is pretty foolish as the competition is improving hardware performance every year.

Traditional watch makers offer new watches every season that sell for much more than the Watch. And you can't base how Apple treats the market based on what you personally would do. Apple may have pretty much sold as many Watches as they are going to for the current crowd of interested customers, and many of those at deep holiday sales discounts. So for starters, just because you don't personally plan on buying another $600 watch anytime soon, doesn't mean your wealthier neighbor isn't. Where is the incentive to buy another Watch if they don't offer something new? What if the Gen 2 watch comes with GPS? There's a whole category of people who will suddenly be interested in the watch who weren't. And what about the guy who bought the gen 1 watch, but would have liked GPS, who now has a reason to upgrade? Then there are those people who do buy multiple watches to alternate, but don't see the need to buy multiple 1 Gen watches, but would see the benefit of upgrading to a 2nd gen watch.

While I don't disagree about adding new features, and the thought it might draw new customers. There are rumors that are saying Apple might bring bands outs that use the diagnostics port to get things like GPS. I do agree this might bring some new customers, I don't know that it's millions that would require a new watch.

Again we are not talking about a $100 designer watch. We are talking about a $350-$17,000 smart watch. These watch makers like Rolex and Tag sure they make new watches every year, but when someone buys one, they don't upgrade for years. Plus Apple has one product. Rolex does not make a new Submariner every year do they? [/QUOTE]

Now back to Apple's current sales ... once a product plateaus, they can continue to trickle out sales, but the reality may be all the people who were interested have bough the watch as it is, and everyone else has evaluated it and moved on. So the only way to get those people to come back and re-consider the watch is to introduce improvements. I suppose you could argue that a snappy new band is enough to do it, but I have my doubts. New partnerships with the likes of Hermes may spark some renewed interest, but that's all lipstick on a pig which does nothing to update the look of a product that's been in the public eye for over 18 months. There are substantial critics of the look of the watch, and in the fashion world, that's enough for Apple to come up with something else before this one gets too long in the tooth. If all Apple offers is minor cosmetic improvements with nothing new under the hood, that's more than enough of an opening for the competition to launch something seriously competitive in the space.
I think again you are thinking about an iPhone. People want new iPhones every year. Look at the Pebble. They biggest smartphone until the Apple Watch. Well at least sales wise. They did not make a new watch after the steel for like 2 years. That watch was $250. We are talking about $350 at the cheapest.
 
I don't think Apple ever intended for the Watch to become their next sales driver. I wouldn't be shocked if it's on an update schedule closer to the Apple TV, rather than the iPhone.
 
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Traditional watch makers offer new watches every season that sell for much more than the Watch.
Sometimes. Not too often. Everyone's favorite poster boy for expensive watches, Rolex, discontinued one model, the Air King, after I don't know how many years of production (it's older than the GMT) and added colors to their Oyster Perpetual. Big whoop. Hardly new watches.

Moreover, How does April make more sense than a Fall release? If Apple needed FCC approval, and I don't know that they did, 3 months is all they needed at the most, which means they could have started selling the watches in November, just in time for Christmas. Now that makes a whole lot more sense for such a watch, than April.

Since this thread is silly anyway, how about the idea of putting the AW on sale when most people are wearing short sleeves and going outside to jog? We've seen complaints here about trying to use the AW under long sleeves, so wouldn't it be safer to start using it without long sleeves?

And why April instead of November? How about this: Let the early adopter tech geeks buy it and try it, let the developers get a shot at figuring out how they'd use the hardware before the SDK gets released, and by the time the holidays come around, both the geeks and devs have made their efforts when the non-geeky general public buys the AW for their non-geeky family members.

Releasing an immature ecosystem in the thick of holiday season seems like a worse idea.
 
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