iPod touch Will they update the iPod Touch this year?

[smorrissey]

Why anyone who owns an old iPhone is going to love iOS 9
Apple is now baking a core iOS 9 version that will work well on A5 devices before enabling other features on a “one-by-one” basis.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/why-anyone-owns-old-iphone-going-love-ios-174557717.html

So its coming...

LOL i don't know about you guys but all this sounds pretty stupid to me, Is apple gonna compel each developer to create special versions of their apps for older devices? really? or just optimizing the OS is enough? All these sounds pretty weird...

Am i gonna be able to run Mortal Combat X on the ipod touch 5 like new? i don't belive it, my ipad air 2 gets all hot and drain battery 50% when playing for 30 mins.

My battery is gonna hold its charge better on ios9 than ios8? mmmm

What about managing all the new web content since 2011? Will Safari perform magic tricks to handle it?

Why this suddenly interest on reviving old gadgets? Do they have enough money already?

I'll believe it when i see it...

 

[Shirasaki]

Yep I agree with you. The A5 is definetly obsolete these days. I see very few other peoples' 4S's (most have now 5, a 5C, 5S or the 6/6+). Besides by now, most of there batteries are shot (like mine) even though I take good care of it. It's only a matter if time till parts are no longer supported !

I feel at this point, 8.x is the 4S's last update.

From a busesness perspective, killing the 4S is logical.

The 4S is the last iPhone with the 30 prong connector and, the last iPhone with a micro SIM card!

It's probably going to die so, 30 prong connectors become extinct once and for all

However I also say, normal customers don't think so. Although a5 devices are really slow, that doesn't mean they are completely unusable. For people with simple requirements, a8 is a waste. And for those who don't have much money, a5 I think is a decent choice.

 

[oldmacs]

Yep I agree with you. The A5 is definetly obsolete these days. I see very few other peoples' 4S's (most have now 5, a 5C, 5S or the 6/6+). Besides by now, most of there batteries are shot (like mine) even though I take good care of it. It's only a matter if time till parts are no longer supported !

I feel at this point, 8.x is the 4S's last update.

From a busesness perspective, killing the 4S is logical.

The 4S is the last iPhone with the 30 prong connector and, the last iPhone with a micro SIM card!

It's probably going to die so, 30 prong connectors become extinct once and for all

Why then is the 4S coming up in logs as running iOS 9? A5 devices are definitely not obsolete.

The 4S is pretty much certain to get it, if the Touch 5 does. All the latest rumours have suggested that Apple is optimising a build of iOS 9 for A5 devices.

It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective actually. Around 15-20 percent of iPhones in use at the moment are 4S's. That is a lot of devices. Also most people on a 4S are on it, because they can't afford something newer. When their device becomes unusable in terms of poor security + no app support guess what they'll do ? Go to a competitor. Budget consumers aren't picky with brands when they just need something that works on the cheap. Give them an extra year of support and thats possibly an extra year of people being in the ecosystem, and it might just convince them to buy another iPhone.

----------

Why anyone who owns an old iPhone is going to love iOS 9
Apple is now baking a core iOS 9 version that will work well on A5 devices before enabling other features on a “one-by-one” basis.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/why-anyone-owns-old-iphone-going-love-ios-174557717.html

So its coming...

LOL i don't know about you guys but all this sounds pretty stupid to me, Is apple gonna compel each developer to create special versions of their apps for older devices? really? or just optimizing the OS is enough? All these sounds pretty weird...

Am i gonna be able to run Mortal Combat X on the ipod touch 5 like new? i don't belive it, my ipad air 2 gets all hot and drain battery 50% when playing for 30 mins.

My battery is gonna hold its charge better on ios9 than ios8? mmmm

What about managing all the new web content since 2011? Will Safari perform magic tricks to handle it?

Why this suddenly interest on reviving old gadgets? Do they have enough money already?

I'll believe it when i see it...

We get you can't cope with your A5 device, but many of us can. Around half of the current iPad users can, seeing as over half of the iPads in use are A5. Thus any sort of improvements are welcome.

We're talking general improvements to stability and responsiveness and app opening times here, not making them new again. Your battery has nothing to do with software either. I just don't know how this can be spun as a negative a customer's perspective. Go and buy a new device if you can't deal with an A5 device and leave those who are happy to enjoy another year of support.

I'd say the reason Apple is doing this as a huge number of their customers are on these devices, and many of them are recent purchases. Dropping devices that were purchased 1-2 years ago is not a good way to maintain customer satisfaction. Why would people continue buying Apple if they could buy something for under half the price and get better or equal software support.

Of course businesses are about making money, however if you don't keep customers happy you don't make money.

 

[smorrissey]

We get you can't cope with your A5 device, but many of us can. Around half of the current iPad users can, seeing as over half of the iPads in use are A5. Thus any sort of improvements are welcome.

We're talking general improvements to stability and responsiveness and app opening times here, not making them new again. Your battery has nothing to do with software either. I just don't know how this can be spun as a negative a customer's perspective. Go and buy a new device if you can't deal with an A5 device and leave those who are happy to enjoy another year of support.

I'd say the reason Apple is doing this as a huge number of their customers are on these devices, and many of them are recent purchases. Dropping devices that were purchased 1-2 years ago is not a good way to maintain customer satisfaction. Why would people continue buying Apple if they could buy something for under half the price and get better or equal software support.

Of course businesses are about making money, however if you don't keep customers happy you don't make money.

I can't cope with it? (i use it and charge it daily) i know i'm using an old device, maybe i can't cope with not having a new ipod touch 6 already.

Many of you? LOL that's pretty much you and perhaps other 2.

Wow now you are ordering me to leave?, that's pretty low of you oldmacs, did you have a bad day mate? Are you having a rant moment?

Go and buy? Sorry i'm not rich but if you send me a brand new iphone 6 i promise not to post on this thread again for your pleasure.

On my last post i didn't quote you, i'm only discussing a topic, why do you get all this personal? do you feel frustrated for buying an ipod touch 5 last week? Sorry mate don't blame me for that. I'm here discussing because i also have an ipod touch 5 pretty much and again i use it daily and i'm interested on how much ios9 is gonna "revitalize" the device.

 

[oldmacs]

I can't cope with it? (i use it and charge it daily) i know i'm using an old device, maybe i can't cope with not having a new ipod touch 6 already.

Many of you? LOL that's pretty much you and other 2.

Wow now you are ordering me to leave?, that's pretty low of you oldmacs, did you have a bad day mate? Are you having a rant moment?

Go and buy? Sorry i'm not rich but if you send me a brand new iphone 6 i promise not to post on this thread again for your pleasure.

On my last post i didn't quote you, i'm only discussing a topic, why do you get all this personal? do you feel frustrated for buying an ipod touch 5 last week? Sorry mate don't blame me for that. I'm here discussing because i also have an ipod touch 5 pretty much and again i use it daily and i'm interested on how much ios9 is gonna "revitalize" the device.

No i just don't know why you're so negative about iOS 9 on the A5....

No one is saying that suddenly your iPod touch will be new again, I'd be saying that performance would be somewhere between iOS 7 and iOS 8.

And yes there are many people who are fine with an A5 device. Namely half of the people who own an iPad, plus a signifiant number of iPhone users.

I don't own an iPod Touch 5, I own an iPad 2. I know plenty who do though, and plenty of people with other A5 devices. Actually nearly all of my friends have at least one A5 device. My family as well. My mother has a 4S and iPad 3 and my father has an iPad 2 as well.

 

[Shirasaki]

Why then is the 4S coming up in logs as running iOS 9? A5 devices are definitely not obsolete.

The 4S is pretty much certain to get it, if the Touch 5 does. All the latest rumours have suggested that Apple is optimising a build of iOS 9 for A5 devices.

It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective actually. Around 15-20 percent of iPhones in use at the moment are 4S's. That is a lot of devices. Also most people on a 4S are on it, because they can't afford something newer. When their device becomes unusable in terms of poor security + no app support guess what they'll do ? Go to a competitor. Budget consumers aren't picky with brands when they just need something that works on the cheap. Give them an extra year of support and thats possibly an extra year of people being in the ecosystem, and it might just convince them to buy another iPhone.

----------



We get you can't cope with your A5 device, but many of us can. Around half of the current iPad users can, seeing as over half of the iPads in use are A5. Thus any sort of improvements are welcome.

We're talking general improvements to stability and responsiveness and app opening times here, not making them new again. Your battery has nothing to do with software either. I just don't know how this can be spun as a negative a customer's perspective. Go and buy a new device if you can't deal with an A5 device and leave those who are happy to enjoy another year of support.

I'd say the reason Apple is doing this as a huge number of their customers are on these devices, and many of them are recent purchases. Dropping devices that were purchased 1-2 years ago is not a good way to maintain customer satisfaction. Why would people continue buying Apple if they could buy something for under half the price and get better or equal software support.

Of course businesses are about making money, however if you don't keep customers happy you don't make money.

Believe me, most customers are not those technology enthusiasts. What they say is only available for a small amount of special customers. In fact even for large companies, if they can spend less and do more, who want to give up this chance? Not all companies can replace their pc, phone, tablet, in a yearly basis. Not all businesses are the brutal timing race.

 

[smorrissey]

No i just don't know why you're so negative about iOS 9 on the A5....

No one is saying that suddenly your iPod touch will be new again, I'd be saying that performance would be somewhere between iOS 7 and iOS 8.

And yes there are many people who are fine with an A5 device. Namely half of the people who own an iPad, plus a signifiant number of iPhone users.

At this point i don't think it's negativity but pretty much lack of understanding.

So their goal is only to give us a performance between ios7 and ios 8? see? i didn't know that.

So they want these devices to last 1 more year, that's nice but what about an ipod touch 6? that's what many of us really want and the main topic on this thread.

Some rumours already:

Apple to Release iPod Touch 6th Gen, iPad Mini 4 in WWDC 2015: 4.7" and 5.5" Variants with 6 Colors Expected

iPod Touch 6th Gen is said to sport a better and faster Apple A9 processor which will run on iOS 9, along with 1 GB of RAM.

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/69357/20150523/apple-release-ipod-touch-6th-gen-ipad-mini-4-wwdc.htm

 

[oldmacs]

At this point i don't think it's negativity but pretty much lack of understanding.

So their goal is only to give us a performance between ios7 and ios 8? see? i didn't know that.

So they want these devices to last 1 more year, that's nice but what about an ipod touch 6? that's what many of us really want and the main topic on this thread.

I don't know that it is their goal for performance specifically, but I would say that would be a feasible target... iOS 8 added some new features that were power sapping but not many, so I'd say the majority of the slow down between iOS 7 and 8 is down to poor optimisation, so a proper attempt at optimisation could improve that, so the only slowdown would be demand from iOS features.

Basically i think they're just aiming to remove any slowness due to sloppy programming..

 

[TRDmanAE86]

Why then is the 4S coming up in logs as running iOS 9? A5 devices are definitely not obsolete.

The 4S is pretty much certain to get it, if the Touch 5 does. All the latest rumours have suggested that Apple is optimising a build of iOS 9 for A5 devices.

It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective actually. Around 15-20 percent of iPhones in use at the moment are 4S's. That is a lot of devices. Also most people on a 4S are on it, because they can't afford something newer. When their device becomes unusable in terms of poor security + no app support guess what they'll do ? Go to a competitor. Budget consumers aren't picky with brands when they just need something that works on the cheap. Give them an extra year of support and thats possibly an extra year of people being in the ecosystem, and it might just convince them to buy another iPhone.

----------

I

We get you can't cope with your A5 device, but many of us can. Around half of the current iPad users can, seeing as over half of the iPads in use are A5. Thus any sort of improvements are welcome.

We're talking general improvements to stability and responsiveness and app opening times here, not making them new again. Your battery has nothing to do with software either. I just don't know how this can be spun as a negative a customer's perspective. Go and buy a new device if you can't deal with an A5 device and leave those who are happy to enjoy another year of support.

I'd say the reason Apple is doing this as a huge number of their customers are on these devices, and many of them are recent purchases. Dropping devices that were purchased 1-2 years ago is not a good way to maintain customer satisfaction. Why would people continue buying Apple if they could buy something for under half the price and get better or equal software support.

Of course businesses are about making money, however if you don't keep customers happy you don't make money.

Wow I stand corrected then.
Maybe the 4S still has some steam left in it.

I also just realized that, our iOS 7 and iOS 8 ("test subjects") 4S's isin't as nimble as my daily driver, a iOS 6 4S (my personal one ) but, it still is reasonable performance wise.


This is the most exited I have been for a WWDC Conference. If they do make a iPod Touch 6th Gen, i'd buy one (just because)

Thanks for the insight OldMacs

 

[oldmacs]

Wow I stand corrected then.
Maybe the 4S still has some steam left in it.

I also just realized that, our iOS 7 and iOS 8 ("test subjects") 4S's isin't as nimble as my daily driver, a iOS 6 4S (my personal one ) but, it still is reasonable performance wise.


This is the most exited I have been for a WWDC Conference. If they do make a iPod Touch 6th Gen, i'd buy one (just because)

Thanks for the insight OldMacs

The 4S won't be as fast but that doesn't mean its a bad phone

Hopefully all the A5 devices have a little life injected into them...

 

[Shirasaki]

The 4S won't be as fast but that doesn't mean its a bad phone

Hopefully all the A5 devices have a little life injected into them...

I am looking forward to see iOS 9 update on the iPad mini first generation.

 

[oldmacs]

I am looking forward to see iOS 9 update on the iPad mini first generation.

I'm looking forward to it on my iPad 2. I can't afford a new iPad this year, so another year of support for my current iPad would be fantastic.

 

[Shirasaki]

I'm looking forward to it on my iPad 2. I can't afford a new iPad this year, so another year of support for my current iPad would be fantastic.

I can't afford to another iPad this year, too. So if iPad mini could run iOS 9 well, I will feel really pleased.

 

[sracer]

Why then is the 4S coming up in logs as running iOS 9? A5 devices are definitely not obsolete.

The 4S is pretty much certain to get it, if the Touch 5 does. All the latest rumours have suggested that Apple is optimising a build of iOS 9 for A5 devices.

It doesn't make much sense from a business perspective actually. Around 15-20 percent of iPhones in use at the moment are 4S's. That is a lot of devices. Also most people on a 4S are on it, because they can't afford something newer. When their device becomes unusable in terms of poor security + no app support guess what they'll do ? Go to a competitor. Budget consumers aren't picky with brands when they just need something that works on the cheap. Give them an extra year of support and thats possibly an extra year of people being in the ecosystem, and it might just convince them to buy another iPhone.

It would not surprise me if some of Apple's internal market & customer analysis has revealed the root cause for slower sales of iPads... and it having to do with downward spiraling of performance with each iOS upgrade.

Basic functions on an iPad 2 running iOS 8 are pretty terrible. And there's no going back to a previous version of iOS to regain the performance. In addition there is a growing perception that Apple's quality is on the decline as is evident by the frequency of iOS updates and the lack of resolution of some longstanding problems.

Apple knows that this kind of erosion of customer satisfaction builds slowly and accelerates more quickly as time goes by. They need to address it while it still "appears" to be minor. If they wait until the dissatisfaction is evident, then it's too late.

For what it's worth, I know many (myself included) who are not looking to buy another iPad specifically because of the declining quality in user experience due to updates. I don't know if we're typical or not, but this sentiment is out there.

I'm waiting to see what Apple does with iOS 9 and a potential iPad Pro.... if they fall short, then my current iPads will be the last ones I buy. I've already got my eye on the Jide Remix Android tablet.

We get you can't cope with your A5 device, but many of us can. Around half of the current iPad users can, seeing as over half of the iPads in use are A5. Thus any sort of improvements are welcome.

We're talking general improvements to stability and responsiveness and app opening times here, not making them new again. Your battery has nothing to do with software either. I just don't know how this can be spun as a negative a customer's perspective. Go and buy a new device if you can't deal with an A5 device and leave those who are happy to enjoy another year of support.

I'd say the reason Apple is doing this as a huge number of their customers are on these devices, and many of them are recent purchases. Dropping devices that were purchased 1-2 years ago is not a good way to maintain customer satisfaction. Why would people continue buying Apple if they could buy something for under half the price and get better or equal software support.

Of course businesses are about making money, however if you don't keep customers happy you don't make money.

I agree. Apple pretty much painted themselves into a corner by continuing to sell the iPad 2 for as long as they have.

 

[ackmondual]

I have family where the Ipad2 is still in use. Passed along to children. One coworker who had an Ipad (or Ipad2? Likely the 1st), and he long switched to some 10" Android tablet since a lot of his apps weren't able to be used on account of not being to run later versions of iOS.

It seems only techie folks care about the latest and greats. For the somewhat tech oriented folks being on the latest version of ios, the latest device, and performance issues is a less sensitive matter.

Me, I'm on IpT5, running ios7.0.4 and am happy so long as I can still play my games. When they start requiring ios8, and an IpT6 is nowhere to be found, I'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. Get what else I can out of the IpT5, or see if there are any Iph that are cheap enough (OFF CONTRACT) to handle ios8 or later.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

I have family where the Ipad2 is still in use. Passed along to children. One coworker who had an Ipad (or Ipad2? Likely the 1st), and he long switched to some 10" Android tablet since a lot of his apps weren't able to be used on account of not being to run later versions of iOS.

It seems only techie folks care about the latest and greats. For the somewhat tech oriented folks being on the latest version of ios, the latest device, and performance issues is a less sensitive matter.

Me, I'm on IpT5, running ios7.0.4 and am happy so long as I can still play my games. When they start requiring ios8, and an IpT6 is nowhere to be found, I'll have to cross that bridge when we get there. Get what else I can out of the IpT5, or see if there are any Iph that are cheap enough (OFF CONTRACT) to handle ios8 or later.

One of my teachers still has her 3GS on iOS 4! Yep it can't run many apps anymore nor recieve iMessage however, it still works!
I agree. With some of my friends, they always have to have the newest iPhone, Newest OS and, then after downloading it complain when the quality is worse ! I also love it when people say to buy a Mac cause, Apple is always better than the compitition!

I just wish overall, the iPod Touch 6th gen is actually good! My newest device is a iPad Air (work provided) which I protect with my life (they are also prone to bending)! Apple has abused there iPod sales a ton.

First by dumming it down and a good opportunity is ruined (imagine if the iPod Touch was marketed with different features than the iPhone! [to set them appart more])

Next, too little of them are made anymore (nor do they promote it). [When was the last time you saw a ad for a iPod Touch?]

Then they hold off the production of the model to the last second and, rush the development stage without thinking things through!

(A 8 GB iPod?)
Nano has radio but, a iPod Touch does not (requires wifi)!

 

[saudor]

yeah my dad uses a 3gs on ios6 and he's completely fine with it. i think it's mostly people on this forum that often cares about having the latest and greatest.

The ipad2 is phenomenal - cant believe it's getting 4-5 years of updates. At this rate, the A6 based devices might even stick around for some time too.

 

[Shirasaki]

yeah my dad uses a 3gs on ios6 and he's completely fine with it. i think it's mostly people on this forum that often cares about having the latest and greatest.

The ipad2 is phenomenal - cant believe it's getting 4-5 years of updates. At this rate, the A6 based devices might even stick around for some time too.

A5 is the first dual core processor apple has designed. And it doubles the performance on iPhone 4s on iOS 4.
A6 does not have much improvements, I think, a9 may feature triple cores, and A13 will feature quad core, or even sooner.

 

[oldmacs]

A5 is the first dual core processor apple has designed. And it doubles the performance on iPhone 4s on iOS 4.
A6 does not have much improvements, I think, a9 may feature triple cores, and A13 will feature quad core, or even sooner.

The A6 was a significant improvement over the A5, especially in the graphics department.

 

[Shirasaki]

The A6 was a significant improvement over the A5, especially in the graphics department.

Oh really? I didn't know that. But, uh, it is still a pure 32bit chip. Rumour says iOS may no longer support 32 bit in 11, or 12? I don't know.

After reading so many rumours, I feel I buy an iPhone 6 Plus is probably a mistake. I should wait until the 6s announced.

 

[TRDmanAE86]

The 4S won't be as fast but that doesn't mean its a bad phone

Hopefully all the A5 devices have a little life injected into them...

Correct. If I downloaded iOS 8 right now, it would not be as fast. Your point is great and, correlates to optimism! At least it won't run at dial up speeds or, have the reliability of the original Mac (the one with overheating problems and, crashed a lot!)

I love my 4S with my heart. It still functions great (I shoulda got the 32gb but, I can live with 16gb. As long as I have a roof over my head, i'll be happy

 

[oldmacs]

Oh really? I didn't know that. But, uh, it is still a pure 32bit chip. Rumour says iOS may no longer support 32 bit in 11, or 12? I don't know.

After reading so many rumours, I feel I buy an iPhone 6 Plus is probably a mistake. I should wait until the 6s announced.

Wait for the 6S. Wait ad see what apple does at WWDC. Right now the A6 devices are some of the best iOS 8 performers as the 64 bit devices still have instability issues.

 

[Shirasaki]

Wait for the 6S. Wait ad see what apple does at WWDC. Right now the A6 devices are some of the best iOS 8 performers as the 64 bit devices still have instability issues.

Yeah. Apple has really bad record on software. Really bad record. I didn't use mac OS X and iOS for too long, but when I used iOS 5.1.1, I didn't remember I encountered much of the crash issue.

However who knows Yosemite is so bad that crushing every hope I have on apple? Even iOS 8.4 beta 3 is more stable than mac OS X.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

 

[ackmondual]

Wait for the 6S. Wait ad see what apple does at WWDC. Right now the A6 devices are some of the best iOS 8 performers as the 64 bit devices still have instability issues.

Can you elaborate on those instability issues? Do they result in more crashing, or apps being terminated?

 

[oldmacs]

Can you elaborate on those instability issues? Do they result in more crashing, or apps being terminated?

I notice a clear difference between vernalised stability on the 5 vs the 5S and the iPad 4 vs Air - random reboots + crashes that don't happen on the A6 devices.

Mail on my iPad 2 never crashes even though thats running a backup I've had since iOS 4, yet a clean install of iOS 8 on the iPad Mini mail and other things crash.

Maybe its not widespread, but I don't think apple has the 64 bit devices running right....