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With the HP firesale what will be the NEW price expectation for Tablets

  • under $200

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • $200 - $299

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • $300 - $399

    Votes: 8 12.5%
  • Standard Apple pricing starting at $499

    Votes: 40 62.5%

  • Total voters
    64
Yes, cheap no name brands that have FAR inferior hardware. I looked at a Archos tablet (household name, isn't it?) and it's viewing angles were terrible and it was all downhill from there.

Now, keep the $199 price tag but put a household brand on it AND cross a minimum level of acceptable quality and you got a winner for ordinary people who want a tablet JUST for surfing the web, facebook, email, and angry birds.

If all the tablets now selling at $399+ went to $199 or lower (while maintaining current quality), they'd make a bigger splash (specifically, I'm looking at Playbook, Transformer, and even the Xoom... They are BAD ipad alternatives at $399 or $499 but they'd be perfectly acceptable at $199).

The garbage that currently sells for $149 or $199 would drop off completely (or sell for $79 or so for the super poor folks or people who want to beat the crap out of them).
 
I think in the short term it hurts Apple (and more so, Android) but in the long term everyone wins as people who would have never bought a tablet in the first place are now more open to it after owning a Touchpad.
 
Will the Samsung Galaxy now be the next firesale target. 20k units sold out of 1million shipped. I say the new entry level price is going to start at $299 for all tablet makers Excluding Apple. Apple is going to up the ante on their offering at the $499 entry level price point thus they will be able to get the $499 without blinking an eye, the others not so much. The only thing the others can truly compete on is price. If the price is right people will buy and long beyond the shortcomings and forget the fact the iPad has little to no shortcomings. Features, advantages and benefits are important but price seems to be the deciding factor on the viability of competing tablets. Just my 2 cents.
 
I'd like to see the price point of tablets below 200. I think we are already seeing downward pressure in regards to prices for tablets. LCD TV prices dropped insanely over the years. I expect the same type of price drops for tablets, with manufacturers consistently being more efficient building the parts such as the screen and internals, the cost will go down and the only way companies will be able to make any meaningful revenue on these things, they will have to sell them in large scale, therefore reducing the price points.

That being said, Apple's price point may stay up there longer. But expect to see a lot of Android devices prices plummet
 
Didn't Steve suggest at some point that if the iPad didn't sell they still had room to lower the price?

No, that is not what he suggested. He always said that Apple gets excellent prices for components because they buy tons and tons of them, so nobody else will be able to produce a tablet with the same quality as an iPad for the same amount of money. This means that anybody who tries to compete with the iPad on price will have very, very slim margins. But in the unlikely case that someone builds a competitive product at a competitive price, Apple has plenty of room of lowering prices and still making a profit.

And that makes for a very, very tough environment for a competitor. They may calculate that they may be able to build a product at a price and quality that makes it competitive with an iPad at the current price and make a little bit of money, but there is always the threat that Apple reduces prices and completely kills their profitability at any time.


Will the Samsung Galaxy now be the next firesale target. 20k units sold out of 1million shipped.

That's what Lenovo said, a day before starting to sell a product that competes with Samsung. That doesn't mean it's true. If you read past the headlines, the consensus is "if Samsung had sold only 20,000 of a million units, we would have heard very loud complaints from the resellers. But we didn't.". It also makes you think: If Samsung sold only 20,000 units, then why on earth would Lenovo be entering the market at all? Do they seriously think they can sell 50 times more than Samsung?


It hurts Apple too. Let's not pretend IPad will remain king when it costs 2x as much as competing tablets by next year.

Let's not pretend that there are any competing tablets at half the price. Or better, let's examine what you mean by competing. Of course someone can build a 7" tablet at a lower price. 7" is cheaper. But it's also a lot smaller. Even the iPad would benefit in use from a larger screen; 7" is to me just unusable. So yes, someone can build a 7" tablet at a lower price, and some will end up under the Christmas tree as a huge disappointment for some children, but they don't compete with the iPad and they won't affect its price. And _if_ 7" tablets were successful, then we all know that Steve Jobs will never change his mind until the day he does, and Apple would sell an iPad mini with 7" screen and wipe out any profits that the competitors have if there was a market worth competing in.

In the 10" market, nobody makes anything that is good enough and cheap enough to sell in meaningful numbers, and definitely nobody manages to make any profit out of it. I doubt there is anyone who sells more tablets than Apple sells refurbished iPad 1s. I wouldn't be totally surprised if Foxconn is still building them somewhere in a small corner of their giant plant. So if you go to an Apple Store and say "but the xyz tablet, even though it may not be quite as good as an iPad 2, it is only $399", then the sales person can say "well, if you want something that is not quite as good as an iPad 2, but that is only $399, why not buy a refurbished iPad for $399, full warranty, and it has an Apple logo on the back". $399 gets you an iPad + 16GB + 3G. That's something they have to beat first.
 
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There are already dozens of tablets under $200, and since no-one here kows their names I'm guessing they make barely a dent in the dent in the dent that Android is making among total tablet sales. These are old processor, small ram, resistive, low res, etc., from China that it appears any company can have made for cheap. Walmart's web site list several. Many brag about "720p" capable and "run any android app" although they app store they come with is one I've never heard of.

My point? You don't want any tablet that actually starts (MSRP) at under $200. No fire sale giveaway can make them any better.

$399 is the perfect starting point for any good 10.1" tablet. Asus is doing well having started there. All the other decent tablets do (relatively) well when market down to there. My guess is that the stable price for a great android tablet will always have to be $100 under Apple's bottom iPad price. The iPad singularity is the iPad's worse competition, as not everyone can afford one. Once those who can afford then have them, Apple has nothing to sell to the rest. At least with iPods Apple could sell you a Nano or Shuffle when you couldn't afford a Touch.
 
I'm sure Apple really wanted to sell the baseline 16GB WiFi iPad for at least $599-$699.
They know what the total production costs are, so they priced it, at the minimum, so they can still make a profit($499).
They knew, that if any rivals make a top-tier tablet, and price it for significantly less, they'd be making a loss that isn't sustainable. Apple also knew that this was primetime to grab both the market and mindshare.
That's why the competing tablets have basically been priced the same. Apple eliminated one area to target.

If Amazon could make a kick-ass tablet, they could sew up 2nd place comfortably. Apple has far too much Mindshare for them to be toppled, anytime soon, though.

As for the $99 TouchPad price point, I'm sure only geeks picked up on that fast enough, and those either already had iPad's, or were never going to get one anyway.
 
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The HP TP is just a blip, will do nothing to influence tables in general.

What will is component costs going down, and possibly if like sized/equipped tables are significantly cheaper (but then read first part).
 
Yes price will become an issue for Apple.

Not yet as the current Tegra 2 Android tablets are under powered,
but if Tegra 3 lives up to the hype it will change the game.



With Android tablets at $399 or less the iPad looks overpriced,
but its performance makes up for the difference.

Just today Samsung announced a amazing 7.7 tablet with a AMOLED II screen
and Lenovo announced a $199 Ideapad A1.

iPad 3 needs a retina display to compete at higher price levels.
Folks were saying the same last year - "Tegra 2 is like, gonna be the OMGwin!"

Today's saviour is Tegra 3 and Kal-El? :D
 
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