Will you be truely happy if Skylake MBP 2016 is available now?

hajime

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We all know that there is a long thread about waiting for Skylake MBP. However, will you be truly happy if you can buy it now? I have been asking this myself for the past few days. I may buy it as my MBP 17" 2010 is aging and I got Mac version of some software. However, I don't think I will be happy about it. Adding a touch panel above the keyboard is not impressive nor useful to me. Skipping a 1.5 generation and then later on advertisement states that the new MBP is ABC times faster than the previous model is also not impressive. I heard the rumors that Microsoft will release new laptop at the end of this month. I might consider those products. Perhaps just forget about the Mac until Tim steps down.
 
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keysofanxiety

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Intel's newer mobile i7s aren't really that much more powerful than the current ones sitting in the 15" rMBPs. In fact the current chips are more powerful than the current mobile Xeons. So I can definitely appreciate why Apple didn't feel it necessary to update with little/no performance gains and higher component cost as a result.

I wish Apple had dropped their prices if they couldn't justify a hardware update, though.
 

keysofanxiety

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Yes, they should have dropped their prices.

Yep! But that aside, let's be honest -- the 15" rMBP is still a damn capable machine. It's still the best portable out there by a massive margin, IMO.

I'm excited to see what will happen with the refresh. Mainly all this talk about ARM/Apple CPUs in the next gen. If they'd been working on something secret to leapfrog Intel... :eek:
 
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I want a MBP with touch screen. The only option now seems to be to hack the Surface Pro 4.

With all the rich Chinese kids buying Apple products (rich freshers tend to get their parents to buy iPhone, iPad and Mac all together when they enter university), I don't think Apple will drop the prices.
 

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Yep! But that aside, let's be honest -- the 15" rMBP is still a damn capable machine. It's still the best portable out there by a massive margin, IMO.

I'm excited to see what will happen with the refresh. Mainly all this talk about ARM/Apple CPUs in the next gen. If they'd been working on something secret to leapfrog Intel... :eek:

No arm CPU is going to beat a quad core i7, not in the next 5 years at least they just aren't at that level yet.
 

keysofanxiety

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No arm CPU is going to beat a quad core i7, not in the next 5 years at least they just aren't at that level yet.

I dunno, per-core Geekbench 4 results from the iPhone 7 were greater than my 2012 15" i7 CPU. Just over half the multicore, but half the cores.

I appreciate there's the OS it's running on (iOS vs OS X), but that's still properly impressive. If they were serious about it, who knows what they could have been developing...
 

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I want a MBP with touch screen. The only option now seems to be to hack the Surface Pro 4.
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I'd like a touch screen too. All I use my MBP for is culling and light editing of photos on the road. Last week I had a layover in Seattle and tried my sons Lenovo (sp?) X1 carbon for editing a photo, I think they call this a 2 in 1 device because I was able to flip the screen over and had what was basically a thick tablet. It had a stylus which I used for my editing test. All I can say is it was fantastic, ran Photoshop very well, and the stylus with the ability to change photo sizes with my fingers was a dream come true. I'm looking something like this for my next machine, my only worries are windows - this is the only time in life I have touched a system running Windows - and how seamless it would be to move what I do on the Windows portable with my IMacs at home.
 
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theluggage

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We all know that there is a long thread about waiting for Skylake MBP. However, will you be truly happy if you can buy it now?

First, I mainly use my MBP on the desktop with an external keyboard & display (and if they go to a MacBook style thin & crispy keyboard that's not going to change), so no, the promised function key strip doesn't have me too excited. Thats got that out of the way.

Also, the Skylake CPU itself is no big deal - I'm currently on a 2011 MBP, so even a 2015 model ought to be a noticeable improvement, but to tell the difference between 2015 and Skylake is going to need a stopwatch.

However, there are other things that do matter, that should come with Skylake:

* USB 3.1 Gen 2 (i.e. 10Gbps USB)
* USB-C connector/Thunderbolt 3 - maybe a new, more affordable equivalent of the Thunderbolt Display in the future (even if Apple don't do one, third parties might as either USB-C+DisplayPort or TB3 might take off as standard display connectors).
* Better GPUs, especially if the 15" gets AMD Polaris
* Better support for 4k/5k

...if I buy a new MBP, I'll want 5 years out of it like the last one - so it will need those features. Some are actually going to be a pain at first (new cables and dongles for USB-C) but should be a boon in the future.
 

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Given that Apple more or less is rolling out a Skylake based MBP at the time that Skylake is near its lifecycle, I'd say no, many people will then be wanting Kaby Lake.

I listened to a podcast and they said that Apple rolled the dice and skipped a generation but got burned because of Intel's timing, or rather delays. This mess is all on Apple so now they're rolling out new computers on Skylake just as Intel is rolling out Skylake's replacement.

I'm hoping that Apple has some fantastic design up their sleave, and not just a spec bump given the long waiting period.
 
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I've heard similar rumors. One is they'll announce new HW (Kaby Lake) this month, and not ship until Jan 2017, the other is they have product in the pipeline ready to go for the holiday season.
 

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Intel's newer mobile i7s aren't really that much more powerful than the current ones sitting in the 15" rMBPs. In fact the current chips are more powerful than the current mobile Xeons. So I can definitely appreciate why Apple didn't feel it necessary to update with little/no performance gains and higher component cost as a result.

I wish Apple had dropped their prices if they couldn't justify a hardware update, though.

They might not be much quicker but they would have removed the 16GB RAM limitation that Apple imposed on the rMBP. 32GB would be useful, 64GB even more. I use my laptop as a mobile VM lab. I appreciate not everyone does this, but some of us do and it would have been nice to have the choice. I ended up buying an XPS 15 instead.
 

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Given that Apple more or less is rolling out a Skylake based MBP at the time that Skylake is near its lifecycle, I'd say no, many people will then be wanting Kaby Lake.

...and many other people will only care about Kaby Lake if Apple really drops the ball on its advertising. The advantages seem to be slightly better performance (probably less than the differences between the various power/cores/gpu permutations) better 4k video decoding (irrelevant if the machines have a discrete GPU*) and Thunderbolt/USB 3.1g2 built in. The latter might be most significant, since it could affect how many TB3 ports you get on your laptop...

As far as I'm concerned, the main attractions of new Macs will be TB3/USB3.1g2 for future proofing & better docking options... plus (since I can afford to wait) the knowledge that a new model wasn't coming out a few weeks after I purchased. If my Mac went phut tomorrow, I wouldn't be too disappointed with a current model rMBP or iMac.

*Looking at what MS and Dell are offering, Apple probably need to make a dGPU standard on all the 15" rMBP models... offering dGPU on the 13" rMBP would give them one up Dell and help compete with the MS SurfaceBook.

I listened to a podcast and they said that Apple rolled the dice and skipped a generation but got burned because of Intel's timing, or rather delays.

I think that was true up until, maybe, this summer - but its passed its sell-by date now.

However, Apple need to up their game on defending their position: MS are advertising the Surface Book as "twice as powerful" as the MacBook Pro (which surely can only come from comparing the entry level 13" rMBP with the top-range SB model, with i7 and dGPU, that costs more than a rMBP 15" with gpu and quad i7). The Dell XPS 13 briefly - for a few months over this summer - offered a model with Skylake 28W + Iris graphics that was a viable upgrade from the rMBP 13", but I notice that they've now switched the entire range to Kaby Lake 15W with HD graphics... be interested to see how that compares with the older 28W/Iris...

That illustrates another problem: Intel's current, stupid, branding scheme is posion for anybody who actually cares about performance. "7th Generation Core i7" tells you nothing about the performance - to Dell's credit they do actually list the model number (unlike others, including Apple, who bury it) but even then you have to dig around to find out what that means.

I found a site on switching "From Mac to Microsoft Surface". I may need it at the end of this month if Apple still has not made any announcement.

Do note that the site is from Microsoft - i.e. its an advert - so don't treat it as impartial. I do quite like the look of the Surface Pro/Surface Book, and if the idea of a convertible laptop/tablet floats your boat then Apple offers nothing that compares. However, they're awfully expensive - consistently more than a rMBP with the same level of RAM and SSD (going on UK prices) and the entry level doesn't have the discrete GPU in the base - leaving it with a 6th Gen 15W/HD Graphics CPU versus the rMBPs 5th Gen 28W/Iris - which could easily be a zero-sum game.

Oh, yes, and the rumours are that there will be a Surface Book 2 out (with USB-C/TB3 and maybe a Kaby Lake processor) real soon now - so you're back to waiting :)
 

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At this point it doesn't matter what they produce. They took too long. I gave up on them last year. They haven't produced anything that meets my needs for several years now.

So I threw my money into buying a PC and updating the 2006 Mac that I have, instead of buying a new Mac. My older hardware does a better job of meeting my needs than anything they've produced since 2012.

As for the future? Don't know. But Apple won't see any new money from me for 3 to 5 years. They should have produced it when I needed it.

So... a Windows 10 PC laptop, and updating my old Mac Pro has me covered for a while (the foreseeable future). Too bad, I was debating on buying a new Mac last year. But by this year it wasn't worth the wait anymore.
 

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*Looking at what MS and Dell are offering, Apple probably need to make a dGPU standard on all the 15" rMBP models... offering dGPU on the 13" rMBP would give them one up Dell and help compete with the MS SurfaceBook.
I think Apple is moving away from dGPUs or at least they were. Perhaps with Intel's lack of robust iGPUs they may rethink that move. I know Apple has never been about competing on pure specs, but I do think they need to roll out something competitive. I also think its a huge misstep on their part to be rolling out a "6th generation" processor when the competition is rolling out the "7th generation" While consumers may not know the names of the chips, they will see that Apple is using a 6th generation, and Dell/HP/MS will be (or are already) using the 7th generation CPUs. That's where its going to hurt them.

A redesign MBP will go a long ways, as the the competition has designs very much like Apple's and they need something to stand out.

I found a site on switching "From Mac to Microsoft Surface". I may need it at the end of this month if Apple still has not made any announcement.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/switch/mac-surface/home
I have a Surface Book and its a great computer, that link reminds me of what Apple did to entice switchers back a few years ago. Looks like MS is taking a page from Apple's advertising.

As it stands, I think the SurfaceBook is a better computer then the MacBook Pro, not because of Skylake, but because of what it offers in terms of features.
 

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I think Apple is moving away from dGPUs or at least they were. Perhaps with Intel's lack of robust iGPUs they may rethink that move. I know Apple has never been about competing on pure specs, but I do think they need to roll out something competitive. I also think its a huge misstep on their part to be rolling out a "6th generation" processor when the competition is rolling out the "7th generation" While consumers may not know the names of the chips, they will see that Apple is using a 6th generation, and Dell/HP/MS will be (or are already) using the 7th generation CPUs. That's where its going to hurt them.

A redesign MBP will go a long ways, as the the competition has designs very much like Apple's and they need something to stand out.


I have a Surface Book and its a great computer, that link reminds me of what Apple did to entice switchers back a few years ago. Looks like MS is taking a page from Apple's advertising.

As it stands, I think the SurfaceBook is a better computer then the MacBook Pro, not because of Skylake, but because of what it offers in terms of features.


That link mentions that it is easy to sync/transfer files between iPhone/iPad to Surface machine. Is it really true? Can I use the Surface to backup my iPhone?
 

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That link mentions that it is easy to sync/transfer files between iPhone/iPad to Surface machine. Is it really true? Can I use the Surface to backup my iPhone?
Yes, you can sync your iPhone with a Surface Pro. It works just like a Mac, you install iTunes and viola, you sync it
 
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Well assuming they want to sell some computers over the holiday period they will have to do something soon. I just can't imagine they would enter the busiest part of the year with no new Macs.
 

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I want to ask Tim's wife to stop sleeping with him until Apple releases new MBP.
 

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Well assuming they want to sell some computers over the holiday period they will have to do something soon. I just can't imagine they would enter the busiest part of the year with no new Macs.
Especially since the sales of the macs are cratering.
 

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I'd be blown away if Apple lets this holiday season pass without new Macs. As far as being happy with a skylake offering? It has to be a great design with a better price.
 
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