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I don't believe Windows users are suddenly running to Mac because of this.
Yeah and honestly I don't really feel the anti-Windows vibes these days anyway.

The only inconvenience for me will be that the most modern OS my 2011 Mac Mini (a spare Mac that's got dual HDs and maxed out RAM ao can do stuff) can run is Windows 10. It's a goto 'Windows box' for me and I don't mind using Windows.

TBH I enjoy turning on my G4 Mac with OS 9 and doing stuff on it (I eeerm... might have some news soon actually as I've used AI to port a semi-modern TLS solution to it). Modern 'MacOS' doesn't have the same tribal pull factor for me that Macs used to have. It's become a little bit bulky/clunky and Windows is pretty same-same to me these days.
 
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i know people say that MS supported Windows 10 for a long time. but I think they did not have a lot of choice, so many people using it, including offices, there would have been more hell to play than there is now.
I think part of is, that Nadella himself stated that windows 10 was the last version of windows, and they'll just keep updating that with features instead of a new version of windows.

windows 10 was already 6 years old when windows 11 came out in 2021
 
But if you consider that NTVDM has been around since 1993, it has been supported by Microsoft for more than 30 years. That would be comparable to Apple still supporting 68k Mac OS 7 applications in macOS Sequoia.

...if not supporting Apple II applications, or at least 68k... considering you could still run DOS and Win3.1 software before Win 10. Yes, it sounds ridiculous lin Apple terms, but for DOS/Windows decades-long support is/was standard operating practice (...and I heard that Linux dropped support for 486 processors this year!)

Windows could've done 16-bit in 32-bit in 64-bit, but I think it's perfectly reasonable on Microsoft's part not to implement that.

...my only point was that Windows 10 marked a move away from that sort of long-term legacy support. Once you've supported something for 30-40 years, dropping support is kinda notable!
 
You may be thinking of HotSauce.
That is definitely the idea and experience but I don’t recall it being called HotSauce. It had a name that ended up being used for something else in the future, but I can’t remember the name. But I would have remembered HotSauce.

Were there other marketing names to the beta? It was absolutely a demo product but it was cool, especially for navigating the web at the time because connections were slow so flying into the structure to find what you needed and only opening that page was a time saver.
 
For decades, the Apple eco-system was too small to warrant extensive work by hackers to have virus or malware issues.

That is no longer the case and we now see/experience security issues just like the Windows folks.

Both Apple and Microsoft are guilty of planned obsolescence in their software and in Apple's case, their hardware.

The motto today is still the same as it always was - Buyer Beware.

The performance of my 2022 M1 Ultra Mac Studio (128GB and 8TB SSD) is now nearly matched by my M4 Max MacBook Pro (128GB and 8TB SSD0). By maxing out the specs of the M1 Ultra, I got four model years of it being the top consumer computer from Apple. The M1 Ultra has not changed and still does the jobs I use it for so not going to replace anytime soon. But Apple may change the MacOS in the future and this M1 Ultra computer will be left behind as a desk ornament with no current operating system..
 
...my only point was that Windows 10 marked a move away from that sort of long-term legacy support. Once you've supported something for 30-40 years, dropping support is kinda notable!

True.

That is definitely the idea and experience but I don’t recall it being called HotSauce. It had a name that ended up being used for something else in the future, but I can’t remember the name. But I would have remembered HotSauce.

Were there other marketing names to the beta? It was absolutely a demo product but it was cool, especially for navigating the web at the time because connections were slow so flying into the structure to find what you needed and only opening that page was a time saver.

So,

  • there was also the Apple Cyberdog web browser, but that was to my knowledge unrelated to MCF. Instead, it was kind of a demo for OpenDoc.
  • as far as reusing a brand goes, they reused Cocoa, oddly enough. In later years, Classic/Carbon/Cocoa were the three toolkits to make Mac apps (Classic being a VM that ran OS 9 inside, Carbon being a modernized Classic a.k.a. Mac toolbox, and Cocoa being the new name for what had previously been called Yellow Box, or AppKit). But Cocoa was also, before that, a programming environment for kids that was ultimately sold off and rebranded Stagecast Creator.
I wouldn't be surprised if HotSauce also had various other codenames.

(There's a ton of other interesting/strange stuff from 1990s' Apple, such as SK8.)
 
I think MS ended Windows 10 too soon. It was by far the only good Windows since Windows 7 (8 was garbage, 11 is still not well developed enough), and there are still lots of PCs running Windows 10. MS wants to encourage more people to buy Windows 11 PCs. While the PC brands' sales indeed increased as the article mentioned, this boost in Mac sales still sounds like an irony to MS.

Apparently, there are (currently) only two options for new customers: either a Mac, or a PC with a still-young operating system that lots of people still hate. (Note: for "new customers", I am talking about average customers looking for new computers already built and ready to use, not tech enthusiasts or gamers who can build a PC and choose to stick with Windows 10.)

Windows 11 will eventually get better (it's not as fatal as Windows 8, tbh), or perhaps we will see a better Windows 12. But for now, the choice for customers is limited given that the 10 is sunsetted.
 
My work laptop is a late 2021 Inspiron that was purchased from Costco.
1st mistake!
It has the nearly fatal flaw of being a Windows 11 machine shipped with a spinning hard drive instead of a proper SSD,
2nd mistake!
That hard drive makes me pay every work day. I consider it a badge of honor that I've been able to keep it running, because despite its published specs (16 GB RAM, 12th gen Intel processor), it stinks to high heaven.
Inspiron is Dell, and Dell is American. Costco is American too!

Even though Microsoft and Windows are also American, they are excellent and are not accountable for Dell, Costco, or the buyer's ignorance.
 
I also love new MacBook Pro‘s too much. Superior screen, incredibly battery life (picking it up after a week and not having to wait a single second for it to return to what I did previously with plenty battery left), great speakers, more performance I could ever need, first class trackpad, thunderbolt ports, incredibly fast SSD‘s, etc.
Too much to give up.
Have you checked how many excellent Windows laptops out there for the price you paid for you MacBook, and from many different manufacturers?
 
1st mistake!

2nd mistake!

Inspiron is Dell, and Dell is American. Costco is American too!

Even though Microsoft and Windows are also American, they are excellent and are not accountable for Dell, Costco, or the buyer's ignorance.
Sorry dude, I can't fire my boss for buying bad equipment. I work with the tools I'm given, I'm professional like that. Preach on about whatever weird superiority complex you're pushing.

One other thing: Where are those "American" laptops manufactured?
 
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Sorry dude, I can't fire my boss forbuying bad equipment. I work with the tools I'm given, I'm professional like that.
But your boss can fire you for taking too much time to finish a job, especially with that slow hard disk. He'd never admit he is wrong, would he?

Windows is not at fault for your boss's foolishness, is it?
 
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But your boss can fire you for taking too much time to finish a job, especially with that slow hard disk. He'd never admit he is wrong, would he?

Windows is not at fault for your boss's foolishness, is it?
Not really. I'm the only person doing this specific job (worth six figures in transactions annually) and I've recently been tasked with greater responsibility recently. To me that's a vote of confidence. Go troll somewhere else.

Most of the Windows enterprise world is grunts getting cheap barely-workable solutions that are designed to die within a few years. You don't have to blame Windows or Microsoft for that, but they set the standards and tone by doing the OEM-MSFT dance around minimum specs, all of which are driven by price points and TCO. As long as they treat the equipment (and sometimes the employees) as disposable we get crap products. It only makes me more glad to use my Apple products on a daily basis when I leave work.
 
Not really. I'm the only person doing this specific job (worth six figures in transactions annually) and I've recently been tasked with greater responsibility recently. To me that's a vote of confidence. Go troll somewhere else.

Most of the Windows enterprise world is grunts getting cheap barely-workable solutions that are designed to die within a few years. You don't have to blame Windows or Microsoft for that, but they set the standards and tone by doing the OEM-MSFT dance around minimum specs, all of which are driven by price points and TCO. As long as they treat the equipment (and sometimes the employees) as disposable we get crap products. It only makes me more glad to use my Apple products on a daily basis when I leave work.
Decide, who is to blame that dilemma of buying that laptop with spinning disk? You, your boss, or Windows? Or the inability of using Windows correctly?
 
Decide, who is to blame that dilemma of buying that laptop with spinning disk? You, your boss, or Windows? Or the inability of using Windows correctly?
The laptop was purchased when I was hired. I had no say in it, as do most employees in companies regarding IT purchases. My point is that Microsoft made a terrible mistake in allowing the OEMs to persist in allowing the low-spec laptops with the spinning disks. MSFT didn't remedy that until a year after I started using the machine. Case in point - I have colleagues who choose to work from an iPad Pros even though we are a Windows house. I can't do that because there is some Windows-specific software I have to use.

In any case, at least MSFT learned their lesson, and probably drove more people to Macs or iPads in the process. Keep pointing fingers though, it looks good on you.
 
The laptop was purchased when I was hired. I had no say in it, as do most employees in companies regarding IT purchases.
Microsoft can't be responsible for someone else's bad decisions, can they?
My point is that Microsoft made a terrible mistake in allowing the OEMs to persist in allowing the low-spec laptops with the spinning disks.
That's not a mistake; that's brilliance. There are billions of low-spec Windows machines out there in the world, and some very successful businesses, as well as some governments, rely on them. So, live with it!
 
Microsoft can't be responsible for someone else's bad decisions, can they?

That's not a mistake; that's brilliance. There are billions of low-spec Windows machines out there in the world, and some very successful businesses, as well as some governments, rely on them. So, live with it!
They can sure keep losing customers, that's on them. I don't bother with Windows 10 or 11 at home anymore and my life is much better for it. You don't need to be Microsoft's stan in this forum. The problem isn't even fully Microsoft's fault. The OEMs make the unholy spec choices and ask MSFT to rubber-stamp them. Ex: Windows 8.
 
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Have you checked how many excellent Windows laptops out there for the price you paid for you MacBook, and from many different manufacturers?
I mostly don’t buy Apple stuff as new, just used and good as new, if necessary. I paid ~1100€ for an M1 Pro 14“ 16 GB with upgraded 10 core CPU 16 core GPU and 1TB SSD (quite a steal, as this config was at the time of purchase usually priced 200-300€ higher).
That’s 600€ (1700€, Apple Refurbished) less than what I paid for my 2017 base Touch Bar 13“ MacBook Pro (i7, intel iris, 8GB, 256GB) for three times the computer.
It has a bigger screen, with mini LED for efficiency, HDR and deep blacks, a very sharp and color accurate display with incredibly high brightness levels, an industry leading trackpad, phenomenal speakers, especially for the size (sound better than previous 16“ MBPs), a (finally) reliable keyboard with a good feel (liked Butterfly more tbh but it’s still very good) and with individually backlit keys, in a sturdy, compact, sleek designed chassis, with all ports I need (except USB A at times), with performance far exceeding what I use this thing for (edited a music video with rather many big files and clips and it handled it the way I always expected a Mac to do it) and a semi big, fast SSD.
Together with a, imo, easy to use and intuitive operating system that works great with my phone, my watch and my headphones, not to mention iCloud, and a huge online user base with many support articles, discussions, forums and what not, I highly doubt any windows laptop can hold a candle to what I have right now.

Considering recent Microsoft Surface laptops for the same price can’t even keep up with recent MacBook Airs, I’m happy where I’m at.
 
Considering recent Microsoft Surface laptops for the same price can’t even keep up with recent MacBook Airs,
We make all kinds of general comments, but you have to use a Microsoft Surface alongside the MacBook to tell the difference.
 
Well, no, not really!
Elaborate, please.
Even if we look past all the nitpicking, the Surface showed its true face in this video. The setup itself is very telling, the ads, the macOS inspired design choices, the bad performance on battery.
The video is rather long and stretched at parts, but still very informative.
It’s not even close.
 
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