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Windows 11 as the new Vista?

grmlin said:
I experience more and more bugs and glitches the longer I use it. I think it's time to do a clean install and see if that helps. 🙁
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me too, 11 is vista
Microsoft knows we all have faster equipment nowadays
so we wont notice the OS regurgitation.
 
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I had one with some artifacting on my gaming desktop, but a reboot solved it and it hasn't been back.

Mine has been pretty solid.
 
soulreaver99 said:
No Windows 11 is not Vista. Vista was years ago and people need to get over it. Big Sur was last year and I got over it.

Windows 11 has been solid and I had a better experience running 11 than I did 10.
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No issues here either with Windows 11, running a Legion 7i laptop. Figured out how to get rid of the very annoying "double" right click to bring up alternative menus, now doing a right click is the same as it was on Windows 10. Also moved the taskbar all the way to the bottom left of the screen, same as Windows 10. Games run the same for me as well. No complaints yet.
 
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Harthag said:
No issues here either with Windows 11, running a Legion 7i laptop. Figured out how to get rid of the very annoying "double" right click to bring up alternative menus, now doing a right click is the same as it was on Windows 10. Also moved the taskbar all the way to the bottom left of the screen, same as Windows 10. Games run the same for me as well. No complaints yet.
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Ha! Made the same two moves. Windows 11 for me seems even faster. I know on my Surface Pro 7, it seems that Windows Hello is almost instant now and the battery life seems a bit longer. Gaming Desktop only had one minor issue that a reboot solved. I am very satisfied with 11.
 
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I actually really enjoy Windows 11 after using it for a few weeks. It solved some wifi issues, some bluetooth issues, and some sleeping issues I was having with my laptop.

Unfortunately the heat issues and fan noise of the Dell XPS 15 I use is so bad that I am still going with upgrading to a 14" MacBook Pro when it arrives in a week.
 
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TSE said:
I actually really enjoy Windows 11 after using it for a few weeks. It solved some wifi issues, some bluetooth issues, and some sleeping issues I was having with my laptop.

Unfortunately the heat issues and fan noise of the Dell XPS 15 I use is so bad that I am still going with upgrading to a 14" MacBook Pro when it arrives in a week.
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what chip processor is inside the dell?
my experience with 11 is great processor wise.
(i might switch back to 10 on the Dell xps 13" 2019 because that was easier for my feeble brains)

thanks in advance
 
Quackers said:
Vista was originally bad because no drivers were written for it by hardware suppliers (or not many of them). It caused mayhem for a while.
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The biggest "flaw" in Vista (WindowsNT 6.0) was that upgradesability from XP (WindowsNT 5.1) was vastly overstated. Just the opposite of the Win10>Win11 upgrades, many machines were sold with XP while tauting their support for Vista when that support was for a limited feature set and most such performed poorly.
 
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dwig said:
The biggest "flaw" in Vista (WindowsNT 6.0) was that upgradesability from XP (WindowsNT 5.1) was vastly overstated. Just the opposite of the Win10>Win11 upgrades, many machines were sold with XP while tauting their support for Vista when that support was for a limited feature set and most such performed poorly.
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Yes. As early as 2006, computers were still being sold with 256 or 512 MBs of RAM, cheap graphics cards, and single core processors.

All of a sudden Vista drops in 2007, and the average consumer who bought their eMachine cheapo 2006 computer assumed they could upgrade their 6 month old computer, and all of a sudden Vista with Aero enabled was way too intensive for their computer. Also, now Microsoft now asks if you are sure if you want to install ANY download. Oh, yeah! And your printer doesn't have current drivers for Vista, so you have to figure that out.

Within a year, all computers sold had a dual-core and 1 GB of RAM or 512 MBs at the very minimum which could run Vista just fine. And printer manufacturers released Vista compatible drivers. But the damage was already done and there was no changing consumer minds.

So Microsoft released Vista 2.0 aka Windows 7 and everyone loved it.
 
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ian87w said:
11 technically is just 10. It wasn't supposed to be a new version as Microsoft had said Windows 10 being the last version of Windows.

Imo 11 is just a marketing opportunity triggered by the pandemic. The pandemic and WFH have caused many people upgrading their home computers. Pc sales are going up, so I'm guessing the OEMs are asking Microsoft to do Windows 11 and just drop support for some processors to force more people to upgrade. It's a sleazy move.

Microsoft being Microsoft, they botched the launch marketing, creating confusion even amongst the tech enthusiasts.

Imo Windows 11 should've been an exclusive Windows ARM, leaving 10 continuing for x86. The new number is an opportunity to cut off a lot of the legacy crud.
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There is no WINDOWS 11.. Its just windows 10 on drugs.,
 
eltoslightfoot said:
You can disable the telemetry if you are so inclined...Link

Everything I have seen says its the same as Windows 10. My settings on telemetry carried over.
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Chris Titus Tech offers a script that does the tweak/debloating (and more). I tore apart the powershell script and I'm personally comfortable with what it does - there's other debloater scripts but this doesn't seem terribly aggressive. I like these powershell scripts for a couple of reasons - it relieves me of the need to edit the registry by hand, and its easily repeatable. Also this script takes a snapshot so you can easily revert back if you don't like what it does

He offers the script on ghithub and I'll be looking to make my own customized version.
 
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maflynn said:
Chris Titus Tech offers a script that does the tweak/debloating (and more). I tore apart the powershell script and I'm personally comfortable with what it does - there's other debloater scripts but this doesn't seem terribly aggressive. I like these powershell scripts for a couple of reasons - it relieves me of the need to edit the registry by hand, and its easily repeatable. Also this script takes a snapshot so you can easily revert back if you don't like what it does

He offers the script on ghithub and I'll be looking to make my own customized version.
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This is really cool! Thanks for sharing!
 
Then is Monterrey then BigSur 21?
Catalina from Mojave was a big change the visuals and how files were saved on  devices but more "big brother"
but Mojave was a cleaner, efficient, stable and faster version of High Sierra which added a few things from sierra

my brother used Windows 11 in his Asus laptop for a day and went back.
he did not like many things mostly bugs he did not like.
Im switching back to windows 10 because i can't get used to the extra steps windwos11 offers.
and those command icons are annoying.

so
to return back to windows 10, i just need a USB drive with the OS "boot something" online
and reinstall th eOS, eh?

i already installed win10 in a new ssd dive back in april.

thanks in advance!
 
You just need to create a USB bootable ISO image for Windows 10. As far as that goes, I haven't really noticed anything bad with Windows 11. I made one change to fix my right click menu, but other than that I have found it to be far faster
 
maflynn said:
Chris Titus Tech offers a script that does the tweak/debloating (and more). I tore apart the powershell script and I'm personally comfortable with what it does - there's other debloater scripts but this doesn't seem terribly aggressive. I like these powershell scripts for a couple of reasons - it relieves me of the need to edit the registry by hand, and its easily repeatable. Also this script takes a snapshot so you can easily revert back if you don't like what it does

He offers the script on ghithub and I'll be looking to make my own customized version.
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Yep. CTT's tweaking and debloating script has indeed been extremely helpful. That's a run-once set-it-and-forget-it type of operation, but the more I use Win 10 (and now 11), the more I see the need for a housekeeping script that runs on a regular basis.

I've started writing one and using it. Once I'm comfortable with its safety, I may make it available to others. I also need to look at Black Viper's Win 10 Services recommendations. I used BV's stuff back in the XP and Win 7 days with great success.

WUB (Windows Update Blocker) still works with Win 11 so that's excellent.

Using my usual tweaks and mods, I have had great success in getting Win 10 to run quite acceptably on low end systems, in particular, Asus Vivobook E203MA that has 2GB RAM, 32 GB storage, and Celeron N4000 processor. That was far far better than the preloaded image. Quite a deal for a $99 Black Friday notebook.

I'm looking forward to getting one of those door-buster notebooks this year that come preloaded with Win 11 and performing the same tweaks and mods.
 
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The last time I used a tool to debloat Windows 10 I got a system that was annoying as hell because of policies these tools installed and changed. Settings were disabled with the info that they are controlled by a company now and stuff like this.

Is the Chris Titus Tech script safe to use or will it cause a mess, too
 
grmlin said:
Is the Chris Titus Tech script safe to use or will it cause a mess, too
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You seem to have all sorts of issues with your set up and so I wouldn't recommend it. I do the script is safe, as its being used by a lot of people, ist on github to examine and the debloating does a handful of things, including running O&O Shutup, and turning off some telelmetry.

The script does a whole lot more but the debloating/tweaking is rather minor but since you're coming from a machine that is not stable or problem free, I'd not recommend making any changes.
 
Thanks! The fresh install I did help though and now the biggest remaining problem is the taskbar I can’t use on multiple monitors.
The last time I tried to debloat Windows I experienced all kinds of weird side effects and limitations in Windows. That’s what I meant with safe 👍

I’m the end my system currently works good enough and it’s probably a good idea not to touch it haha
 
I have to agree. I will be very curious to see how much if any traction this gets in the business/enterprise world. Most of them have little or no reason to upgrade. Moving from W7 to Win 10 was a massive deal and since Windows 10 will be supported for the foreseeable future they won’t invest the money and resources. The reviews and videos I have seen only seem to benefit the consumer, not business (yes Teams is more integrated but not all orgs use it so it is not a selling point). Businesses will in most cases need to buy new hardware as existing devices may or may not meet the strict requirements around graphics.
 
I found 11 to be quite smooth and a lot of needed UI updates. 10 was getting a little long in the tooth with the UI. Kinda like how 10.10 to 10.15 was getting old.
 
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I have to use Windows 10 on a PC at work to look up part #'s and so on. I hate that blasted thing. The boss only believes in Internet Explorer, and filled the HDD up with malware (ironically called MalwareBytes Free, which just eats up the CPU cores) and has literally dozens of desktop icons across two monitors. The taskbar recently became white, and is uglier than ever. I am not sure if it's some sort of accessibility setting or the video driver became corrupt. It's so bad the boss's daughter who's slowly taking over uses her MacBook Pro. It's a Lenovo tower with 12GB RAM that runs more like an i486 with 8MB RAM. I asked the main boss to uninstall MalwareBytes as it's garbage but she refuses. She knows enough to blacklist alternate browsers as well, since the user account no longer allows you to uninstall apps, or change the default away from IE (part of this is the CCTV system, UNV, doesn't support Edge or Chrome). She's gonna have a huge surprise if the system gets auto-updated to Win11

Going back to my gaming rig running Windows 11 is a breath of fresh air for me.

I miss Vista's UI, but one thing broke Vista for me: "unidentified network, local access only"

I was not the only one with that massive wifi bug, requiring a total wipe/reinstall just to fix it (driver updates didn't, and an external USB wifi adapter just did the same thing a few weeks later) and it'd happen again, and again, and again. It was a huge bug that never got fixed.
 
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I am using Windows 11 and I like the new interface. However, I also feel that Microsoft rushed Windows 11 to the market and it is pretty much an unfinished product. I am not sure why Microsoft decided to release it in such a short period of time (perhaps for security reasons, as Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0).

The problem is that Windows 11 is getting a bad reputation.
 
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