Windows 11 for Mac in the Works, Says Parallels Desktop

[bobcomer]

Well, again, fwiw I’m able to use the key I purchased from Microsoft for Windows 10 Pro and Activate an ARM version of Win10 in a VM.

I wish you were right, but that's just not how the EULA for WoA reads.

I’m sure they’ll offer a path. Or something. It’s their business.

It's a very tiny portion of their business, and a non paying one no less. I'm not sure either way, and really, until I can buy a license, I probably will ditch WoA. The Insiders/Dev ring is more of an annoyance than a help. I have other machines than my M1 to do all I need.

I’ve always found it funny/sad to still see the BootCamp app still being installed on the M1 Macs 🤣 Maybe we’ll get to use it at some point. Maybe things will change when we get closer to both a Windows 10 and macOS 12 release..

Yeah, I've wondered about that too. I guess they don't have that kind of granularity between installs on Intel and on M1. Anyway, it's gone on my M1MBA now btw, the last update must have got rid of it.

 

[bobcomer]

multiple? things must have changed. Running a VM on a laptop makes it lame , maybe you have too much RAM on that mini.

Yep. It's an i7 with 64G RAM, and 2TB SSD internal and 2TB SSD external. It's not as fast as my i9 desktop that runs Windows, but it's no slouch. I always have 2 VM's running and can spool up more. The VM's run server type roles..

There is no such thing as too much RAM. That i9 has 128G and I'm thinking of adding another 128, it has the slots.

Laptops don't have the cooling needed for serious VM work...

 

[gank41]

I wish you were right, but that's just not how the EULA for WoA reads.


It's a very tiny portion of their business, and a non paying one no less. I'm not sure either way, and really, until I can buy a license, I probably will ditch WoA. The Insiders/Dev ring is more of an annoyance than a help. I have other machines than my M1 to do all I need.


Yeah, I've wondered about that too. I guess they don't have that kind of granularity between installs on Intel and on M1. Anyway, it's gone on my M1MBA now btw, the last update must have got rid of it.

Still on my machine running latest beta of macOS 11.5

 

[bobcomer]

Still on my machine running latest beta of macOS 11.5

Weird. I must have deleted it.

 

[asiga]

This is interesting input, but very niche. More likely all "normal" software will be cloud based in 5-10 years as 5g becomes ubiquitous.

Actually, the trends seem to show we are losing intelligence year by year: People should prefer to own a copy of the software, music, and movies they buy, and should prefer to decide by themselves rather than from AI advice, and should prefer to pay once rather than monthly, and should prefer to drive their car, and should prefer to... be humans. But, as you pointed out, it seems people is just accepting to have a cloud-controlled life, forever. Now they can choose, but they choose to follow the trend. Twenty years from now, they won't be able to choose anymore, and they'll say "it's the way it is, get used to it". Idiots!! You could have chosen another way when you still had control.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

I'm not sure bootcamp was ever that big; it allowed Apple to promote switching without giving up Windows; but I'd be surprised if it was every actually used in any large numbers compared to teh number of Macs in teh wild.



OmniGraffle is nice and I use it, but their Visio compatibility leaves a lot to be desired. Any files always seemed to get mangled in translation.

Yeah the Visio compatibility is horrendous. I do not even try anymore.

 

[mzeb]

Do you really think Microsoft cares about the TINY number of Windows sales to boot camp users? It’s rounding error at best.

Besides boot camp is gone going forward on M series Mac’s. Apple dropped it. Why? Because they know it is hardly used by Mac users anymore.

Yep, MS does care. And Apple has said they are open to making windows work on M1 macs.
You are right that it is a small market but it has two things going for it. First, boot camp users pay full price for their windows license which is 4-5X the negotiated OEM volume rate. Two, and this is the key one for MS’ “be everywhere we can” strategy, it is a collaboration opportunity. Just like, the subsystem for Linux and SQL Server running on Ubuntu MS is all about these collabs lately.
I actually think ARM based boot camp is pretty likely, it’ll just take a bit.
MS has almost no experience working directly with Apple hardware, in particular Apple M1 firmware. MS knew intel EFI so telling Apple what they needed exposed from the EFI to boot windows on Intel was easy. MS has some learning to do to tell Apple how to start the windows boot process on a Mac but the fact that windows already compiles to ARM binaries and runs well means that the hard part for MS is fine.
The REAL hard part is Apple writing windows drivers. Particularly graphics drivers. Apple’s written drivers for their home grown input devices, though. So we’ll see how long this takes.

 

[coolbreeze2]

This is what I find strange. I was running Windows 10 via Parallels 16 flawlessly. I received an invitation from MS to upgrade free to Windows 11 via Insider Program. So I did using Parallels 16. Windows 11 was running flawlessly inside my Parallels 16 for several days. Then all on the same day, I receive notice that a update to Parallels is available, Parallels announces that it's working on making Parallels compatible with Windows 11, after after updating Parallels, mine stop working flawlessly. I'm suspicious that Parallels plans take advantage of the situation and state a new version Parallels is needed and it costs $$$$$. Despite, the current version was working flawlessly. I pay for Parallels via yearly subscription; so, it won't change for me unless Parallels increases the yearly fee (and they might). However, folks who paid a one-time cost, watch out! They are going to say your version won't work with Windows 11 and you must buy a new version. That is rubbish because it was working flawlessly.

 

[gank41]

This is what I find strange. I was running Windows 10 via Parallels 16 flawlessly. I received an invitation from MS to upgrade free to Windows 11 via Insider Program. So I did using Parallels 16. Windows 11 was running flawlessly inside my Parallels 16 for several days. Then the very same day Parallels announces that it's working on making Parallels compatible with Windows 11, mine stop working flawlessly. I'm suspicious that Parallels plans take advantage of the situation and state a new version Parallels is needed and it costs $$$$$. Despite, the current version was working flawlessly. I pay for Parallels via yearly subscription; so, it won't change for me unless Parallels increases the yearly fee (and they might). However, folks who paid a one-time cost, watch out! They are going to say your version won't work with Windows 11 and you must buy a new version. That is rubbish because it was working flawlessly.

What's changed for you? My situation is similar in that I've been running Windows 10 and offered the Windows 11 update, and still everything's been great. I remember seeing Parallels Tools update, too, once I was at the Desktop. Although there's been no update to the Parallels App itself, that I've received anyway.

 

[coolbreeze2]

What's changed for you? My situation is similar in that I've been running Windows 10 and offered the Windows 11 update, and still everything's been great. I remember seeing Parallels Tools update, too, once I was at the Desktop. Although there's been no update to the Parallels App itself, that I've received anyway.

I had an update and that made it stop working. Some of my apps crash or won't load. They were working fine until updated.

 

[MaryRal]

Weird. I must have deleted it.

Why, met an issue?

 

[MaryRal]

I had an update and that made it stop working. Some of my apps crash or won't load. They were working fine until updated.

You mean update to the latest build 17.0.1.?

 

[gank41]

I know this thread is about Parallels, but FWIW, I was able to get Windows 10 (along with Windows XP & Windows 2000) running in UTM. Looks like a recent update fixed some of my issues from a while ago. I’m going to try the latest Windows 11 Preview build today and see what the Architecture lists it as. In that app you can specify the CPU type, so it might be possible to fool Windows into thinking it’s legit. Or maybe not.

 

[bobcomer]

Why, met an issue?

No clue, it's been too long, but knowing it can't work and I never used bootcamp on my intel Macs, I probably just deleted it. In the mean time I put Monterey on my MBA and now I've backed back down to big sur, so it's hardly the same anymore.